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Ptsd Relastionship Early Shut Out

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Your just sounds like the whole situation would be exhausting to you, both mentally, emotionally, spiritually, and it doesn't sound like you have a partner, but rather a patient/therapist relationship of some sick form, which is the last thing you need, and maybe the long term commitment to the situation you presented will only lead you down a path of unhappiness dissatisfaction emptiness and loneliness, but the whole rescue thing I understand, it also sounds like you should go out with other girls, no need in putting off your life while this person figures out what she wants or feels or thinks, are you getting out of the relationship as much as your putting into it? Whatever your heart tells you to do thought try to be true to your heart
 
Got all the closure I'm going to get last night. She's going through recovery and can't be involved with anyone. It's emotionally draining for her to deal with loving someone else when she can't love herself first. I should have let a sleeping dog lie instead of pushing this hard for closure. It's kind of a lose-lose right now.
 
As a PTSD sufferer with Major Anxiety & Depression, I think this women is a bit of a predator.
I suggest after reading the entire episode in this thread that she & probably her family are a complete waste of your time, energy & potentially your freedom. Read = RESTRAINING Order threats..
Even having had one which expires/lapses or, is recalled by the Court because you have to get it off your back YEARS from now, playing & paying the 'he said/she said' fiascos lawyers delight in, will drive you nuts, broke (money) & potentially ruin dozens of career options. Get a grip on that coming up every single time you despair over a one month episode in your whole life ahead of you. Every form you have to fill in, interview you go to for promotion, or questions asked about relating to "Have you ever been etc., where you will have to say or write YES. No potential employer is going to ask you the questions about how your heart was broken by a f/b predator who had what she told you was PTSD etc, etc. No, rightly or wrongly, you will not go far with trying to justify that hurdle.

And try to prevent an Order being made against you in the first instance... she is way ahead of the game there because you wrote apologises for what, telling her YOU'RE SORRY. What more do you think could be misconstrued & manipulated than that?
I read how puzzled, distressed, angry, disappointed, heart broken, in love, out of love, seeking justification for her behavior, wanting to learn about what rules of engagement you could try, then did try, despite being cautioned to call it a day & get back into your own life & issues too. What a mess!

She has more issues than I've had broken shoe laces! You are never going to be truly able to trust this women again, & IMHO nor should you. Don't go there in your head, don't be tempted to 'win' her back, nothing, not cards, messages NOTHING. She has done enough damage & has the propensity to do far more. If she tries to contact you, do the best thing for her & you & shut her down immediately.

Grow your hair long again; start smoking again, date women again or none of the above... it's YOUR life!

Close bloody f/b down for a month or more, that will drive you out into the real world for sure.

When you are over f/b withdrawal, don't go looking for love/life...whatever, ever again on it.

Get out in the real world with your family & friends & your dogs, work hard, play hard & stop wasting your youth & God given talents.

So you have abandonment issues. You know this, go find yourself a good shrink & spill your guts exploring WHY after your last relationship, you walk right into another terrible experience that has opened up wounds never quite healed I suspect?

Sometimes we come across people who are just not worth fighting for, or against. It's a fact of life & by the way, you say well you're a bit selfish. I don't see that as a comprehensively bad trait. Every living species must have some of this to survive. So long as you don't become a parasite in being so, I reckon that a healthy dose of selfishness is necessary. Eg. It stops you from forgetting about yourself, your needs, your boundaries & limits. It does not mean you go out & prey on others for what you don't rightfully need & which they can I'll afford to give or have taken from them.It's more akin to telling someone, 'No I can't come out tonight, I have to wash my dogs, maybe we can do blah next ...(when it suits you) If they don't like that, maybe they don't appreciate you have set a boundary & your beautiful dogs NEED your care. After all we know they (your dogs) will not jump in the tub & wash themselves..

Maybe your dogs might lead you to a lovely woman.. Dogs are very good at introducing people to other like minded people.. & scrutinizing them. They are also wonderful at healing their owners broken hearts, after all who slobbers you with UNCONDITIONAL love, regardless of anything when you get home.

When you do get depressed about who, what, this women was or really wasn't, come back here & explore through the experiences & writings of others how they have coped with living with or suffering from PTSD & the many carers who love them but have learned the hard realities of how much they can & cannot do; how they set boundaries & limits; how they need to be 'selfish' & find some kind of respite for their own mental health.

The right one is out there for you. Seek some assistance from your doctor if you do not move beyond this. fear of abandonment & you keep waking up.
Like everybody else here, don't shut yourself down over this poor excuse of a woman woman.

How pathetic is she.
Be strong, move on. I am sure one day when you do find love, it will happen. gently & you will not have to get a haircut.
 
Amazing post. And thank you for taking the time to read everything. I know it's lengthy.

I agree. It was a cowardly, self-serving crusade on her part. a 27 year-old invoking her parents' involvement in the monster that she created is unbelievably twisted and spoiled. It's almost like she knows how to drive someone crazy and played it by the book step by step. I didn't have the heart to express that; and I don't think it's helping her sleep any better after the fact. And I don't really care. I wish her the best.... I guess? More importantly, I wish me the best. And I deserve the attention from myself.
 
My eyes are welling up because this girl is basically me except... hetero (maybe).

I'm not sure what to say or where to start but literally everything that's been said is.. i've done these things and am currently doing these things and I'm so sad because I keep hurting people and I don't want to but I think unconsciously I am always looking for stability and take it when I find it but it hurts people and I KNOW this cognitively damnit but I just.. I need help :(
 
iav321 if you are doing this, then get help. Hard as it is push yourself to get help. You cannot just sit there have a sob then go on wreaking carnage on other peoples lives.

You can stop, you can get help to stop. Just be brave enough to face up to it & do some hard work with a Doctor who will help, otherwise you are going to bring misery on yourself & others, when you could get some control & find other ways of dealing with your illnesses. Joining this forum would be a positive step.
 
I think there is another way of looking at this other than your ex-girlfriend from a month long relationship being a toxic personality disordered PTSD sufferer who is irrationally lashing out at you.

She may or may not be all of those things. We have no way to fully know for sure. She isn't here to tell us her side of the story.

I do want to propose a different viewpoint on these events, one that focuses on what we do know, which is your side of the story and how you describe your own actions.

In summary, I think this is a messy breakup, and that your focus needs to be on yourself and your actions in this, and less on patholigizing her actions. There continue to be a lot of red flags that your boundaries, both internal and external boundaries, are not very solid and that you were possibly very enmeshed with her and continue to understandably struggle with being separate from her.

I could be completely off the map as well, and if I am, then please ignore or disregard this post.

From my perspective, it seems hard for you to separate from her. I don't mean just the break up, but for you to be able to tolerate you and her having different opinions and perspectives. If she disagrees with you, you seem to only be able to tolerate this if she is a horrible crazy person who is being irrational. It is only then that you do seem to be able to hold your own space and not need her to agree with you or understand you as much. Outside of that, her opinions being separate and different from yours, seems like a hard thing for you to tolerate. You seek agreement and understanding between the two of you, and avoid difference of opinion, at all costs of any boundaries between you and her. It comes across as being very enmeshed. This comes up again and again in what you describe about you.

In healthy relationships, people are going to disagree from time to time. Reasonable people can have very different opinions and still be reasonable people.

It is true that a lot of what you describe about her is confusing and chaotic behavior, but frankly, to play devils advocate for a moment, even many outright abusive people describe their ex's, ones that they victimized, as crazy and so unreasonable and that the victims were actually the predators. They sometimes go to great lengths to explain and prove to this people how crazy their ex was.

I don't think either you or her are predators. I don't really get the sense that you are out to get her, or that she is out to get you. I could be wrong on this.

I think this was more likely an enmeshed toxic relationship between two people who dated for short time and who are now hurting each other and lashing out at each other in the middle of the pain of breaking up.

I don't think you are being abusive, not by what you describe. Not at all. However, by your own descriptions of your own actions her, I am actually much more concerned about you than I am about her. (Plus, she isn't posting, so I can't really give her any feedback anyhow. You can't really change her, only yourself. So I'm going to focus on you.)

You dated for a month. You described her as if she was a perfect fit from the start, and yet you didn't really know her. Very quickly, her ways of doing things became your ways of doing things.

You don't really describe a relationship of either of you tolerating disagreements or differing opinions from each other on haircuts or anything else very well. She demanded, you complied. You were both trying to change or be changed by the other person. Not be two separate people getting to know each other.

You didn't maintain boundaries (saying yes to things you would have otherwise said no to.) She was critical and demanding, wanting you to become whatever she wants you to be, instead of getting to know as your own person, and you getting to know her as her own person. While some of the changes she pushes for in you are good, you describe them as being things she is very much responsible for, forgetting that you made a choice to make the changes she wanted. You did the work. Not her. You.

Once again, there is no clear boundary between what is you, and what is her.

Then she breaks up with you. You "push" contact with her, wanting an explanation, reasons. She gave you reasons. They were her reasons, not yours. This may feel like I am stating the obvious, but please try to follow me.

You judged the reasons as "piss poor" and you stated that because they were "piss poor" you ignored her clear boundaries to not contact her. You pushed to the point she threatened to get a restraining order. You wanted your ways to be her ways at almost all costs. Enmeshment. No boundaries between you and her.

You wanted her to understand you, and you to understand her. This isn't a bad thing in and of itself. What is problematic is that you sought for you and her to have the same understanding of each other at the cost of respecting her boundary with you, her separateness from you. You didn't tolerate her having a separate decision from you about contact. A different understanding or decisions about the relationship. You had a very strong reaction to her being separate from you.

In most cases, the second someone in the US says stop contacting me to an ex-partner, any further contact after that could be considered and charged as criminal harassment. But you contacted her anyhow, risking even a restraining order or worse, because you wanted an explanation that was acceptable to you, one that was not "piss poor."

You felt that she was not giving you reasonable answers, and you pushed for what you deemed would be better ones. Basically, you wanted her reasons and toe to be the same. Again, no room for separateness.

I have broken up with partners and given what they felt were crappy reasons. Partners have broken up with me and given me what I thought was crappy reasons. Was it a sign of something wrong with them or me? Maybe, maybe not. It sort of doesn't matter. They or I were done with the relationship, and needed or wanted the relationship to end. Explanations help, but they are not required by either party. If they are not given, I have no right to harass the other party into giving me one.

I know you probably know this intellectually, but your behavior as you describe it doesn't show a lot of respect for this.

It is extremely rare for partners to agree upon and fully understand each other when they break up. Lack of understanding each other is part of why many people break up in the first place, PTSD or not.

It's a very idealized view of dating relationships to expect anything but what feels like to you "piss poor" reasons for someone breaking up with you.

When one person wants to stay in a dating relationship, and the other person does not, the person that wants to have the relationship continue usually thinks the other person is breaking up with them is doing it for all the wrong reasons.... That's common.

She probably felt her reasons were very good reasons to break up.

But it seems like you have this idealized standard that her reasons should be what you deem as good reasons, and if they are not, you are going to just keep pushing for her to understand you more, or explain yourself more, or push for her to explain herself more.So that she is like you, in agreement with you, to the point of enmeshment again, where "no" does not really mean anything. Where you and her are not separate.

You came to the forum to better understand what happened here, and the possible role PTSD played in this or not. This is a good thing to reach out for outside feedback and support.

However, there is a limit to the forum, a boundary. (A handful of boundaries and limits actually.)

We can't get into her head, no matter how much you describe her. People here can give thoughts and suggestions, and speak from our experiences, but really, she is the only one who can explain her own actions. You describe her making her need for space clear, again and again, for the sake of her own recovery.

You didn't really give her much space for this for very long. Instead, you contacted her yet again. You risked a lot of legal entanglement, and triggering her and you both, to explain yourself, to have her understand that you really are sorry for running over her boundary... while you do the same thing you are apologizing for - running over her request that you stop contacting her.

You failed to show any respect for her need to be separate and have different view points from you.

She does send a lot of text messages back, which refer to issues that you didn't describe before, and perhaps her writings to you could be someone in the middle of problem related to mental health... or this could be a pissed off crabby ex who is ranting about anything and everything to an ex boyfriend that she is fed up with.

We can't really know for sure, we don't have her side of the story, and even then we could never really know for sure.

But we do have your side of the story. You posted her texts here. Not yours, hers. You don't have her permission to do this and out of your need/desire to get an explanation/be understood at all costs, you went outside of the limits and boundaries of the forum. When you signed up on the forum you agreed to certain limits and boundaries, but in your need to defend, explain, understand, perhaps make her look worse, you went over the boundaries again. Publishing such texts without permission of the author goes over the line, invasive of her privacy and risking even possible copyright issues as they were her writings, not yours.

As a single incident, it's not the worst mistake. It happens. But in the larger pattern of behavior, it is quite concerning. It's another sign of you struggling to separate what is hers and what is yours.

Moving on past the publishing of her texts, to the interaction between you and her, you called what happened a lose-lose situation. It was.

And I don't see you take a lot of responsibility to address YOUR mistakes. You instead focus on hers, and she becomes almost demonized by the way you describe her.

It seems like a pattern that she and you must agree or else she is bad and toxic and etc.

All this, and other reasons, lead me to be very concerned about your lack of respect of boundaries, your struggle to be able to tolerate being different from her, disagreeing with her, not allowing her to have a different opinion from you about events that occurred without also demonizing her.

I could be totally wrong too in my perspective, goodness knows I have a million issues of my own, any of which could be coloring my own perspective. I completely own this.

My hope is simply that perhaps this different viewpoint might be some food for thought and give you pause to look at your actions further. There is a pattern here that might be helpful for you to look at in your own behavior.

It is my guess that a huge part of what is happening comes down to your abandonment/separation anxiety and pain that is related to the earlier relationship you wrote about here - and even maybe other earlier relationships. I think you might have a preoccupied attachment pattern and that's it's really hard to handle her disagreeing with you, being different in perspective and opinion from you, as a result of that. It something that can change, but only if you have the courage to focus on you now. Separate from whatever is happening with her.

Again, I could also totally be off the map entirely, in which case, feel free to disagree with me and/or disregard this post in part or whole. Really, I won't be offended. I accept that you may likely have a different and possibly much more accurate view of this very difficult breakup. You are you. Not me. You can disagree with me without me being a bad person. This is why disagreement alone doesn't offend me.

Between you and her, disagreement or difference of opinion with each other doesn't seem like something either of you tolerated well with each other.
 
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I don't want to be a jerk, but I have to agree too with @Justmehere 's post, especially after 1 month. One month is very little, & beyond lust sounds like a chaotic relationship. Love needs respect, equality, caring.

I was/am a bit leery @Boosted135i that you never addressed what she accused you of lying of (yes, I respect you said the letter). But her texts refer to more lying than that.
 
@Boosted135i the replies after my thoughts are very important. And you sort of said it yourself but regardless of every thing; we all have this sort of almost endorphin rush when a potential love of our life makes a move towards us. For me, being so ill, right now a date would make me vomit & you be left wondering where the hell did she go? What did I do/say etc. And you would likely say WTF & get angry/upset etc. I am a complete basket case which I am trying to get out of with professional help. I have one friend on this forum but nobody in the real world. I am totally isolated physically from people in the real world. In one sense that makes me feel safe but it also terrifies me.

So, to get back to you, understand this:
  • For the benefit of your own future prospects of being able to date & be out in the real world with all the prospective ladies that you may fall in love or lust over get some PROFESSIONAL help. This hopefully will unravel your own issues of abandonment & if you are dropped again for whatever reason it is not going to be a meltdown... as this has been for you. Not saying any break up is easy or painless ever, but some good solid treatment for yourself will make you less vulnerable & probably more open to finding dating/relationships more fun &,less exhausting at the least.
  • This particular relationship is OVER - no doors left open, get rid of any romantic texts, pics, letters, wipe her out of your f/b stuff, ditch her & your email's that you are holding onto & probably reading or mooning over. Her ph no & anyone associated with her. You know what I mean...Move on!
  • NEVER go near or contact her again in any way. Because she is so ill, to save her own sanity, if you do try contact with her or, vice versa EXPECT a world of legal action that will follow you for the rest of your LIFE. And don't try checking up on her vicariously through a third party because under most jurisdictions that is deemed to be Contact. I had to apply & was granted a life time Restraining Order against someone who could not accept NO. He mortgaged his house to get rid of it but it remains in place till I die. I carry it with me. Don't let this happen to you.
  • In the end it is a moot point over whoever is right or wrong; good or bad. Did or didn't do something. Etc..
  • Concentrate on making yourself happy, healthy & getting some help to ride these & other life events that might come your way. It's going to take some really honest hard work to do it. But I can see you are capable.
Go forth young man & make the most of your life. Learn from these experiences & go have some fun!
 
I don't want to be a jerk, but I have to agree too with @Justmehere 's post, especiall...

I "lied" about deleting a facebook post and sending a letter. That's what caught me 12 hours of verbal lashings. When I say "lied" I mean I have a job that demands a lot out of me and I've got her texting me all day because her schedule is empty. I overlooked a text she sent me asking me to delete a facebook picture and I deleted another one by accident. I got lambasted for 12 hours. From noon until midnight over being a "liar".
 
I think there is another way of looking at this other than your ex-girlfriend from a month long relat...

Eh. You're kind of in the ballpark. I definitely agree that I handle breakups poorly. I could have not acted entitled to closure and pushed her when she told me to F off. I just have a hard time processing all the things that were said prior, her pushing so hard for a relationship, and then the 180. I'm not the crazy, come over unannounced, follow you around type. I don't want to be mistaken for someone that engages in that type of behavior. I tolerated our differences and did everything I could to make her feel safe, comfortable, etc. It wasn't as if my word had to be gospel, I just wanted to be treated like someone who treated her well. Her and I didn't have disagreements, and I tolerated much of her behavior as odd as it was.

Listen, this girl found me out of the blue, brought me into her life, INSISTED that we be in a relationship, and then completely slides off the map, and then threatens me for contacting her. And I'm being looked at funny for feeling troubled?

** Those who are suffers, please do not take offense to what I'm about to say as it is from the most objective point of view I can muster.

From what I've read by those that are suffers regarding my feelings behaviors after the fact, I sense very little sense of self awareness of the impact that they have on supporters. Which is to say that their condition trumps the pain that they are inflicting on their SO. I've had a wine glass thrown at me, had her disappear into a parking lot with a stranger to call me and say come find me if you don't want me to get assaulted, berated for hours at a time, told that I'm loved, told that I'm good for recovery, only to be threatened with legal action after the fact for trying to talk out a reasonable conclusion. In the span of a month. That behavior is inexcusable. And to not take responsibility for any of it and then put the onus on me as if I am the root of her issues is not going to be bought by any rational person. What she's going through is hell, I saw a glimpse of it. But to take zero responsibility for one's actions is poor form; and does a number on someone (me). If she was so fragile in the first place, she would have at least (I hope) recognized this and realized that a relationship would only bring more hardship than positive outcomes. I'd be an idiot to believe that this is the first time she's pulled this stunt.

Should have noticed the red flags. Should have ended it. I'm wiser now. Experience is the best teacher. I'm done thinking about it and psychoanalyzing it. Talking about it only keeps her ghost around and I'm done with thinking about her and am moving forward.
 
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