Sgt Tim Poe On America's Got Talent...

[IraqVet86]

Has anyone else been following this story? This guy has really got me angry!

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...-got-talent-contestant-claimed-combat-injury/

Not sure why this bothers me so much. Everyone at work is talking about how much of a faker and a puss-bag this guy is. It makes me want to go outside and burn my Purple Heart license plates.
Friggin POG.

 

[T^3]

Before getting your undies in a bunch. (I will be happy to eat crow later on...I'm good at that)

It's on fox news.

How many of us have experienced or known someone who's records have been lost, "cleaned" or things just went missing? Just scan through the forum it's a theme here.

How many of us know of fellow soldiers injured in combat that did not received the purple heart? All it takes is you being on the commanders shit list. A female infantry serving in the mog was shrapped by an rpg while pting by the back embassy wall and no purple heart for her. (pissed plenty of us off) Actually what she got, was in trouble for following the policy of wearing pt clothing while pting and not full gear.

How many of us telling our stories would Fox news find a loop hole in?
For me, if I did that, I could see the headlines. Female Airman ventran contestant on AGT claimed combat PTSD when women in the military didn't serve in combat.

How many of us struggle even to get the VA to believe us? Now he has to make the world believe him...that's bs. I get tired and frustrated with the VA, I couldn't take on the world.

Who knows he could be someone here on our forum. How would you feel if you went out and then came to your safe place and read unfavorable thing about you?

 

[IraqVet86]

I would not feel very great about people talking shit about me. However... I spotted the story in the local news paper a few days back and simply used FOX News link to give everyone a chance to see it for themselves. The story has been on almost every major news group for a few days.
Also, the nail in the coffin for this guy in my opinion is the dozen or so people that were in his Unit and claimed BS... AND the MN National Guard released an official statement that it was BS.

You have many valid points T^3, and I DEFINITELY get pissed having to try to prove myself to the VA, but that is something that almost every Vet has to deal with as far as I understand.
Final Point: If we are both talking about the US Army, there is NO female Infantry. However your friend should have gotten an ARCOM for simply doing PT overseas unlike so many people who got sloppy while on combat tours.

 

[T^3]

I would not feel very great about people talking shit about me. However... I spotted the story in the local news paper a few days back and simply used FOX News link to give everyone a chance to see it for themselves. The story has been on almost every major news group for a few days.
Also, the nail in the coffin for this guy in my opinion is the dozen or so people that were in his Unit and claimed BS... AND the MN National Guard released an official statement that it was BS.

You have many valid points T^3, and I DEFINITELY get pissed having to try to prove myself to the VA, but that is something that almost every Vet has to deal with as far as I understand.
Final Point: If we are both talking about the US Army, there is NO female Infantry. However your friend should have gotten an ARCOM for simply doing PT overseas unlike so many people who got sloppy while on combat tours.

She was army, assigned to the infantry there, under their command, went on the same patrols, did the same job, ...her mos back in the states was not infantry but she was doing that job cause they needed her, she was good and she deserves that honor, like many other woman there, we did our technical jobs but usually ended up doing a whole bunch of cr&p that was not our MOS and things that we lacked prior training for.
We did what was needed. The girl that got frag was infantry pting with the infantry guys, she was all but on paper. The guys got ph, she didn't exist.
I was disarming throwing sticks over there, marking locations of un-exploded sh*t but I wasn't eod by mos. Just because it's not on paper didn't stop you from learning how to survive. I was awarded my crab by the eod commander and I wore it proudly over there. I did my job of being the finance officer at the px and other unimaginables since the place was so short handed, especially when the daily death rate went up, lacked any type of real heavy armor or fire power, drinking water rationing in effect, lived under constant fear of being overrun by the masses and torn apart limb from limb, and ammo shortage. Everybody did everything and anything to stay alive, even if that meant that we didn't exist in the jobs that we did to live.
We did not have the luxury of only wearing the one hat that was on paper as our mos. You didn't last long there if you did that. I could only imagine, please stop shooting at me, don't kill me, I'm a girl, my country says women aren't supposed to be in combat, my paperwork says that I'm non-combat, can you talk to my boss back in the states so he can explain what my job is.
You needed to disarm something you did it, you needed to catch rats you did it, you needed to protect the perimeter you did it, you get called on to go on a convoy you did it.

I said I'd eat crow if I'm wrong seems that the picture aired of him in uniform was of someone else, nom, nom...

 

[jamz]

She was army, assigned to the infantry there, under their command, went on the same patrols, did the same job, ...her mos back in the states was not infantry but she was doing that job cause they needed her, she was good and she deserves that honor, like many other woman there, we did our technical jobs but usually ended up doing a whole bunch of cr&p that was not our MOS and things that we lacked prior training for.
We did what was needed. The girl that got frag was infantry pting with the infantry guys, she was all but on paper. The guys got ph, she didn't exist.
I was disarming throwing sticks over there, marking locations of un-exploded sh*t but I wasn't eod by mos. Just because it's not on paper didn't stop you from learning how to survive. I was awarded my crab by the eod commander and I wore it proudly over there. I did my job of being the finance officer at the px and other unimaginables since the place was so short handed, especially when the daily death rate went up, lacked any type of real heavy armor or fire power, drinking water rationing in effect, lived under constant fear of being overrun by the masses and torn apart limb from limb, and ammo shortage. Everybody did everything and anything to stay alive, even if that meant that we didn't exist in the jobs that we did to live.
We did not have the luxury of only wearing the one hat that was on paper as our mos. You didn't last long there if you did that. I could only imagine, please stop shooting at me, don't kill me, I'm a girl, my country says women aren't supposed to be in combat, my paperwork says that I'm non-combat, can you talk to my boss back in the states so he can explain what my job is.
You needed to disarm something you did it, you needed to catch rats you did it, you needed to protect the perimeter you did it, you get called on to go on a convoy you did it.

I said I'd eat crow if I'm wrong seems that the picture aired of him in uniform was of someone else, nom, nom...

Well said T...
We(Cdns) always marvelled at that, the fact that US pers were so particular in their one specific MOS.
We understand that the size of your military allows you to be trade qualified in specific areas, which guaranteed you the rank as specialist. Canadian soldiers will learn at least 2 or 3 TQ's while still a Private. For myself Machine Gunners/Recce/Comms. For the simple fact that we have so few soldiers that each must become a rifleman, comms operator, medic, gunner, driver, mortars etc to even reach a rank where they become section commanders.

We never received a medal for our service in Somalia. The Canadian Airborne Battlegroup was not granted a medal for our service. The military and gov't at the time were looking to lobb off some heads, and our citizens were so horrorfied by the shit that happened over there, that the military said no medals. The Governor General had to make a request on behalf of us Vets to the Queen to award us a medal. We were given a medal direct fr Queen Elizabeth II honouring our service. I got mine in the mail in 98.

As for combat service or getting wounded or ANY commendations... none what so ever.

In Afghanistan during the first operations back in 2001/02 our snipers were attached to the US, I believe it may have been the 101st Airborne. During one incident, some Americans came under attack by the Taliban. One of our snipers engaged from almost 2.5kms(1 and a half miles) away killing two Taliban. This was the longest sniper kill recorded, it may have been beat by now? However it beat the record set by a young Marine in Vietnam. His shot helped the US soldiers who had become trapped during this engagement.
The US military awarded our snipers the Bronze Star. Our wonderful gov't at the time refused this honour fr your military to our soldiers saying it was "Un-Canadian for us to be recognized in this light". Another example as to how our pathetic citizens and govt see Canadian soldiers as a bunch of flag waving, pin giving boy scouts and not the trained combatants we are trained to be. With pressure fr our military leaders and some of our citizens our snipers were awarded the medals. Only bad thing... three of the six snipers told the military they had it and got out.
In Canada you cant be a good soldier cause you got some left wing a-holes who know nothing about war griping about us being too violent, or "American". Go put some more granola on your yogurt you f*cking pansies.

So I hear ya and feel your pain

 

[Anglesachse]

..............We(Cdns) always marvelled at that, the fact that US pers were so particular in their one specific MOS.
We understand that the size of your military allows you to be trade qualified in specific areas, which guaranteed you the rank as specialist. Canadian soldiers will learn at least 2 or 3 TQ's while still a Private. For myself Machine Gunners/Recce/Comms. For the simple fact that we have so few soldiers that each must become a rifleman, comms operator, medic, gunner, driver, mortars etc to even reach a rank where they become section commanders.........

Nowt worse than someone who is only able to do one job. Slows the whole battlefield up. Guys on the ground need to be flexible and cover a multitude of tasks.

Fewer feet on the ground covering a couple of jobs is allways better than draging some one with you just because he might be needed but otherwise is a waste of resorces

..............We never received a medal for our service in Somalia. The Canadian Airborne Battlegroup was not granted a medal for our service. The military and gov't at the time were looking to lobb off some heads, and our citizens were so horrorfied by the shit that happened over there, that the military said no medals. The Governor General had to make a request on behalf of us Vets to the Queen to award us a medal. We were given a medal direct fr Queen Elizabeth II honouring our service. I got mine in the mail in 98..................

All over this site, you will read threads from people who don`t even want the scrap metal they have. I don`t need a medal to say "Hey,f*ck me I was in Combat"
"Ohh realy? so how many children did you kill?"
"Er, none!"
"Oh, so how many civvies did you kill"
"Er, none!"

If you go to war to collect medals, you are a f*cking idiot. There are better reasons to want to do the shit job that we do.

..............As for combat service or getting wounded or ANY commendations... none what so ever...................

Never understood why anybody would want a medal for that either.
"Gee Granpa, What was that medal for?"
"Why I got that when for when I realy f*cked up and nearly cost my multiple their lives because they had to carry my sorry ass out of the firing line to save my life"

..............In Canada you cant be a good soldier cause you got some left wing a-holes who know nothing about war griping about us being too violent, or "American". Go put some more granola on your yogurt you f*cking pansies...................

Too Violent. Hmm yeah we are, do you realy think you could do the job if you weren`t? Of course we are violent it is all part and parcel of the training and the mind set. So thinking about it, it is only reasonable that some tree hugging f*cking idiot doesn`t get it.

 

[IraqVet86]

Good points Angle, EXCEPT:
I was wounded because of a cherry LT, not because I F*cked up. I know you were speaking figuratively, but I got promoted because of that piece of scrap-metal. Why? Because I survived and was able to carry my own busted ass off the field.
Too many people who have that medal were wounded because of someone else bullshit decision.

 

[T^3]

All over this site, you will read threads from people who don`t even want the scrap metal they have. I don`t need a medal to say "Hey,f*ck me I was in Combat"
"Ohh realy? so how many children did you kill?"
"Er, none!"
"Oh, so how many civvies did you kill"
"Er, none!"

If you go to war to collect medals, you are a f*cking idiot. There are better reasons to want to do the shit job that we do.

Never understood why anybody would want a medal for that either.
"Gee Granpa, What was that medal for?"
"Why I got that when for when I realy f*cked up and nearly cost my multiple their lives because they had to carry my sorry ass out of the firing line to save my life"

It's not the physical medal per se, it's more along the line of being denied that you ever existed or that you are inferior to the others around you.

My grandfather one day showed me his small box of medals. When he pulled out his dsc, he told me that he did something really stupid but that he wasn't embarrassed but honored that he was given one. He was humble.

Do you like being treated differently then the other people around you?

Every one is hungry, been doing the same thing all day, (existing rules on cookie distribution exist) and everyone but you was given a cookie, and you see that some that got the cookies don't want theirs, and then your told it's because your a girl or your canadian that you didn't get the cookie. (which in not in the rules). The ones that got the cookies are then mean to the ones that didn't get cookies that spoke up, telling them that they really shouldn't want cookies because it's no good. If you had kids, would you want your child to be the one that doesn't get a cookie?

Spend some time looking into Jane Elliot's work about the blue-eyed brown-eyed experiment. Maybe it will open up your eyes to the biotry of the concept and the prejudice we have been exposed to cause we don't exist. We shouldn't want to be recognized to be honored to be respected, cause some who have been recognized don't like it. Give me the f*king opportunity to say, yeah I got a cookie and it does taste bad.
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Being denied existence and self worth sucks.

 

[IraqVet86]

This thread is not about anyone being treated differently because they are a POG or female or a certain nationality.

It is about an A**HOLE who stole someone's combat experience and used it for personal gain. There is a law against this sort of thing here in America, and it is called the Stolen Valor Act.
Was hoping to discuss the Stolen Valor Act, not "Equal Opportunity".

 

[jamz]

Nowt worse than someone who is only able to do one job. Slows the whole battlefield up. Guys on the ground need to be flexible and cover a multitude of tasks.

Fewer feet on the ground covering a couple of jobs is allways better than draging some one with you just because he might be needed but otherwise is a waste of resorces



All over this site, you will read threads from people who don`t even want the scrap metal they have. I don`t need a medal to say "Hey,f*ck me I was in Combat"
"Ohh realy? so how many children did you kill?"
"Er, none!"
"Oh, so how many civvies did you kill"
"Er, none!"

If you go to war to collect medals, you are a f*cking idiot. There are better reasons to want to do the shit job that we do.



Never understood why anybody would want a medal for that either.
"Gee Granpa, What was that medal for?"
"Why I got that when for when I realy f*cked up and nearly cost my multiple their lives because they had to carry my sorry ass out of the firing line to save my life"



Too Violent. Hmm yeah we are, do you realy think you could do the job if you weren`t? Of course we are violent it is all part and parcel of the training and the mind set. So thinking about it, it is only reasonable that some tree hugging f*cking idiot doesn`t get it.

Well said brother,

I appreciate your honest answer my friend.
I agree medals should not be the primary incentive why one soldier, sailor, aircrew or Marine serves.
Unfortunately, like most things in life, personal recognition is foremost to some.
From my personal experience, many officer or NCO who were only concerned for their only self promotion were sought out and dealt with. However some get through and yes some very unfortunate events may occur where
a self centred soldier will sacrifice the lives of their men/women for their own personal gain. Like regular civvy life it is an unfortunate part of military life.
I see a need in recognizing what soldiers do and where they do it.
It does set an example for others to follow or not follow. Also it allows others to inquire as to what that soldier has done and where. 99.9% of the soldiers I served with were concerned less about the medals than they were anything else on our mission. We never loss sight of our objective and that was to do our job, at whatever cost.
I believe my medals have given me something to reflect on and to be proud of, not as a means of promoting myself or getting laid. But if I get laid... bonus!haha I believe there areenough ethos within soldiering that allows us to carry on our duties as we are ordered to do without vanity; Never Leave a Fallen Brother/Sister behind, Never Pass a Fault, Always Lead the Way.

Saying that I believe that the soldier being produced over the last 20 some odd yrs have had to become more of a thinking soldier as well as a doing soldier. With advancement in technology and improvements in battle skills we have had to adapt to the changing face of war. And a soldier that can think on their feet is more affective than one who must always follow. Canada has had to do a lot of resturcturing over this time. Gone is the Cold War and the battle tacticxs minvolved with this style of conflict and today we seem to be involved with secular insurgencies while we provide needed security for needed reconstruction and stability. A soldier who knows too much is never a bad thing.

Most Americans I have met are down to earth humble and warm people. Usually accepting of others values like any other nation. I have somewhat been vocal at times that when things happen in this world that it is the US that is called on to help. I don't believe the Americans have to always answer the beckoning call on their own and other nations should at times ante up to the best of their abilities. However due to your military strength and stance on foreign policy there will always be some people as the aggressors. Whether good or bad it seems to be the role that the US has fallen into. And it is at times unfortunate that the States takes the flack. While the US military provides the bulk of its troops for most deployments many nations contribute. However those other nations at times do very little and expect the US to shoulder most of the load. I do not think that is right and if you as a nation are going assist the US then again... ante up.

 

[jamz]

This thread is not about anyone being treated differently because they are a POG or female or a certain nationality.

It is about an A**HOLE who stole someone's combat experience and used it for personal gain. There is a law against this sort of thing here in America, and it is called the Stolen Valor Act.
Was hoping to discuss the Stolen Valor Act, not "Equal Opportunity".

Im sorry to hear that my friend... but like some things in life there will always be those who steal the thunder for their own personal gain.
It is good to see that in the States they have the Stolen Valour Act.
It shows that there is enough concern to right the wrongs.

I know within some countries that many civilians would be indifferent to such acts even occuring.
Where a soldier will be insensed as to such cowardly acts occuring some civvies may just say "What's the big deal?"
Well it is a big deal according to historical accuracy and given the proper credit to where it is due.
Many of those soldiers that are awarded for their acts go on to become ideal soldiers and leaders.
And that is why it is important to preserve this accuracy, and instating this Act is an excellent idea.

 

[reddevil1111]

Medals are meaningless. Bits of tin. I would give any and every award I ever recived if it could be traded for my friends who didnt make it back.
Pride. Strong word. I had a ton of pride and wanted a string of medals when I joined. That desire faded pretty fast when I saw the price people paid for tin.
Not getting down on people who love thier medals or anything....just saying my .02

Telling lies about your service is a dirty low down rotten thing to do. It casts a stain on the lives of the dead and wounded who DId do something. If you feel lacking that much reinlist and go do it.

People who want to get into a pissing contest with me about what they did and how they attacked a regiment with nothing but a spork can kiss my ass. I let them crow on and feel big. I tell them I was a cook and they usually f*ck off after a few minutes. Its not worth the hot air and I was no Rambo. I did my job and tried to do it well. Thats all. I think if I could have done it a bit better...or if I had trained a few a bit harder then I might have saved a few lives. Hell most of the guys that got out are dead from suicide anyway. Shit is just not worth it.

I dont wear my tin I got rid of it. I just cant explain this better....once I was wounded I saw I was a used up peice of meat and everything was turned upside down. Values change and I know I changed a lot. I went from a meat eating tiger to a tired old man.