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Shinseki Resigns After Va Scandal
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I just stumbled upon this thread. Needless to say its begun to make my blood boil again. A few days ago I had found a document about Gulf War Ilness. Since I have been dealing with symptoms I feel are relevant so excuse my bias. This is one thing that's stuck out at me. (Dammit I still cant include a link!) Here are the goo gle search keywords if interested.
"Research Advisory Committee on Gulf War Veterans’ Illnesses Findings and Recommendations June 19, 2012"
My issues are being blamed on age. "Doc I feel bad." Doc says "Where?" I say "All over." Doc says "Well your 43, it'll get worse!" But now...it's now Gulf War Related all the sudden. It's depression. Take these pills. f*ck you! Now I feel worse!
The people at the top levels all need fired. And yes, as already mentioned there should be a grade for each VA visit. I know my civilian doctor sends me a survey via email after my visits. It's pretty in depth too. The VA doesn't give a shit how well they are doing. Just look at the motivation when you go to the clinics or hospitals. Question...is it a prerequisite for all government workers to act like asses? Are the VA's standard response to inflect upon the patient that you are creating quite the inconvenience for them? The character Roz from the movie Monsters Inc. comes to mind.
Sorry for my long dissertation. We are all being very vocal. But no one is listening civilians don't care for about 10 seconds then it's whatever else special interest item that's trending.
Why the hell wasn't a special program written into the Affordable Health Care Act for vets? Cause they don't give a rat's ass about us!
I find it funny the looks I get when I explain to my private health care doctor that I have to pay for my services at the VA for issues that the U.S. Government created. And then I'm frowned at when I tell them I am filing a claim. I then feel the animosity build as if I am seeking a freebie or handout. I could give a shit about the compensation. I just want treated dammit and fixed if possible.
This is one of the reasons I will never allow my son or daughter to serve their country. Not because of lack of patriotism. But because our country doesn't serve us!
"Research Advisory Committee on Gulf War Veterans’ Illnesses Findings and Recommendations June 19, 2012"
- The VA Gulf War research budget has been cut by two-thirds for FY2013, from $15.0 to $4.86 million. Of the $15.0 million budgeted and approved by the Secretary and Congress for FY2012, only $4.98 million was spent. The two-thirds cut was never discussed with the Research Advisory Committee, established by Congress to provide independent advice to the Secretary on proposed Gulf War health research plans [Appendix A].
My issues are being blamed on age. "Doc I feel bad." Doc says "Where?" I say "All over." Doc says "Well your 43, it'll get worse!" But now...it's now Gulf War Related all the sudden. It's depression. Take these pills. f*ck you! Now I feel worse!
The people at the top levels all need fired. And yes, as already mentioned there should be a grade for each VA visit. I know my civilian doctor sends me a survey via email after my visits. It's pretty in depth too. The VA doesn't give a shit how well they are doing. Just look at the motivation when you go to the clinics or hospitals. Question...is it a prerequisite for all government workers to act like asses? Are the VA's standard response to inflect upon the patient that you are creating quite the inconvenience for them? The character Roz from the movie Monsters Inc. comes to mind.
Sorry for my long dissertation. We are all being very vocal. But no one is listening civilians don't care for about 10 seconds then it's whatever else special interest item that's trending.
Why the hell wasn't a special program written into the Affordable Health Care Act for vets? Cause they don't give a rat's ass about us!
I find it funny the looks I get when I explain to my private health care doctor that I have to pay for my services at the VA for issues that the U.S. Government created. And then I'm frowned at when I tell them I am filing a claim. I then feel the animosity build as if I am seeking a freebie or handout. I could give a shit about the compensation. I just want treated dammit and fixed if possible.
This is one of the reasons I will never allow my son or daughter to serve their country. Not because of lack of patriotism. But because our country doesn't serve us!
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One more thing I want to clarify. I in no way feel like I am entitled. I have worked my ass off all my life to have what I currently have. and I know I volunteered and knew the possibilities. But...I also have the mantra that if you are going to play, then you gotta pay. These wars make a lotta people a lotta money except the ones doing all the work. It pisses me off when I see millions billions wasted on overseas programs that are designed to fail yet we can't efficiently provide to our veterans.
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I cant seem to shake this off. Maybe this will be my last rant! I doubt it.
The US is OK with paying contractors gobs of money to help fight these wars. Many to do the same job that our women and men are trained to do (but at a fraction of the price). I know an ex cop who was paid 160K tax free to go train Iraqi police officers boy that worked out well didn't it?). He worked for Dyncorp. He injured his back, was medically retired. The State Department gives him better medical coverage and disability than veterans get. Oh he also got a good severance. It was a corporate severance. But since Dyncorp is primarily funded via government contracts the taxpayers (you and me) are floating that bill since they just pass the costs onto the customer (government).
Sorry to get so radical. Just pisses me the F off.
The US is OK with paying contractors gobs of money to help fight these wars. Many to do the same job that our women and men are trained to do (but at a fraction of the price). I know an ex cop who was paid 160K tax free to go train Iraqi police officers boy that worked out well didn't it?). He worked for Dyncorp. He injured his back, was medically retired. The State Department gives him better medical coverage and disability than veterans get. Oh he also got a good severance. It was a corporate severance. But since Dyncorp is primarily funded via government contracts the taxpayers (you and me) are floating that bill since they just pass the costs onto the customer (government).
Sorry to get so radical. Just pisses me the F off.
I hadn't even thought about that. Your right!
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Hey... I went private after I got out. Although that term didn't exist back then. Then, you got caught, you were likely to lose your citizenship. But I didn't know what else the f*ck to do. Couldn't go back to the USMC, couldn't wait tables, clueless about PTSD (I'd been dx'd but that meant keep me out in the field as much as possible, not seek treatment)...and a friend hands me a stack of cash to run back down to South America with him? Sure. Why the f*ck not? Viva la resistance. Same shit, same side, better pay, right?
True...there are a few outfits (like State, not that head appreciate that description, I'm sure) which will treat you fairly. Most of the time.
And if you're linked up with someone good, then yeah. I've felt so bad for all my brothers and sisters who have no f*cking say in anything, and get shit training, and shit gear... While I'm sporting Armani (Google Armani of bullet proof clothing, and of you're ever in Columbia, pick some up. Esp if you're ever considering being an EMT in Dubai or some shit. They don't list all their shit online anymore, but dude's crazy. Sheets, for f*cks sake. Tshirts that will stop a .22. Civvies looking gear that will stop anything short of a rocket. Granted your insides will be jelly, but you'll be pretty on the outside. Really, though, most of the stuff is top notch useful. And the owner? Don't know if he still does it, but he used to let you shoot him as a product demo. Chaseus.)
Most of em?
Shit, son. It really is whoever out crazies the most wins.
I've been left behind (all of us, unit just writ off) more times than I can count. f*cking starving.
And they take your passport before you touch down in country, so getting out of country is a stone bitch if they do leave you.
This was pre-Iraq.
I've got friends (post 911) in who, yeah, 100 or 200k for 6mo. Which is actually kind of shit pay. Pre911 and all of us PTSD'ers needing to stay busy/flooded market, it was more like 10k a week in most of the stuff I did. But I digress.
But my friends post 911? At the end of your contract, you get dumped outside the green zone if you don't renew. Shut the f*ck up. That's one whole helluva lot worse than just being left to fend for yourself, and if you want to get paid make your way home. That's f*cking murder.
My stuff was all gig work. A few weeks here, a few there. Sometimes just a long weekend. Xfil. Ha. I couldn't say "long weekend" without getting sick for a helluva long time.I know guys who were stuck in the Middle East 7+ years with no f*cking way out, no breaks, no nothing. Just playing roulette. Going seriously batshit. And if they skipped, then they're in breech of contract and lose their cash /or are unhireable. Most of the saner ones said f*ck it, and bailed, and caught a ride to Sri Lanka or somewhere far far away. Because few newbies are smart enough to get direct deposit. And if hey ask they don't get the job. Nope. It's a big f*cking advance, and then the rest upon completion. Meaning never.
I think I know 2 people still alive/ playing that particular game.
Both hooked up with State.
Don't get me wrong, there are good companies out there. Theres an air wing based out of Portland that has (had, at least) a f*cking stellar reputation for taking care of their people. State has a good rep. Some UK groups.
Just don't grass is greener on the private side.
For every person taken care of like your friend... There are hundreds, maybe thousands, left to rot.
And yeah, you can make your bank if you make it out.
But you're also buying your own gear (and paying replacement cost for lost/used gear in some of these f*cktwat fly by nights. Not just your own armor, ammo, and weapons, but vehicles. Know how much a CH46 costs? A lot. Never sign to be a principle in someone else's company, it means you'll owe millions), paying your own medical, and more than half the time coming out skint at the end of it.
That part doesn't get a lot of attention.
There are good companies. Most aren't.
Most are just a way to suicide while feeling like you're doing something useful and maybe earn a few bucks for your family. If you're smart & lucky enough to have a good contract, and a good company, that will actually pony up and pay your family.
Christ. This is probably all massive over share. But I talk about it about never.
True...there are a few outfits (like State, not that head appreciate that description, I'm sure) which will treat you fairly. Most of the time.
And if you're linked up with someone good, then yeah. I've felt so bad for all my brothers and sisters who have no f*cking say in anything, and get shit training, and shit gear... While I'm sporting Armani (Google Armani of bullet proof clothing, and of you're ever in Columbia, pick some up. Esp if you're ever considering being an EMT in Dubai or some shit. They don't list all their shit online anymore, but dude's crazy. Sheets, for f*cks sake. Tshirts that will stop a .22. Civvies looking gear that will stop anything short of a rocket. Granted your insides will be jelly, but you'll be pretty on the outside. Really, though, most of the stuff is top notch useful. And the owner? Don't know if he still does it, but he used to let you shoot him as a product demo. Chaseus.)
Most of em?
Shit, son. It really is whoever out crazies the most wins.
I've been left behind (all of us, unit just writ off) more times than I can count. f*cking starving.
And they take your passport before you touch down in country, so getting out of country is a stone bitch if they do leave you.
This was pre-Iraq.
I've got friends (post 911) in who, yeah, 100 or 200k for 6mo. Which is actually kind of shit pay. Pre911 and all of us PTSD'ers needing to stay busy/flooded market, it was more like 10k a week in most of the stuff I did. But I digress.
But my friends post 911? At the end of your contract, you get dumped outside the green zone if you don't renew. Shut the f*ck up. That's one whole helluva lot worse than just being left to fend for yourself, and if you want to get paid make your way home. That's f*cking murder.
My stuff was all gig work. A few weeks here, a few there. Sometimes just a long weekend. Xfil. Ha. I couldn't say "long weekend" without getting sick for a helluva long time.I know guys who were stuck in the Middle East 7+ years with no f*cking way out, no breaks, no nothing. Just playing roulette. Going seriously batshit. And if they skipped, then they're in breech of contract and lose their cash /or are unhireable. Most of the saner ones said f*ck it, and bailed, and caught a ride to Sri Lanka or somewhere far far away. Because few newbies are smart enough to get direct deposit. And if hey ask they don't get the job. Nope. It's a big f*cking advance, and then the rest upon completion. Meaning never.
I think I know 2 people still alive/ playing that particular game.
Both hooked up with State.
Don't get me wrong, there are good companies out there. Theres an air wing based out of Portland that has (had, at least) a f*cking stellar reputation for taking care of their people. State has a good rep. Some UK groups.
Just don't grass is greener on the private side.
For every person taken care of like your friend... There are hundreds, maybe thousands, left to rot.
And yeah, you can make your bank if you make it out.
But you're also buying your own gear (and paying replacement cost for lost/used gear in some of these f*cktwat fly by nights. Not just your own armor, ammo, and weapons, but vehicles. Know how much a CH46 costs? A lot. Never sign to be a principle in someone else's company, it means you'll owe millions), paying your own medical, and more than half the time coming out skint at the end of it.
That part doesn't get a lot of attention.
There are good companies. Most aren't.
Most are just a way to suicide while feeling like you're doing something useful and maybe earn a few bucks for your family. If you're smart & lucky enough to have a good contract, and a good company, that will actually pony up and pay your family.
Christ. This is probably all massive over share. But I talk about it about never.
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Well, I'm not surprised it has gone this way. Our next wars will be fought by private armies. Corporate. They broke and burnt out the military in all the last big pushes for peace and prosperity that nobody wants (We keep bombing them, but nobody wants to accept democracy, wtf. lets bomb them again)
Yes. The solution to conscription was a professional military....we've killed that with multiple deployments..now it's time for phase three...private armies. What happens when a private army goes rogue????? Hmmm. Take a look at your late roman empire and their "private" armies. Or even the British Empire Napoleonic war era armies. Fiefdoms and Dutch East India company soldiers. Oh the joy.
I'm willing to bet Haliburton has a corporate subsidiary of soldiers.
And then the sad truth. We country servers are dinosaurs. Dust bin of history. Nobody gives a f*ck. The VA just gets paid to put up a facade or speed us to our death.
So it goes.
Yes. The solution to conscription was a professional military....we've killed that with multiple deployments..now it's time for phase three...private armies. What happens when a private army goes rogue????? Hmmm. Take a look at your late roman empire and their "private" armies. Or even the British Empire Napoleonic war era armies. Fiefdoms and Dutch East India company soldiers. Oh the joy.
I'm willing to bet Haliburton has a corporate subsidiary of soldiers.
And then the sad truth. We country servers are dinosaurs. Dust bin of history. Nobody gives a f*ck. The VA just gets paid to put up a facade or speed us to our death.
So it goes.
Friday- Please don't take it like I was dissin the private work. I nearly too a gig for Iraq to engineer some telecom and IT infrastructure stuff. 1/4 mil+ gig plus top security protection all around me. Only reason I didn't was my wife finally got pregnant after 5 years of trying. I was days from signing on the dotted line. I was just trying to make the point we she'll out a lot of money to the war machine and still not accomplish anything. But some corporations are getting very rich!
Wagon- I have to agree with you 100% on everything.
Wagon- I have to agree with you 100% on everything.
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Nah. If anything I'm the one dissing it. Seems like I'm of 2 minds about everything these days, though. Love/Hate. But my worlds were split. I never worked with private people while I was active / didn't even know it existed. So it was all new to me. So I see people lusting after the same job better pay (which can be true) and my breaks go on full stop. Waaaaaaait a minute! No no no. It's seriously crazy town, not that simple, major pitfalls, holy f*ck, be careful. Same token, if I didn't have my son, as old broken and crazy as I am... I'd be back. Hell. Half the time even with my son I'm still thinking about it. 2 minds.
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