Sir Winston Churchill Saw It Coming.

[OldDoorGunner]

Winston Churchill 1899."Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world."

This is amazing.

Even more amazing is that this hasn't been published long before now.

CHURCHILL ON ISLAM Unbelievable, but the speech below was written in 1899... (check The River War). The attached short speech from Winston Churchill, was delivered by him in 1899 when he was a young soldier and journalist.

It probably sets out the current views of many, but expresses in the wonderful Churchillian turn of phrase and use of the English language, of which he was a past master. Sir Winston Churchill was, without doubt, one of the greatest men of the late 19th and 20th centuries.He was a brave young soldier, a brilliant journalist, an extraordinary politician and statesman, a great war leader and British Prime Minister, to whom the Western world must be forever in his debt.

He was a prophet in his own time. He died on 24th January 1965, at the grand old age of 90 and, after a lifetime of service to his country, was accorded a State funeral.

HERE IS THE SPEECH:"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome ...

"Sir Winston Churchill; (Source: The River War, first edition, Vol II, pages 248-250 London).Churchill saw it coming......

 

[dutchiedelta]

After this he went on to promote eugenics. Extending the limits of what was feeble and weak to other things than ethnic background.
Interesting chap Churchill.
All in favor of voters as long as they were male, well to do and from a certain background.
He learned a lot from his opponents when he was younger.

 

[Friday]

LOL... That was sure the pot calling the kettle black... As Muslim women in Egypt were granted far more rights by law than Christian women in England were in the 1890s (or any time prior).

(Right to property, divorce, alimony, child support, child custody -and not having her children threatened- inheritance, & autonomy are just some of the rights laid out for women in the Qu'ran either outright denied to christian women or at the discretion of christian husbands and fathers.)

As well as the more historic Crusades, Reformation, Colonization of the New World & Indies. Hell. I've read letters from Cromwell recounting the impaling of over 100,000 Irish infants as being the ideal way of "pacifying" their Catholic parents. Round up every baby and child under 2 in every village and town one comes to, impale them in front of their parents, and the parents either break and lose the will to fight, or go mad and attack and are thus easily dispatched.

<Chuckling>. Proselytizing and violent, indeed.

My dear Mr. Churchill seems to have been just as caught off guard by the mad Mahdi & his followers (and Gordon's tragic failure to simply 'scatter the rabble' and rout the 'heathen riffraff') as everyone else. No one believed Gordon could fail (or do anything else but triumph in ease), so relief wasn't sent to him in time by the time Woolsey arrived Gordon had been annihilated in Khartoum.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdist_War

 

[JarHed]

I'm just another guy here on this site but I've gotta' say a couple of things. I'd ask everyone to try and avoid the racism and racial hatred posts. They truly serve no purpose other than to stir the PTSD pot.

I grew up as a jewish kid in an irish/italian neighborhood so I learned about racism at a very early age. So, it's something that's stuck with me my whole life. I would never say that I'm not prejudiced because that would be a lie. But I will say that I try not to hate a person just because they're a member of a particular group. It's often a very difficult thing to do.

Even while in VietNam, I never hated my enemy. Something I learned along the way. Hate is an unbalancing emotion and once you start down that slippery slope there's no return. I can tell you that I saw just as much stuff and just as many atrocities committed by both sides. I know many here are recent returnees and the feeling and thoughts about what, who and where they were are still very fresh in they're minds.

We often fear and then hate what we don't understand. We can make this place what we want it to be; for good or not. I've always thought of it as a place to find support, help, information and a place to vent without judgement. Kinda' want those things to always remain here.

Just food for thought this morning folks. And as always, just my own personal opinions and observations.

Jar

 

[OldDoorGunner]

Sorry Jar, I did not post this as a racism and racial hatred post. I did however post a part of history, what Churchill said was said 115 years go......With that in mind, we, the Human race have not changed all that much. Racism and racial hatred is, I am sorry to say alive and well today. Looking back on history it's always been there.....How many Wars have been started because of it?

In what Churchill said "Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world." I belive this to be true, but it's the religion and the people that belive in it and follow it, that make them stand out with racism and racial hatred. They force you to make a choice, join Islam or die!!! At this point who are they to give the human race that choice? We can call this racism and racial hatred, but I would call it what it realy is EVIL.......

Like you, my wife also learned about racism at a very early age, because she is dark in color. I served in Ft. Rucker Ala in (1970/72) for a year and a half, I learned about racism and racial hatred in the South US, even in the Army. I was on the receiving end of it, as I had friends that were black....From that I learned to Hate racism.......

J R

 

[JarHed]

. Racism and racial hatred is, I am sorry to say alive and well today. Looking back on history it's always been there.....How many Wars have been started because of it?

Sure, I totally agree with that. And I'm sure it won't change either. Don't believe in religion mostly due to all of them being the same with;' believe in this one all the other's are wrong' idealogy.

Not lookin' to change the world, maybe just my little corner, under my rock.

 

[Sarg]

I was raised to hate. I fought it. I was a military brat and we had every race. Early on, they segregated the blacks, but that became so cumbersome, that it slowly, eventually dissipated. People still hated, it just wasn't so openly discussed. By the time I hit the Air Force, one couldn't afford to hate. We had black propmen, hispanic instrument men, asian tire changers. You want to voice your hate to someone that holds your life in their hands?

I am here today because of the diligence of a rainbow of colors, heritages and ancestry.

I have found equipoise, I hate the hate.

Sarg

 

[SteveMD]

ODG:

The problem with history in the ME is where you take a slice out.

The Ottoman Empire had ground the "Arabs" to paste for centuries, and pushed them to the desert. Vagabond. Homeless. Rootless. Nomadic. "Arab" was a derogatory term with that meaning. "Kurd" was an empirical term for "Hillbillies."

Those Iraqis that stayed in the towns and villages were chattel under Ottoman rule of these outlying "colonies." (Interestingly, before the Modern Ottomans, Iraq was mostly ruled by the Mamluks (Chechens with bureaucratic training?).

That's when Gertie, Winnie and TE came along after defeating the Ottomans (the last butchers who slaughtered Gypsies, Anatolians, Chaldeans, and Kurds). Winnie and Bomber Harris came up with the brilliant (and cost efficient) idea of air bombing the Kurds with gas. Hard for folks living under a history of such heavy boots on the neck to appear to Westerners as anything but uncivilized, brutish, evil---less than human.

Before Saddam came to the fore (and before the Iran Iraq War), however, Iraq was becoming the most advanced, well-educated, well-medicated, and artistic ME nation. A very fast and successful transition from "stone age" peasants and serfs under the Ottomans to prosperity in only two or three generations. (Then there was Saddam, and the Iraq Iran War, and a few more decades of butchery...)

But we never saw that prospering Iraq, which like so many things, blew away in the clay desert. History!?!

Steve