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Structural Dissociation?

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But it feels like a different child part. So where did it come from? If it isn't possible to split further, where do these new parts come from? Or have they been there all along and only come to light when we begin to heal? Is it possible to integrate them with the other parts?
If I could just throw in my two cents worth, I think the idea was that there are no further ANP splits Sun. Multiple ANP splits, as I recall, cause DID whereas with DDNOS it is 1 ANP and multiple EP's. I believe the EP's can be created anywhere along the line. Someone please correct me if I am mistaken. I believe they are formed from way back (I think this is mainly about developmental trauma).

As we heal we become more aware of the separateness of the EP's and how they affect us. We integrate them when we make them feel safe and a necessary part of the 'system'. I find as well that sometimes EP's can trigger other EP's. So for instance, my teenage EP (when the car died), came up and then, when I finished ranting and knew the rant wasn't helping, my 2 year old want to die EP clicked in. Then a 'beloved' EP came into play when my friend came to take me out for the evening. All emotion. Not very functional. That is the role of the ANP. I feel sometimes that that is why we are so very 'good, responsible, high functioning, etc' We don't have the emotional component that many do when ANP is up front. But when the EP's come out to play, look out! Very little logic there (for me anyway).
 
Not sure if that makes sense or not, but that is my strategy.
Yes! Beautiful, perfect sense, thank you so much. Now I know that I already know my higher self. I've received a precious gift today, thank you @shimmerz, that was so helpful! So if we can be in touch with the higher self, and work to expand the situations in which we are in touch with it, maybe gradually we can gain a sense of self.

There are other circumstances where I think I am attuned to my higher self. Any time I use my intuition, especially to help others. Some kinds of dreaming. Really being present for another person. Gardening, sometimes. I thought that in those circumstances I was still being an empty shell and connecting to some other energy. But there's really a "me" in there somewhere?? Or part of me, anyway? That's awesome news!
 
And, thinking about this some more, it refutes any claims that working on ourselves is selfish. My higher self is by far the most wise, loving part of me. Way more than the ANPs that get things done. Those are harder, stiffer, more robotic, judgemental, territorial.

My cat is liking something about this too. She doesn't usually insist on walking all over my keyboard like this! :wtf:
 
My higher self is by far the most wise, loving part of me. Way more than the ANPs that get things done.
Yes. I couldn't figure out why my T and all healers kept telling me to get 'out of my head'. My logical and analytical self had gotten me so far in this world. It was the measure and means of my success. It was frightening as hell letting go of my ANP because I didn't know where else to go as I knew my other modes were super emotional. When I learned to attach to my higher self, things seemed to fall into place.

I learned this when I used visualization to get rid of my terrors, which I just couldn't manage for years, no matter what I did. I built a safe place and met my higher self there. Then my dreams became more of a conversation between my 'struggling self' and my higher self, with my higher self teaching me things. Then sleeping became a way of healing rather than a time of terror. Not for everyone...but for me it was a huge turning point.
 
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I'm still working through this thread. Getting there slowly but surely.

In yet another middle of the night flash of insight, processing this took me to a new level of understanding some of my own challenges. This is part of my thought process, hope it helps someone. Posting this is putting myself out on a limb but I'm on a drive to get through this mess my life has become.

@shimmerz writes about spending most of her life in an ANP, then losing that completely for a long time and missing the high-functioning adult part that felt like herself.

For me it's been quite different, and I'm just starting to put my finger on why.

I spend much more of my time in the EPs. This is a new concept for me so I'll have to pay attention for a while to tell how many I have. I used the plural in another post, but in fact think I have only one ANP, but will pay attention to that too. The ANP is the one I go into to function out in the world, but it's a lot of work for me to maintain. It certainly doesn't feel like "me." It's stressful keeping it out for any length of time. I would say this is part of why I have not been so highly successful in the work and social worlds: it's just a huge amount of effort to stay in the ANP.

I'm not sure why my particular circumstances made the EPs the safest for me. More time in a highly functional ANP would have certainly gotten me different results. It might have something to do with the role my family system wants me to play. Still thinking about that one.

I have an EP that is about five years old that comes out when anyone shows a sexual interest in me. This is why I have never been in a normal relationship, and until I can change this, I'm not even trying to be (edited to add: not that I'm trying to be in an abnormal relationship, either! :rolleyes:). It's very obvious. The last time this happened I was in a situation where it was hard to get away. I did say no, but standing by this man, who was not physically much bigger than me, I felt clearly how much bigger and older and more mature he seemed than me, how small and vulnerable I was. I was depending on him for a ride home. When I got there, I had to comfort myself by wrapping up in a soft blanket, drinking warm milk and watching cartoons.:wtf:

I can only let my guard down with men if they are obviously not interested (gay, committed, celibate). Otherwise, honestly I feel five years old. They get to do what they want. They are the adults. I am small, defenseless, and can only protect myself by running (edited to add: or freezing).

I have only been in one sexual relationship, with my daughter's father. It was far from a normal relationship, and not only because he turned out to be an abusive narcissist. I didn't seek to be in a relationship, and many things about him were obviously wrong. He simply pursued and insisted until I gave in. He pursued, I ran, he followed, he gave me time to think he'd stopped pursuing, he'd pursue again, and so on. My giving in was like a small child rolling over and giving up, and eventually I was hooked by his attention. The first time I gave in to him and let him have sex with me, I lay there unmoving, sobbing. I couldn't have said why.

Getting close enough to a man for anything resembling a normal relationship seems so far out of my league right now, I don't know if I'll ever get there.

That wasn't as hard to write as I expected it to be. I need to work through this.
 
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Wow...why am I not getting notifications about updates to this thread?! I've missed a lot!

I just came back to post this little tidbit that came in my email today. I liked it:

Wisdom teaching: The more we allow ourselves to feel the pain of our self-abandonment, the Essential qualities that we have been longing for begin to arise in us. The unfinished business of childhood begins to resolve itself in our psyches and our hearts begin to heal. (Understanding the Enneagram, 365)
 
Wow...why am I not getting notifications about updates to this thread?! I've missed a lot!
That has happened to me in the past with threads I was following, too.

I'm still less than halfway through this thread, but wanted to bring up one more thing, Thinking about it I realized I do have more than one adult part. There is one that arrived, or came to my attention anyway, a few years ago, a protector that takes care of my child parts when they are upset. It wasn't a trauma split like in DID though. It was more like a gift I was given in a time of need, but still different from my higher self. Is there anything in the theory that explains this, or is this a different phenomenon?

(I was going to quote @shimmerz' post about there not being further ANP splits, but hit the post reply button before I thought of it and now can't.)
 
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But it feels like a different child part. So where did it come from? If it isn't possible to split further, where do these new parts come from? Or have they been there all along and only come to light when we begin to heal? Is it possible to integrate them with the other parts?

Sorry, seems I had more than one question!

It could be the same child part manifesting differently? (And where was that line of 'personalities are complex on their own. They have their own subconsciousness' line when one needs it. Earlier in the thread I think.)
Secondly, it is possible to split further.
Yes to your third question. Also possible to integrate and then see they don't stay that way anyway. It's not a linear process very much, just like with any healing.

Does this help any? (I've got a head camper that isn't a friend of communicating sensitive things online at all. I never know how vague about this is too vague. So happy to clarify & just saying I don't wish to be misleading, but I know how distant I can sound even to people I'm close to when we get purpled like this.)
 
Okay, this is what I am feeling. Like I am a fly stuck in a cobweb.
So I will focus on my little girl who wants to die right now. She needs the most care. She needs to know where she is staying. Needs to know I can keep her safe. I haven't quite figured out how I will do that yet but she is who I need to help right now. Focus.....

Would it help you to think of her as a simply child that you happened to meet, not a you? Is the difficulty in the fact she is you and you feel thrown into the same issues and same powerless while dealing with her?
I relate on not knowing at first how to deal with them. But wanted to congratulate you on recognizing her & intending to treat her kindly to start with. (I have difficulty with that one with younger parts, almost no exceptions. It takes me a long while to recognize them as people. So I'm happy to see when other folk got that recognition right from the scratch. One less issue in the way. Goodie.)
 
Going on a tangent here, and I am intending to revisit earlier posts and reply. I am starting to see how much my "normal patterns" are old stuff. I am really struggling with self care at the moment. (11 AM and forgot to eat breakfast, worked all morning cleaning the kitchen...) If I don't have routines, it doesn't happen reliably. And even then I can easily forget..... It is not that no one cared about my hair and teeth and food and clothes when I was a kid - they just didn't have time or attention for ME - and... somehow it seems to have rubbed off. When my ANP is on holiday (which she appears to be now, or just dragging in a serious way, ineffective pretty much sums up how I've felt for the last week or so) it is not that I am BAD to myself particularly (people around me were always "nice") just... don't manage to DO much of anything about anything. It is... perplexing and crazy making. How come some days I am a whirlwind and get a ton of things done, and other days (like yesterday) I am a half hour late to the one thing I had to do, and managed only to bring in the laundry that had been hanging outside since the morning before????? Neglect. Am I acting out neglect? Is that what this is?

Oscillating between effective and totally useless is .... :wtf::bawling::grumpy::banghead::poop:
 
There's a chance to see 'totally useless' as a time to refill to get that effective. Spoon issue and energy distribution issue, instead of value. Not that it is comforting mucho.

But hey. Oscillation is movement. In my book? Movement is always good.
 
How come some days I am a whirlwind and get a ton of things done, and other days (like yesterday) I am a half hour late to the one thing I had to do, and managed only to bring in the laundry that had been hanging outside since the morning before????? Neglect. Am I acting out neglect? Is that what this is?
Answer: PTSD.

I'm sorry you're feeling ineffective. That is so hard for the ANP(s)! Do you suppose the feelings are coming from ANP beating on your EP(s)? Can you ask it/him/her to provide you with some space to allow the EP to not DO anything? To just hang out and be. Maybe that's what s/he (EP) needs. To not have to DO anything...to not have to be responsible for a bit. To play, rest, look at the sky...And to not feel like s/he's wrong for that? Is there something frightening about not DOING anything about anything? Can you give her the space and permission?

Thinking of you this evening. :hug: Perhaps you can be as kind and understanding to your parts as you are to all of us here on the forum?
 
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