News The Big Holes In Trump's Policies.

[Anarchy]

Mods, please feel free to move or to combine with JMH's Trump thread.

Will Trump introducing import tarriffs, make you richer or poorer?
find out in 3 minutes

 

[Anarchy]

Ron Paul, who's actually very hot on economics,
explaining why he thinks people are being drawn to Trump and Bernie,

and why he thinks that they're mistaken.
Ron starts at 14:35

 

[Deleted member 28403]

The main thing I've noticed about stuff Trump is trying to put through. And the same goes for Ted Cruz, though a much bigger one for Trump. The economic minuses. The taxation system, from the first glimpse, would mean an even bigger pileup of debt.

In comparation that that both Bernia and Hillary seem like better option, though not necessarily good.

Just saying that from my short glimpse on politics. I normally do not look into them

 

[Anarchy]

Sealben, you might find this guy interesting, scroll down to his posts with videos in them from July.
http://predragrajsic.blogspot.co.uk/

 

[Justmehere]

Love this thread. The more voices and evidence shared by more people about Trump, the better for the US and the world.

I think Ron Paul is exactly right. Here's an article about his position for anyone who can't watch the video: http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/3/ron-paul-sanders-trump-similar-many-ways/

 

[Anarchy]

Trump as someone who'll support the little people against Wall Street and the elites?

his actions speak more convincingly than his words; he might be marginally less connected to the status quo than Killary is - but the difference is pretty marginal
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...n-partner-and-soros-employee-finance-chairman

Trump might have uttered some cheap words about the fed manipulating interest rates too low and as a result inflating unsustainable bubbles
and a few words about liking gold as a money that can't be over printed

so to that extent he shows a better understanding of the root cause of the current problems than the Bern has shown so far - but words are cheap.

 

[The Albatross]

For a conservative, Trump's picks don't bode well... and in interviews... he's not showing any care or interest in unifying the party... he's lurching left instead.

 

[scout86]

he's lurching left instead.

I'm not sure he's lurching anywhere. I think the only agenda he's got is being "special" and being president is what strikes him as the most special thing he can be. Until he decides he'd rather be Emperor For Life. Or King of the Known Universe. None of this is about the country or the people who are voting for him, are any particular set of principles. All of it is about him and how he wants to feel.

 

[The Albatross]

Considering he posed as a "reformed" dem/liberal/left... and is the presumptive nominee for the repub/conservative/right, I think "lurched left" is exactly right thanks. In my estimation he's a Manchurian candidate... and if this is a harbinger of the way of things... and a lib can be electable so far as "conservatives" or people who call themselves have it, well then. In my opinion he is a forerunner and hijacked the nomination by a lethal combination of deception, disingenuousness, and nationalist/populist rhetoric. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

 

[EveHarrington]

Not a criticism of this thread at all------but if we had a discussion of Trump's policies that DON'T have holes in them-----


~crickets chirping~



Sorry, I just had to say it, lol.

It's good to have a discussion like this one though so all of these holes can be brought to light :)

 

[Anarchy]

:roflmao::roflmao:
That's so true.

 

[Anarchy]

I'm going to appear like a complete hair splitting nit picker here.

The pertinent question is "Conservative of what [values, traditions, policies etc]?"

Back in the Gorbachev era, the BBC used to talk about "conservative members of the Soviet communist party".

In American terms there are at least two political meanings of "conservative"

There is the "old" conservative, characterised in the 20th century by support for free trade overseas and laissezfaire economics at home minimal government, and privacy self reliant responsibility for the individual. They were against entanglement in foreign politics alliances and foreign wars, and against the Hoover and FDR New Deals at home.
To characterise what they were "conservative of" It would probably be the laissez faire classical liberalism of the Jeffersonians (jeffersonians tended to be far more consistent than flippy floppy TJ was himself).

Then there are the almost polar opposite Neo-Cons
I suppose type examples of the neocons would be William F Buckley and his circle of fellow active and former CIA agents at National Review.
Buckley had been a follower of American individualist anarchist, Frank Chodorov, but soon reversed his beliefs, coming to believe instead . that laissez faire should be abandoned for the duration of the Cold War.
Buckley's circle included former Trotskyite senior editor James Burnham, and former high ranking American communist party member and senior editor Frank S Meyer (both fellow CIA agents).

Then there are people like William and Irving Kristol and Robert Kagan. I still couldn't tell you what parts of the philosophy of Leo Strauss found their way in there or why.

To summarise (or perhaps to caricature) the neocon beliefs;
There is a highly millenarian (actually post millenialist) belief in American (and in a looser sense trans atlantic) exceptionalism and destiny to police and lead the world (so much for the ideas of avoiding entangling foreign alliances).
This really comes out in Bush the dumber's and Cheney’s speechificating after 9/11, complete with talk of America's destiny to do god's will (apparently Bush dumber and Cheney know what that is!).

War is seen as virtuous, and necessary to bring out that exceptionalism, both in individuals and in the chosen nation.
Government, instead of minimal in the palaeo-con vision, needs to be big authoritarian and intrusive (Patriot act, militarised cops and NSA snooping are examples of this - Remember that Buckley, Burnham and Meyer had worked for the CIA )

What are the neo-cons conservative of?
It would seem to be the pre fascist war mongering and big intrusive government of the "progressive era"; of Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson and FDR, along with the extreme cronyism of that period too.

Buckley and his circle sought to purge the conservative movement of the small government anti war, "old right". People like John T Flynn and Ayn Rand, and groups such as the John Birch Society.