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Therapists I Could Live Without

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"I need to hear the other side"

oh..as if I didnt feel unbelived ENOUGH.

I also like how her answering machine says

"If you are in crisis please report to your nearest emergency facility" (OH YEAH, IM GONNA GO NOW).
Im sorry but when T's dont have emergency numbers it ticks me off. What makes them think Im going to want to check in somewhere. BLAH. Im going to want to disappear as discretely as possible. But maybe if something less drastic like...being able to call my T, were available to me..it would be different
 
Have just started a thread relevant to this:
[DLMURL]http://www.ptsdforum.org/threads/14766-Audition-The-Therapist[/DLMURL]
 
'death by therapist'; thank you Sunrise. :-)

Am lucky I lived through my two year ordeal with a Psychiatrist. The T I saw last (in another state) was working with another guy who's life he "had seriously messed up". I began with this shrink, knowing I had stress issues and serious trauma background. When I started I had never had a long term illness, never been to suicide prevention, had a job, good credit, no record, a girlfriend and a place to live.

Two years of working with this 'shrink' reversed all of that. He gave me huge doses of effexor and geodon, I became habituated. He never wrote a script and always gave me the meds as samples.

After the fact he would not give me my 'chart'. I gave up trying to sue the guy when I realized he was just a big pharma assasin/sadist. Protected by the system. When I described being tortured as a child he laughed.

The second year under this MD's "care" I began to have violent nausea and vommiting episodes with fever. I should have left but was habituated to the meds and my judgement was declining. I continued to demand he get me off the meds, he never answered. My nausea and vommiting got worse and worse; I could only hold down water sometimes, I had fever. I freaking demanded he get me off the meds - no reply. I started to slip into an alter state, my system was becoming ravaged by malnutrition and dehydration plus the "medication".

I basically drited into a state I have no memory of, the nasuea and vomiting persisted. I was now completely disabled, lying on my kitchen floor waiting to die. All kinds of shit went wrong. They put me in jail for a letter I wrote to my family - my family (white middle class sadists) pressed charges. I spent a week in jail and melted down big time.

Later, like 2004 maybe, I started working with a Trauma therapist who helped me a lot with emdr. I finally got out of that town and moved back to cali. A few months ago I learned that PTSD *is* an anxiety disorder (here) and am benefitting by writing my trauma history. I found out about Seroquel XR from a fisrt person contact, not from a T or a shrink; certain types find this med effective for anxiety. Seems to be helping, I get my script from my (female) MD.

I am a white male. I have been hurt, tortured, molested, attacked, beaten, humiliated and scapegoated mainly by white males, way more than anyone else. Women have been amazingly supportive. I have two middle age white male friends whom I trust, a ptsd email friend who is a 51 year old female. I know that my bias in this paragraph is absurd. I know there are many good guys out there too.

Still friends with 3 guys from high school. Very good people I was lucky to find early in life. I am lucky to have what I have. I believe that my doing symptom management and stuff, I can have some more fun recreating outdoors alone.

My trust issues are deep and sincere and not negotiable: there are too many "witchhunters", xenophobes and sadists running loose. If I am careful and maintain my boundaries, I can have some 'quality living'.

thanx for bumping this thread, Sunrise. :-)

gotta go cry a bunch now...
 
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to round out the above story, let me add:

After I got out of jail I checked myslef into a hospital and got detoxed off the "medication" : vommiting, passing out, mean staff - oh joy. After that I spent 8 months living in a homeless shelter, a broken man. Then I got a 'job" as a live-in staff at a mental home for 3 years, I used the time to get computer skills, digital art skills.

I don't wanna piss anyone off with my ethnic crap, I know its absurd: these are triggers and not completely rational. I would not go into a T's office or a psychiatrists office without (at least) a paralegal as witness - no way. Seen to much, my mind has been blown too many times. Driving is challenging now, never used to be, etc.

Alright, I'll leave it there. Thanks for letting me spill my guts. Helps.

James B.
 
Reading through this thread I have realized how lucky I've been.

My first therapist, back in 1985 maybe, was an idiot but not an abuser. IMO, she had seriously misunderstood the Freudian method. As several other's have described their therapists in this thread, she said almost nothing during the sessions. No feedback, no reaction, nothing but my talking aloud to a "brick wall".

Mind you, during that therapy I did work myself out of a relationship that wasn't working for me anymore (it was hard: I was still a lot in love, he was my really good friend and we had been together for over four years). But that was not in any way the therapist's doing, I did all that work myself. I left after about six months, when the ridiculousness of talking to someone who just wasn't saying Jack back became too much.

My second therapist I chose with care in 1990 (or 1991?). I wanted someone who would at least understand all my important languages - he or she did not need to speak all of them fluently, but I wanted to be heard in whatever language happened to come out. He or she also had to have at least some experience of working with adult survivors of child sexual abuse. I would have preferred a gay or bisexual therapist, but I realized that asking for that on top of my language and CSA requirements would be positioning myself for failure. I did find a woman, originally a sociologist, who had trained as a therapist, too. The weird thing is, that I remember still quite clearly what I though towards the end of our first evaluation session: "She will never let me close". And I chose her pretty much because of that. Someone to remind me of mother? Perhaps...

I worked with her for five years, and made great progress with my CSA issues. During this therapy I left my then-fiancé, mostly because he withdrew totally after I reacted angrily to how his mother verbally abused his father. He just could not handle the thought of criticizing a Mother (he was very, very uneasy about my conflict with my mother, even though my mom was actually and provably trying to steal money from me). Halfway through this therapy I met my husband (well, we were good friends since 1989, and became more than friends in 1994).

My current therapist is pretty new, we started working together this February. Her I chose firstly because I had followed the organization she works for for a longer time, and had (have still) really good vibes about it all. I went to an open house that they arranged after they moved (that was in January), and my good vibes got stronger. So I called, got an evaluation appointment with one of the senior people, and told her about being triggered by my mom growing older and, if possible, even more self-centered, and about my language needs. She had my current therapist in mind pretty straight off, and then we did a couple of evaluation sessions to see if we felt well suited. So far so good. I especially like the way she points out that having expectations of one's parents is normal - I do need to hear that, repeatedly.

Athena
 
WOW after reading this thread I have to admit that I was extremely shocked to see all these horrible encounters with therapists. That is scary, and I don't think I will ever look for a new therapist after I stop seeing this one. I got lucky on my first try and my therapist is pretty awesome.

My doctor however is a whole different story. I've been seeing her since I was like 5 years old, and she knew my dysfunctional family history, like my dads abusive nature, my brothers whole medical and psychiatric history, and even knew about the panic attacks and flashbacks I had back as a child. She never once looked into how to help me, told me I just had "night terrors".

Then I went to her after having my first flashback since I was a child, I thought I was hallucinating and going crazy, so I saw her that same day. I described it all in great detail. It was the last time I cried over this issue since that day because now I'm totally numb. She told me it was a normal panic attack. Then she asked about my financial issues and asked if I was depressed. HA! She couldn't even narrow it down to anxiety, instead she guessed depression.
 
Wow, flash backs to 2008 (when I was going through all the stuff with my T). It seems there is no end in sight to T horror stories. As I have been recovering these past 8 months with a good T, I frequently think of passing on some of the info I have learned or the steps I have taken to act on some of the crap that I went through.

Would any one be interested in a thread on how to advocate for themselves in these circumstances? Not sure how to do a blog or if I am "eligible" for that step yet... Maybe some insight on the secret lives of therapists.

I have been reporting the various things I experienced to agencies, organizations and people in the last three months and apparently I have ruffled a few feathers and made some people nervous. The truth is, in the States, there are abundant rules and laws protecting us we just have to figure out who, what, when and where to do what we need to do.

Gina
 
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Be careful whistle blowing on these people. They are virtually 'big pharma reps' plus, think how easily it would be to take someone with a mental health background, entrap or provoke, then be whisked out of sight, jail, inpatient.
I am not kidding. They may have friends in other...'places'. They got access to your social security number...

Wanted to add this regarding my upthread bile download, the stomach thing was Dx'ed as 'gastritis' completely inflamed stomach/upper intestine - due to acute stress. I was fried. I got some Emergen C and started Mega-dosing. The stuff did an amazing job killing the gastritis cold. No fooling. That is how important vitamin C is to my system (plus the other nutrients). I still use it daily, it'll take the edge off, or, if I drive to a meeting, I will dose with a little cup before going in.

This thread is off the hook awesome. Check it out, if I told ya what happened with my first MD (in this location, last six months) it would sound a lot like Mr. Shinkazoid's prototge, and all I freakin needed from this 'pretty boy' with the candy apple red Lexus with white leather upholstery, was a few x-rays and an MRI. I am not making this up.

Guess it's 'all good' in the name of making a buck. I know it's hard to trust your instincts, because we often get pissed at our T's, anyway. I got pissed at my first T. But its because he never gave me jack-sh*t in terms of anything concrete to go on...I need a goddamn blueprint after assesment. Not a touchy feely scene.
I don't give a damn for warm and fuzzy, I needed strong accurate guidance. Having said that, trust your instincts.
 
Ok, there's more...

Mr. Shrinkazoid, the subject of my main post, did in fact have another job. Any guesses? He was the shrink for the state Department of Vocational Rehabilitation (DVR). A state shrink. Guess where I got sent after being disabled year one? DVR.

Now, what was my job before? I had just wrapped a contract design engineer gig with the worlds largest outdoor company, having put together packages for over $30 million in new products (one design alone worth $10mil, a tent for walmart) and had racked up four utility patents, a design patent, and flown all over Asia, including two estensive trips deep into northern China. Disabled? Suffering from stress, yes. But a hell of a long way from being disabled before I met that clown. No stretch, I got it all in my portfolio. The live-in staff job I got after being homeless, was for the county, I got room, board and $175/month.

But now let's not forget the gossip mill. My "friends" at that time were all linked to the outdoor business. Guess where the stories of my illness, seeing a shrink, getting arrested and being homeless went? Why, these fine 'white boys' fed it right into my employment loop, of course! It destroyed my career. And all I was trying to do was take a sincere step to better performance and nothing more.
 
Hi,

The shrink that was assigned to me when I was admitted into the hospital was about a week away from retirement. During our last session he almost choked to death on a muffin. I had an anxiety attack lol
 
"Death by Therapist" - an afterword...

The digression and seeming need to "beat a dead horse" in my above posts is to underline my belief that the tendency to 'abuse of power, sadism and scapegoating' knows no bounds. It may be found at all levels of the socio-economic strata, in any age group, either gender and all ethnicities all over the world. You may find it at the best of employers, in places where you'd least expect it. So, don't be surprised if/when you do.

It is my belief that when Shirley Jackson wrote The Lottery, she was trying to transmute a human truth through the medium of prose fiction: that some people have a need to attach their fears to an object (person) and attempt to eliminate (vanquish) these fears by destroying that object (person or persons). Scapegoating goes way back in human history. It is an ugly thing, as is sadism, and its no surprise humanity has seemingly been running from fear of these truths for a long long time.

The above? Just my opinion.

If you feel you are under the care of someone who may not have your best intrerests in mind, my advice to back away. Quickly and quietly. It makes no sense to advise a possible adversary that you are 'on to them'. The need to vent is understandable, so vent to a supportive entity, not in a direction that could put you in greater danger. I cannot stress this enough: constant fights with your T? Ever think they might be provoking you? To keep you off balance? To get your anxiety disorder cranked up to the point where your judgement fails?

Have painted a strong negative bias about "big pharma" - again, journalistic digression/bias to make my point. It is simply not a complete picture as we all know: I am pretty impressed with how well Seroquel is indeed helping me, and am very thankful for it.

That said, wishing everyone much strength on their path toward a better life.
Good therapists have helped a lot of people. And when you decide you need one, it is my hope you have a healthy and productive relationship: if I had not found the one I did EMDR with, I might well not be here writing this. No fooling.

best wishes everyone,
James B.
 
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