Thinking about those affected by the Australian fires

[blackemerald1]

She wasn't on the news. She was on q&a.

So she was just a guest on a talk show? Didn't actually represent the views of the broadcaster? Then she's not relevant - at least to me.

 

[mumstheword]

So she was just a guest on a talk show? Didn't actually represent the views of the broadcaster? Then she's not relevant - at least to me.

That's fine. I was just answering your question.
I found it relevant. The timing was ...interesting. We had young women, teenagers, try to commit arson very shortly after that show was aired, here, in my town.
It matters, to me.
I doesn't have to matter to you. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. Just venting, emoting, about something that upset me, that seems wrong, that happened on a TV channel that I no longer have any faith in.

 

[blackemerald1]

The way you first brought up the subject it sounded like you were intimating that the broadcaster was actually responsible for the fires. That's quite a bizarre.

A program aired by the same broadcaster cannot be found responsible for the behaviour of some people in your town. Where do you think personal responsibility begins? Seeing and hearing something on telly doesn't make the broadcaster responsible for what people then decide to do. Unless it's like what I am using it for but that's the broadcaster doing live updates from the emergency response centre... not a talk show.

For me, that same broadcaster has saved lots of lives by broadcasting the views of the bureau of meteorology, rfs & emergency services and getting the message out there. I need that broadcaster to keep doing that.

I have little time for q&a but I stopped watching that ages ago. It's a stupid program usually chaired by a very biased reporter of dubious background and the guest panel are mostly made up of idiots with loud voices and no substance. The audience get to ask questions but they're all pre audited before the program begins. It's not authentic and I wouldn't take much stock in what that program does imo.

 

[mumstheword]

My response was my scepticism toward the abc. I don't find in a credible source of news.
And I think it was a very bad thing that women did and there has been no outcry about her behaviour. If you look it up on the internet it's all praise for the panel of feminists who were advocating violence and arson. And two days later many more fires started. If even ONE was started in response to that ABC mainstream show? IT'S TOO MANY.
Lots of other reasons I don't find the ABC credible or trustworthy. My choice and my reasons.
So you can find it "bizarre" if you want.

It's a known fact that arson happens and has happened, this fire season and yes, if a mainstream.TV show hosts a bunch of extreme feminists and one impressionable teenage girl goes out and lights a fire "against the patriarchy"? I have a right to say, any channel that hosts such a bunch of lefty, extremist garbage and hatespeech? Loses my trust, my regard and my viewership or me believing that they are a news channel that I would take seriously.
You don't have to see a connection. I do see a connection. Gaslight me and insinuate my mental instability, if you wish, you wouldn't be the first person to do so and I doubt you'll be the last.

 

[mumstheword]

My response was my scepticism toward the abc. I don't find in a credible source of news.
And I think it was a very bad thing that women did and there has been no outcry about her behaviour. If you look it up on the internet it's all praise for the panel of feminists who were advocating violence and arson. And two days later many more fires started. If even ONE was started in response to that ABC mainstream show? IT'S TOO MANY.
Lots of other reasons I don't find the ABC credible or trustworthy. My choice and my reasons.
So you can find it "bizarre" if you want.

It's a known fact that arson happens and has happened, this fire season and yes, if a mainstream.TV show hosts a bunch of extreme feminists and one impressionable teenage girl goes out and lights a fire "against the patriarchy"? I have a right to say, any channel that hosts such a bunch of lefty, extremist garbage and hatespeech? Loses my trust, my regard and my viewership or me believing that they are a news channel that I would take seriously.
You don't have to see a connection. I do see a connection. Gaslight me and insinuate my mental instability, if you wish, you wouldn't be the first person to do so and I doubt you'll be the last.

I think the "gaslighting" accusation's a bit harsh. Sorry for that @blackemerald1 . I lost my temper.

 

[Sideways]

there has been no outcry about her behaviour.

There was. A lot of outcry. Even from within the ABC, but definitely from other sources. The episode and its content was widely ridiculed. The ABC investigated, and the host of the show has been changed.

I think maybe you're reading a whole lot into one dumb comment on a show that got completely canned within 24 hours of going to air. That's not what caused these bushfires - even though her comment made you angry, it's not what started the bushfires. They were already well alight by the time that episode went to air.

 

[blackemerald1]

Gaslight me and insinuate my mental instability, if you wish, you wouldn't be the first person to do so and I doubt you'll be the last.

I wasn't doing ^ MTW and I'm concerned you interpreted my word bizarre in that context.

Do you really think I'd get far with gaslighting and insinuating anything about your mental instability when this is a forum for mental health?? I mean I'm not here because I've got a stellar mental health record btw. :sneaky:

The ABC as a national, taxpayer funded broadcaster has many outlets, programs etc., etc., and I'm relying on it quite heavily as are many, many other people right now. It will broadcast alerts, bulletins, directions for evacuating long before any of the other broadcasters on it's NEWS channel. It will interrupt transmissions on all forms of media under its control to tell us what to do. They are charged as the national broadcaster to do exactly that. And they're doing that.

The program q&a is discretionary viewing. I don't like it, clearly you don't like it so we agree.

ETA: I looked up the material you found offensive. That q&a program with that offensive big loud mouth has been removed from iview and the Minister for communications and the abc are reviewing whether or not the abc failed in it's editorial policy. I don't think they will have to go far into the program to find they did. Apparently as @Sideways has said, the episode and that particular person have been entirely discredited.

My last word on this particular abc issue is this. They, the abc are not responsible for the bushfires and they're helping me and hundreds of thousands of people all over the country right now with staying abreast of wtf is going on.

If they don't help you MTW you're entitled to tune out, turn them off, write and tell them that they're a bunch of idiots and accuse them directly. And you are definitely entitled to your views. As I am. Let's please leave it at that? :)

 

[mumstheword]

I think the "gaslighting" accusation's a bit harsh. Sorry for that @blackemerald1 . I lost my temper.

Just to reiterate. I did retract the dumb gaslighting comment, I made, immediately after I made.
I don't for one minute think the q&a crazy is responsible for all the fires, that, indeed, would be insane.
I agree, let's leave it. No doubt we are all upset by the sheer extent with which our country has been burning up.
I'm probably not making much sense and I don't have the energy to go into particulars about the abc, so yeah, glad its helpful for you and I'm sorry I'm ..just sorry...ok.

 

[joeylittle]

No doubt we are all upset by the sheer extent with which our country has been burning up.

Quoted for truth.

Words always feel too small for catastrophic disasters. I'm just so sorry to watch the suffering, and am pulling for all those who are part of the massive effort to fight back.

 

[blackemerald1]

No problems at all MTW glad we can move on. I meant no harm and if I did cause you any offence I too am sorry. :hug:

So today due to unfavourable weather conditions being high temperatures and wind, the fire ground has heated up and several fires have joined up and most fire grounds are now back into the catastrophic or extreme rating. (The highest there is) Several have jumped containment lines.

There are emergency vehicles roaring all around and up and down. But again, we are all watching and waiting.

Authorities are now estimating that these big fires may burn for another two months and most of South Eastern Australia will not receive significant rain until change of season into Autumn which is about eight weeks away. They reckon we need at least 100 mls (about 3.9 inches in the old money) to douse the fires. That's unheard of at this time of year in the South East of Australia and hasn't been seen as rain for decades. So not waiting for that to happen any time soon. :banghead:

The only difference with today compared with every other elevated fire rating day thus far, is the places that are under immediate threat have been evacuated & there are 'strike' teams located in each State made up of around 1000 firefighters. So the authorities are trying to not be on the back foot all of the time. Not sure if it will work but it's a plan and better than nothing.

A massive water tanker plane has just arrived in Brisbane on lease from somewhere outside Australia. It can carry the most water in South Eastern Asia. So it will be joining the rest of the equipment. The Australian government is leasing four of these assets.

We have a really strong South Westerly change coming through later today and it's going to create big problems. It will give all the simmering fires new oxygen, stoke them up and push them forward into new fuel. That's me.. new fuel.. lol :wtf:

A warning was issued last night saying that just because a bushfire has swept through any particular location doesn't mean for a moment it cannot come back & burn again. It may return through the canopies of trees that may have escaped the last fires and are untouched or it may simply jump to whatever fuel is left on the ground. There's a name for this but I've forgotten it.

There is a slight chance that some humidity may be dragged down from a tropical cyclone from North Western part of Western Australia, right through the interior (central Australia) to Southern and Eastern Australia. It may bring a little bit of rain but again not enough to even blunt the progress of a lot of fires and in some instances it just makes the fire trails that the firefighters use more difficult to use.

So it's blisteringly hot outside, the wind has picked up as has the activity from the fire trucks responding.

I've blurbed out here a lot of my anxiety. This is how I am when faced with extreme anxiety I guess it's a form of venting. And I've no one near me who I can discuss this with without them getting hysterical and a lot of people are borderline hysterical.

I don't need to be near people who are being hysterical because I cannot help them. I like calm. I need calm so I've come here. :)

 

[Sideways]

You're totally clear about the situation and the likely reality for the next 2 months. Keep yourself prepared to leave if advised, but otherwise business as usual as much as possible, yeah?

The only other possibility is the potential for a cyclone from NE of Australia hitting the Qld coast, which tends to happen between now and March if we get one. That rain would also filter down, not just as a rain episode, but also with lifeblood water supplies.

Shit news everywhere. But having made it through this many months? You're gonna get through this, my fam and friends are gonna get through it, just keepin on as we do. Right here with you, every day until the season is done.

 

[blackemerald1]

Interesting thing I learned today.

Juvenile forest is much more flammable than old growth forest.

So the practice of igniting and burning to reduce fuel on the floor of the forests activates growth by trees and plants that love fire and like to be regenerated every year or so. They are considered Juvenile forest. Since they like to regenerate they like to burn.

Who knew?