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[Gs172003]

I'm sure some of you have heard about the chip and joanna gainnes "controversy". They are being blasted for attending a church that preaches about traditional marriage as if that is uncommon. Well, here is there response. The line I love most, and I want to attempt to live by, is this one. "If I misjudge people and am wrong, I want to be wrong having assumed the best about them. The bottom line is, I would rather be loving than be right."

Good call.

What are your thoughts on this subject?

 

[J'qel]

To be loving is to be right. Always. To care for the lives and woes of others and to offer succor in the darkest of times is the highest service one person can ever do for another. It saves more lives than anyone will ever know. <3

 

[J'qel]

(I won't weigh in on their controversy much-but I do not think that being prejudiced counts as "love"-I believe it's in that other category.)

 

[Suzetig]

I don't know them or about the controversy surrounding them but I struggle to see how expecting other people to live by your standards - about marriage, sex, relationships, child rearing or anything else - is a loving thing to do if it means people are denied basic human rights. And denying same sex couples the ability to marry is, for me, a human rights issue.

Are they saying they think people should judge them in their best? That that's what they try to do, their churches position notwithstanding or something else?

 

[Gs172003]

Disagreeing to me isn't the same as prejudice. To me prejudice is putting it into practice. And what they mean about being loving is giving other people the benefit of the doubt. Putting other people first. That's hard when you've been through what we have.

 

[Suzetig]

It depends, if my disagreement carries sufficient weight as to stop other people living as they please then it's more than disagreement.

I may not think people should be able to keep dogs as pets, it's a private opinion and doesn't affect others. Other people can disagree and keep dogs as pets if they choose. If my opinion means laws are passed or maintained that stop other people keeping dogs as pets, the end result is my opinion breaching someone else's rights.

Marriage and the right to family life is a human right. My opinions shouldn't be allowed to influence society in a way that prevents adults in a consensual relationship marrying and having a family. Basically they have the right to disagree with same sex marriage, but not to prevent or campaign to prevent other people choosing to marry their same sex partner, that's when it moves from disagreements to prejudice in my view.

Again, I don't know of this couple or whether they campaign or not etc so I'm not commenting on them specifically.

 

[Gs172003]

I don't know them or about the controversy surrounding them but I struggle to see how expecting other p...

No they aren't. What they are saying is how they feel is how they feel. They don't love anybody any less for feeling how THEY feel. They don't expect anything from anybody else and that is how "agree to disagree" to me should work and I guess that's the point of this post.

 

[Gs172003]

I don't know them or about the controversy surrounding them but I struggle to see how expecting other p...

They have a TV show where they rehab houses. They are openly Christian but have never spoken out against anybody. The church they attend preaches for traditional marriage as most evangelical Christian churches do. That is the controversy.

 

[J'qel]

The problem is: promoting people not being able to marry whom they love is not being "loving" it's being a bigot.

Being loving is to say, I love you and want you to be happy. (marry whomever makes you happy)

It's not: I only want you to be happy the way I think you should be happy. (only marry the people I think you should be allowed to marry)

edit: they are also public figures. When you become a public figure you are going to get known. You don't become famous and then get surprised when people find out your belief system that you openly practice. It's part of the cost of admission to the stage. One of the major reasons I have NO interest in ever being famous.

 

[LClarke]

I don't particularly care. I'm not religious myself but if people choose to adhere to tenets that don't fit my worldview, that's fine as long as they don't force them onto other people. I'm a Marxist-Leninist myself, but some of my most trusted comrades are Catholics and Quakers who have opinions on marriage and abortion that I disagree with emphatically. I may not like it but religion is an inextricable component of many people's culture and worldview. Provided they aren't seeking to legislate it for the rest of us it's best to leave well enough alone, in my opinion.

 

[Gs172003]

I don't particularly care. I'm not religious myself but if people choose to adhere to tenets that don't...

I don't know what a Marxism-Leninist is lol but I agree. You can have your feelings about whatever you want. Just don't be a jerk about it. That's my philosophy.

 

[J'qel]

Ditto, I respect everyone's beliefs as long as they're not trying to force their beliefs on anyone else. Which is why I have an issue with people trying to forbid people from marrying who they love, dictating who they can love and how they can.

Believe whatever you like, but when you start trying to make other people (not)do things, that's where I draw the line.