News This Was Too Close!!!!

[lostforgottensoul]

I am scared our country will have an get knee jerk reaction and make stupid decisions in response to this

Me too! If we just put boots on the groups at first, Seal Team 6 or any special forces we could have gotten rid of ISIS so long ago.

Its scary to know an ISIS hit was only like 15 miles down the road.

 

[Anarchy]

They kinda go together = strong gun control = less mass shootings

Prior to 1920 Britain had virtually zero gun laws - if you wanted a belt fed machinegun, you could buy one and keep it in the livingroom. Britain had the world's largest gun manufacturing industry and it had zero mass public shootings.

There have been various attempts to estimate the number of unlicensed firearms currently in Britain, all have come up with more unlicensed that licensed. some figures for western europe as a whole suggest 79% are un licenced: a ratio of 4:1 !!!!

owning an unlicensed gun in Britain is a crime - hence by definition, only criminals own unlicensed guns

All of the mass shootings were perpetrated by people who had passed through all of the police checks

although the number of mass shootings in Britain has been incredibly small - that available data suggests that people passing through all of the British police checks actually present the greater threat.

It is hardly evidence of gun controls having a positive effect.

In terms of homicide - the united state has a homicide rate, If it looks like a homicide, that's what it gets booked down as (no seperate figures are kept for homicides by cops).

Britain has a "murder rate", which requires someone to be caught, and to be convicted of "murder" and to appeal and lose the appeal. At that point, if anyone is still paying attention, it gets booked down as a "murder" for the year that the process is completed.

I don't know what proportion of British "homicides" get counted as "murders" , I have not found any estimates. I would be surprised if it is as high as 10%.

If we assume as high as 10%, that puts the England and Wales (Scotland typically has twice the "murder rate" per 100,000 population per year) roughly on level pegging with the united state homicide rate.

again, hardly evidence of a benefit from draconian gun bans.

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just to put some figures out there,

There are estimated to be around 67 million illegally held firearms in Western Europe. 79% of the total firearms are estimated to be illegally held
Ref: http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affair...me_-_illicit_fireams_trafficking_final_en.pdf

 

[Chimera]

Me too! If we just put boots on the groups at first, Seal Team 6 or any special forces we co...

Has there been confirmation of a terrorist connection?
A murderers admission and phone call were all I'd heard about...sorry, still cannot look at the news.

 

[lostforgottensoul]

@Chimera im at work and not watching the websites so im unsure other than @Justmehere stating about the 911 call but Obama called it "an act of terror" http://abcnews.go.com/US/president-obama-deliver-statement-orlando-shooting/story?id=39794617

 

[lostforgottensoul]

@Chimera

"FBI investigated him before
The FBI had investigated Mateen for possibly having ties or being a sympathizer to Islamic extremism, according to a law enforcement officials and a U.S. official." Speaking of the gunman.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen/

 

[Chimera]

Due process.
Holy hell.
Heartbreaking..

 

[lostforgottensoul]

Indeed @Chimera and scary as f*ck! It could have been any place. Im suprised it was Pulse and not Disney or one of the other attractions and now im sure Disney and the others are taking security measures.

 

[Chimera]

@lostforgottensoul
I must walk away from this for now, hopefully I will remember to come back...
Just hoping this doesn't touch us directly, as hosed up as that wish is.

 

[Justmehere]

Chimera :hug: - take very good care of you and good on you for realizing when too much is too much.

It's all hitting me in a weird way. I've spent most of the day so far with people and no one seems to be aware what is happening. What do I do? Break the normal lunch conversation with, "hey did you all hear about the attack in Orlando?"

Well, I did say that and someone said they didn't and the rest of the table kept carrying on as usual.

It's good people are not reacting with huge fear and knee jerk reactions around me - but where does it turn into turning a blind eye to pain? I don't know. I'm personally so overly hypervigalent...

But I actually want and need connection over this because of PTSD and not because of PTSD, and mostly because I saw this coming and worse is likely to happen before things get better. I kind of want to yell at people we have to face this now and talk now before it really is too overwhelming to even deal with, but for some, it's already too much. The blank stares and bystander response I experienced at lunch today are a symptom of my own community and friends being too overwhelmed to even process it.

Or they just all think I'm a crazy nut. Possible.

Thank you for this thread @lostforgottensoul.

 

[joeylittle]

He (the shooter) was acknowledged by his family to be anti-homosexuality; I think that probably ties into why he targeted a gay club, instead of just any public place.

It's always more visceral when it's so close to home.

 

[Justmehere]

The family of the perpetrator of this attack is already apologizing and expressing shock. I hope (and at this point assume) they had no involvement and awareness of what was to come even though they knew he was homophobic. It's hard to believe your own family member could really do something like this. My heart goes out to them, along with all the victims families and all those who loved them.
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I once met the mother of the shooter who attacked an Amish schoolhouse. She had a very tough path. My heart really broke for her. She didn't see it coming either. I know this isn't always a popular viewpoint...

I have lived within 30 miles of no less than 3 mass shootings. It does hit home in a way that's hard to describe. It shakes a whole city. It's easier to ignore (or politicize it) when folks are further away and it's not happening in your backyard.

 

[Anarchy]

It's always more visceral when it's so close to home.

I've very strong memories of that from 20 years ago.
Hearing of the shooting of six and seven year old children in a school, and thinking that it was the school that a friend's children attended.
It was a different school, and it doesn't make the horror of the crime any less.
It's a horrible feeling.

:hug: to all of you that this is too close to
whether it was too close in distance, too close in connections, or too close in experience.