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@anthony Yes, I agree with you, but...... There are many programs that he plans on cutting that hurt the poor, indigent and the elderly. Certainly won't affect the rich in any way shape or form. Plus if he gets his tax reform done, he and the super rich will be even richer with all the tax breaks they get and we pay more. :banghead::banghead::banghead:
 
A lot of those programs are pretty important to people our here in rural areas. I know people who have benefited from them. They cost money, but they save money in the end. Things like helping people insulate their houses. There are some things, like energy assistance, which helps people pay their heading bills, or meals on wheels, where my only thought is the problem must be that they keep people from dying fast enough to suit the rich folk.

When the original outline of the budget came out, I emailed all of me federal representatives and told them if they passed anything remotely like that budget, I'm going to stop paying my taxes. Not that that costs them a noticeable amount of money. LOL

Seriously, I am offended that these rich big shots, who pay little to no taxes, intend to use my hard earned money to increase military spending and build some stupid wall, while forcing people I know and like to choose between heat or food.:mad: In my case, all my representatives are Democrats, so we're already on the same page. I almost wish that wasn't the case, so I could go protest at their local meetings.
 
She Cat said:
There are many programs that he plans on cutting that hurt the poor, indigent and the elderly.
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Maybe so... my only question would be, why is he cutting them? Regardless who the program is for, if the program is ineffective, it should be cut. That money can then be captured and allocated to priorities, such as the disability payment pot.

Whilst you say the rich aren't affected, I additionally don't think its right that you aim to punish the rich because of those who are poor, within a capitalist society.

Maybe that is the issue? Some of America want socialism, others want capitalism. But both can't exist, as they are total opposing economical forces.

We are a socialist country in Australia -- yet most Australians still disagree with the poor vs rich mentality. Being poor is not an excuse. It is one thing to talk about being poor due to disability. An actual real disability. It is another when talking about being poor due to laziness. We have unemployment benefits here, and it is sucking the life from our budget because people can just sit on it and get unemployment, with zero intention of working. These people are starting to get upset, complaining and such, because our minister for employment is doing something about it -- like going to start making them all work in jobs and roles for their unemployment benefits. They would be better off then to go get a job which pays more money, than work days per week for the mere amount of unemployment they get.

These "poor" are screaming "poor them" because they don't want to work, believe they can sit around sucking money from tax payers and do nothing. Now the axe is coming down, the poor are screaming. Not poor due to disability, but just lazy.

I think there is a difference in having that discussion and broadly using "poor" as a justification.

Our country introduced compulsory superannuation many decades ago. The issue though is that you have this aged population who are in the transitional period of not having a lifetime of compulsory savings accumulated for old age, who are poor, living hard, and endure the illness factor of older age. People here can accept that, and they help out where possible. The majority ask that old age pensions be increases, so forth, to take that burden upon their taxes to help those in such positions. Again, a different scenario of poor which people here tolerate, but won't tolerate in the decades to come once the generational gap has changed for birth vs compulsory superannuation. If people spend it, blow it, and lose it in old age, it will be tough luck for them then. Families will have to take the burden, or they end up in Governmental institutions of elderly care with the bare minimum, basically just awaiting to die, because they f*cked up their superannuation / were lazy and didn't want to work when they could.

There is more to it, IMHO, than just being poor and screaming, "poor me" about things being axed that are ineffective and a burden on systems. That is how you disable an entire countries economic system -- and Americas is already severely disabled in unrecoverable debt.
 
We have a fair number of people in this country who work very hard, but make little money. And, I suppose that's a problem with capitalism. As it stands right now, it seems to me both of the major parties are courting the rich, because that's where they get their money. They want to money so they can 'win' and then the cycle repeats. They leave their government jobs and become consultants or lobbyists, and rake in more money from the same corrupt cycle. Meanwhile, I know a fair number of people around here working 2 and 3 part time jobs to try and make ends meet. Companies avoid having to pay benefits by only offering enough hours to keep employees just under full time status.Since the decline of the labor unions (thanks Ronald Reagan & co), workers have very little leverage to negotiate improvements in wages or benefits.

It's complicated, I'm sure. Small businesses don't have it so easy either. But the one thing that's abundantly clear is that most of the money from what's done in this country is being sequestered in the top few percents of the population. Since they are the ones we keep electing to run the show, what else can we expect. Except that running for office, now, takes and absurd amount of money. to run for office. We probably need to start by reforming the election process, but you run into the problem of asking the corrupt individuals who are profiting from it to sink their own ship. Obviously not real likely.

Of the people I know, personally, who've benefited from the fuel assistance & energy assistance programs, 2 are in their 70's. Both worked their whole lives, but didn't retire wealthy. One has since had a stroke & is in a wheelchair. The others all work, but the jobs don't pay enough that they can pay their bills. They could move to a bigger city & look for work, but the cost of living will be higher there too. Probably a wash.

I'll grant that there are people here who complain but could work. I don't think it's the majority.

I'm not at ALL sure that Trump & co. have actually taken the time to see how effective those programs are. They haven't presented any actual evidence that I've seen. He's cutting things because it's popular with the rest of the party or because it fits with his personal values. No need to confuse things by gathering facts.
 
anthony said:
Maybe so... my only question would be, why is he cutting them?
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Why indeed. Let me know what you find out. About *this country specifically*. Until then, I feel your *poor people are just lazy* analogy is significantly off.
 
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