News Was I Being A Douche?

[EveHarrington]

Who exactly were you arguing with?

I think some are very adamant about their position in the deaf community and belief as deafness not being a disability, but I don't think all deaf people have the same views.

I can also understand your argument that it's up to them to adapt should they so choose. Legalities of adaptation are along the lines of translation devices and services, just as there are limits to how anyone with a disability will be accommodated.

PTSD is different, but at the same time we can't expect the world to adapt to us either.

 

[Fadeaway]

There are a good number of people who have hard their cochlear implant removed because the tone is distressing to them. From what I understand, a cochlear implant doesn't help you differentiate between tones. It doesn't pick up on things like inflection or pitch changes. So the tone they hear, with the cochlear implant can be very annoying and cause discomfort in some recipients. There are a lot of other risks as well including infection.

Thought provoking video

 

[Stickler]

...I was arguing with some kids elsewhere.

We really ought to work harder to accommodate people.
Had I been careful enough to phrase it better...I would phrase it like this?

Because of my mental illness, I have trouble functioning.
I would like the world to not force me to have to struggle as much as I do to get along in it
I feel more empowered, though, when I adapt as best I can.
Your stance and choice is perfectly valid too, our society needs to accommodate the differently abled far better than it currently does.
...These two choices can work in a syncretic fashion; we can work for better accommodations while improving assistive devices...funding assistive devices for low-income people seems worthwhile.

...I did figure there might be really good reasons to not have implants. But if you could have an affordable translative device to help you interact with non-signers? Their main argument against it is that people ought to adapt to the disabled.

Quite right, they should adapt to the differently abled and the mentally-interesting.
Will they? Probably...but it'll take time.
...I will adapt as much as I can, because I can take control of that.

Adapting as fiercely as one can AND taking the moral stance that society ought to accommodate everyone a lot better are not mutually contradictory.

 

[Neverthesame]

So totally lost. Probably shouldn't even say anything here, but I guess I spent all my good sense yesterday.

(Caveat, this is one of those things that probably needs one: The questions I am going to pose below are serious. I am not being facetious, silly, sarcastic or willfully ignorant.)

Having a hearing impairment is a cultural subset?

I thought it was the inability of the brain to process sounds, due to injury, disease or developmental deficit?

Why would someone who is unable to hear, actively choose to remain that way?
(I mean beyond factors such as cost or quality. If it's going be super expensive to do and sound like shit after, fine. That makes sense, but that does not appear to be the source of contention here.)

So what is?

Could someone also please be so kind as to explain to me what albeist is?
I don't know that word. I see it alot lately, but it is used in such a haphazard method, the context is totally lost on me.

 

[Stickler]

Ableist-insisting that the disabled adapt to the fully abled society, rather than society accommodating universal access.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaf_culture

If you prefer that subculture and don't want a cochlear implant for that reason alone? That's a perfectly legit choice.
If the danger's not worth the payoff to you that's reasonable.

I'd like to see someone develop an affordable device to totally eliminate their communication barrier with the rest of the world- not typing, just communicating with sign language and reading the spoken response in text, so that it's as smooth and fast as possible.

Whether the deaf person wants to use that tech or not is then up to them.

...And that's an ableist thing to want.

 

[Friday]

@Neverthesame ... Honestly, the Wiki isn't terrible.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaf_culture

In short, though, being deaf is only considered something "bad" or to be gotten rid of ...as a rule... By people who aren't deaf. In fact, there's a subset of Deaf culture who are baffled by hearing people who choose to remain that way! Yes, the surgery to render yourself deaf is expensive and like all surgeries contain some risk, but the technology is out there. Why anyone would choose to remain hearing when they don't have to?

I've gotten a lot of pity from deaf kids. Older kids usually try to hide it, but it's that flash of Oh I'm so sorry before they manage to school their faces. And younger kids, especially ones deep in Deaf culture (family, school, friends) are just like Why??? & If you could fix it, you would. It will be okay. (Is she going to cry? Better pat her back and let her know I'm here for her if she needs to have a good cry about being hearing. It's not her fault she's hearing. It must be really really hard on her.)

LMAO. So, yeah.

 

[Friday]

For true Sticks, I think the Bluetooth Glove Translator idea is freaking brilliant. Although maybe an easier translation tool would be via video. Nothing to break or lose (except your phone). But gloves aren't stuck with a limited field of view, so...?

That said, most of the deaf people i know have absolutely zero trouble operating in mainstream society... Outside of k12 one size fits none most education... If they need to speak to a Hearing person? They text. Or write. Voila!

I haven't come across the Hearing needs to accommodate Deaf thing, before, though. I mean, outside of the whole ADA thing.

 

[Stickler]

@FridayJones It would be great, but I get the impression it's more of a solution in search of a problem.

 

[Stickler]

In short, though, being deaf is only considered something "bad" or to be gotten rid of ...as a rule... By people who aren't deaf. In fact, there's a subset of Deaf culture who are baffled by hearing people who choose to remain that way! Yes, the surgery to render yourself deaf is expensive and like all surgeries contain some risk, but the technology is out there. Why anyone would choose to remain hearing when they don't have to?

Noise-canceling headphones run about $50...you can be helped affordably! :p

 

[joeylittle]

I haven't come across the Hearing needs to accommodate Deaf thing, before, though. I mean, outside of the whole ADA thing.

I work with two Deaf people, fairly regularly, in the context of a group that is predominantly hearing. The culture of the group has evolved over time, so that nearly everyone understands how they need to adjust in order to work effectively with the translators and the individual. When everyone remembers, it's fine. When there's a new person, and they forget some basic things - like, Deaf person can't know you are talking to them if you are behind them - one of the guys gets really upset. The other person shrugs it off. I think it's as individual as anything else.