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What Is Sex For?

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I am a survivor of early sexual child abuse. I had to learn to separate sex from love, to realize that they are not automatically one and the same. Then, I had to separate sex from abuse, to realize that they were not automatically one and the same. Then, I had to stop acting out sexually in ways that repeated the original abuses. After that, I took a vacation from sex and relationships, and in the process discovered my true sexual self, and what I want sex to be, for me.

I was able to define what sex is for me, and what I want/need it to be, ..for me. I think this represents highly personal choices that each individual, and/or couple, must decide for themselves. I had the help of a therapist, I don't know how others sort things out. Hope this is helpful somehow.

LH
 
I would, however, welcome any comments you have about how you have overcome difficulties caused by early sexual abuse. This is what I started this thread to discuss.

I sometimes think it would be so much easier to heal if we could "practice" with someone safe - i don't just mean sex, I mean the whole relating/working out your boundaries/bulding trust thing. It can be so confusing if you add in the fact that you don't know if your issues with sex/bonding/trust are purely yours - or whether in some way bad feelings you may be having mean you've unwittingly got into a relationship with someone who is in some ways trying to control you in some subtle, but familiar way. I know not everybody does this - I just fear they will.

It's easy to think we're the one with the problems and our partner must know better, will be on our side, won't abuse us like our perpertrators emotionally or otherwise...However, even with someone well meaing it could be hard for us to state our boundaries and resist manipulation, we can get influenced into doing things that make us feel uncomfortable or replays a trauma- but because it's familiar, we don't notice. Or we imagine they are - when they're not.

The whole idea of trying to work out if a potential partner is "safe" or going to turn into a different person that I don't spot until it's too late - that really frightens me. I guess the answer is to go really really slowly with someone, not get into sex until you genuinely feel safe.. Knowing that they fully understand your history and genuinely want to help you and support you - then maybe they become the safe person to "practice" being yourself on. Practice staying with the horrid feelings of wanting to run away/ dissociate or whatever.

Doing sex early on feels so dangerous because you haven't had chance to find out if you partner is genuine - or just genuinely knows he wants sex with you!!! They're two different things.....

I don't know- and I feel a million miles away from being able to find out!!
 
...separate sex from abuse...to separate sex from abuse...stop acting out sexually...took a vacation from sex and relationships

LH,

That really has a strong feel of completeness for me! Thank you. I know that this doesn't mean completeness for others or for even Angel, but it is a good starting point for me...


I'm very sorry if I made anyone feel really uncomfortable. This is a pretty hard topic to talk about in general

EL,

This would be a great place to start your own thread on the subject. Just post here that you started it. Maybe even a link... And everyone interested will know exactly where to go to. And those who have issues can easily avoid it...

Bear
 
After that, I took a vacation from sex and relationships, and in the process discovered my true sexual self, and what I want sex to be, for me.

You make it sound so simple and so easy!! I'm sure it wasn't. But it's a nice break-down into steps. Thank you for sharing that.

I think in some ways I expected sex issues to just magically "get better" as I did the trauma therapy. I didn't expect to have to work at it this hard, I guess. I didn't expect this particular part of my life to get worse while the rest of it was getting better, either.
 
This would be a great place to start your own thread on the subject. Just post here that you started it. Maybe even a link... And everyone interested will know exactly where to go to. And those who have issues can easily avoid it...

Ah, well.... I thought I was answering the opening question. Sorry to threadjack.
 
Here is my take- Sex is a thing that people do that is (potentially) pleasurable. As such, it is something that people do for quite different reasons - kind of like speaking in words. It can be used for good things (like communicating on this forum to try to help each other) and it can be used for evil (trying to defraud someone or abuse them). It can be used for fun; "twas brillig and the slithy toves" and just enjoyment. So people have sex for the same huge variety of reasons people do... well just about anything else.

Why do people think sex is important for healthy intimate relationships? That seems more like Angel's specific concern (yes?) The basic answer is that we are not only mental and emotional and spiritual creatures, but we are physical too. We like to feel that visceral attraction to someone, and have that someone feel the same way about us. And it is better to be able to express our love for each other in more ways rather than less. Why limit yourself to dinner, when you could get dessert too? That bit is pretty simple. Doing it is another story entirely. The ideal is to have sex be an activity that, more than any other, allows us to break down the boundaries between ourselves and for a short time "merge" into the "one person" that the law and various religious traditions describe as the "married" state. Not to get too metaphysical about it, when we manage this we leave a bit of our soul with the other person, and carry away a bit of theirs with us. This can have unexpected and in principle unpredictable practical consequences for conduct of intimate relationships. (I say this so that no one will ask me what they are:sneaky:) The difficulty of this for most everyone is demonstrated by the fact that it is realistically achievable with only one other person at a time.

One source of the difficulty people have is that the capacity for such merging is one that is ... delicate and needs nurturing. And if one spends one's youth getting sex imprinted as something frightening, and about power and control, or even just about physical pleasure - it is a challenge to re-integrate the emotional and spiritual aspects of it. Not impossible, mind you, just something that requires some patience and practice and tolerance for setbacks and frustration. Not unlike learning to cook, which no one expects to come "naturally!":D

Angel, are you a horse person? (I forget who is and isn't here...) with horses, if they have been abused or seriously traumatized, we often "start them over" from scratch, as if they'd never had any training at all. And with a good trainer it often works....

Meant to write more, but am being called away... maybe later.
 
Angel, are you a horse person? (I forget who is and isn't here...) with horses, if they have been abused or seriously traumatized, we often "start them over" from scratch, as if they'd never had any training at all. And with a good trainer it often works....

You know, you're not the first person who has recommended this to me. Starting over from scratch and doing it right.

Not sure that will work in my situation. Because there are always two people in a relationship. In my case, I'm realizing that some of the problems I thought were mine are actually my husband's issues about sex cropping up. For example, his entire lack of confidence comes to mind.

Have you ever heard any stories where the horse trained the trainer first? And then the trainer helped the horse?

The blind are leading the blind right into the ditch around here...
 
He always wants me to be the authority and tell him exactly what I need and what to do. But I don't know what I need. I don't know what to do.

Maybe we do need some outside help. I can't really imagine doing that, but maybe we need to.

I wish my therapist hadn't quit work to go take care of her baby.
 
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But I don't know what I need. I don't know what to do.

I think if I was your husband, knowing that my touch might feel abusive to you, I would want you to tell me what was ok.

But, I also wouldn't know what to do or what I want/need.

Its something I'm exploring by myself, and maybe that takes the pressure off. But I have the odd breakthrough day, when I think maybe it would be nice to experience that nice sexual relationship.

But then the next day I might be shivering with revulsion at the thought of it. I don't think a new relationship could cope with me being like that, so I avoid relationships.

But if you're happy and comfortable in other parts of your relationship, could you work on your thoughts of sex by yourself and invite him to be involved as and when you felt like it? Or maybe that would be unfair on him. I don't know.

I guess in my situation, its not just that I don't know what is healthy for me. But also that I wouldn't understand or recognise healthy reactions in a man.
 
But yet, it is hard to have confidence when you don't know what to do, but how could anyone know 'what' to give, when the other person doesn't know what they want (not blaming here).
So maybe that's a key- try to figure out how you want to feel (nothing to do with sex), and go from there.

I think in or out of the bedroom it helps a lot to get rid of 'ghosts'.
(((((Hugs)))))
 
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