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What should I expect from therapy?

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Gs172003

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Every week it's the same thing. "how are you and what's going on?". Alot of the time we don't talk about me but about my kids or other things in my life. Is that normal or is there specific stuff I'm supposed to be doing? Am I just giving myself an excuse to quit?
 
My therapist used to stay in that lane a lot if he thought talking about other stuff would make me too symptomatic. I just always felt like I was wasting my sessions. Eventually I said something. Now it’s usually about half stuff like that, half focused on the past.
 
Your personal story is probably too painful to bring up so it is easy to stay on safe subjects until you are ready. Take as much time as you need. But remember the therapist job is to give safe space so you can recover in the presence of another since most of us got broken in the presence of another.
In my view, the longer you stay in therapy is reflection of the amount of trauma and the depth of internal safety damage. It takes long time to heal that part alone, then most everything else falls in place ...like unraveling a rope...

You are the right area. Quitting, focusing on the therapist personality,avoiding processing of trauma outside of therapy, denying feelings evoked in therapy that make no sense in reality, are some serious distractions that Neve brings us closer to recovery.

The question is what is your incentive for recovery? What would you do to have not only peace of mind, but growth, better health, relationships, potential as human? What do you want from therapy?
Only you can answer.
 
there specific stuff I'm supposed to be doing?
What would you want to be doing in therapy other than what you are doing? What do you want from therapy? If you don't feel that you and your therapist are on the same page with your goals or expectations, do you feel it would be useful to have a session discussing that?
Alot of the time we don't talk about me but about my kids or other things in my life.
When you say you're not talking about you, can you put a finger or on what about you you want to be talking about, or think you should be talking about? When you're talking about your kids and other things in your life, I'm guessing these are things that are bothering you in some way? So that kind of is about you too, but I'm getting the impression there are things you should be focussing on instead?

I don't think there are right and wrong things to talk about in therapy, but if you feel like you're avoiding certain subjects, or you're using other subjects as a way to distract away from the things you want to work on, then that would be a good topic to bring up with her too.
 
I've had different kinds of therapy and therapy relationships. I was always working on something, never just talking. I guess I'm sort of doing therapy again with someone new to me, and it is just me talking about whatever comes into my head. So far that is helping me. There is no plan to work on anything or talk about anything specific.
 
I agree with the above: what are your goals? That question in itself has often been too hard for me, and I’ll spend the odd appointment just working on that. What should my goals be? What can I improve? What am i avoiding?

My T starts each appointment the same way: how are you? She knows, by now, that’s not a particularly helpful question for me. But I also know - that’s my cue. I can go 2 ways with that question.

I can chat. About stuff. Sometimes that’s exactly what I need. Sometimes I do that because I’m just plain old avoiding the hard stuff.

The alternative, is I can use that question as a springboard for a hard work session. When she says “How are you?” My response is usually not all that much about how I am, so “I’m doing okay, so I’d like to talk about/work a bit more on...”.

I think people often misinterpret that initial opening of “How are you?” as common politeness (that’s the normal thing to say to a person you’ve just sat down with to speak to), or “My T hasn’t planned anything for today’s session. Again.”

Depending on the type of T, though? That’s absolutely not the case. Many psychotherapists deliberately let the therapy process be guided by you, at the pace you dictate. You decide what to work on, rather than them, and when that work gets done.

That is intended to build trust, but more importantly, leave control and ownership of the healing process with the client. Particularly with trauma patients, one popular theory is that the client feeling in control of the relationship, how quickly things move, what you’re prepared to talk about and when you’re ready to do that.

Trauma patients often come from a place where they have had little or no control over a significant relationship, and will naturally fall back into that dynamic. In essentially forcing the patient to take back control of their own healing, this type of approach is intended to help the patient not just gain the T’s trust, but relearn what a healthy relationship dynamic should be like.

It doesn’t work for everyone. For example, when Marsha Lineham originally coined DBT, she very deliberately forced patients to commit to a set process with fixed topics for each work, expectations about homework and preparation for the following week. That approach was because DBT recognised that, particularly for people who have BPD, they oftentimes come to therapy with a lot of resistance, and letting them control those initial skill-based parts of therapy was essential to getting anywhere.

With you? You’ve been journalling some really intense stuff, stuff that I think it would be helpful to have your T helping you process. You probably also have particular symptoms or function issues particular to you that you’d like to improve.

So, perhaps at the next appointment, you could go in ready with some notes about those things, and ask for your T’s help with (1) planning some therapy goals; (2) getting your T’s advice on the best way to prioritise and work towards those goals; (3) whether your T has their own thoughts about things they think you would benefit from working on; and then (4) coming up with a rough plan of how that’s going to work.

Your T is likely to keep starting your appointment with “How are you”, even having agreed the week before “We’re going to start processing my traumatic experiences so I can move on”, or “We’re going to discuss my children’s situation and how to manage that”. Because at each appointment, your T is likely to want to leave it up to you to take control of the process.

I hope that’s helpful. I floundered for a long time with seemingly endless, ‘wasted’ appointments where my T would ask me how I was and we’d spend the time discussing that, and ridiculously minor issues cropping up day to day, not realising they were waiting for me to stand up and say “This is what I need to work on - please help me with that, because I find it hard to just open up of my own accord”.

If it’s any consolation, some T’s take an even more rigourous approach to this. Freudian T’s are still around who will insist that any input from them is counter therapeutic. My sister spent several years with one of them, and since she didn’t want to talk? Many of those years the majority of her appointments were spent in complete silence, with her getting no feedback, inout or questions, and her (and her stubbornness!) quite happy to play the silent game! Not helpful!!
 
I agree with the above: what are your goals? That question in itself has often been too hard for me, and I’ll spend the odd appointment just working on that. What should my goals be? What can I improve? What am i avoiding?

My T starts each appointment the same way: how are you? She knows, by now, that’s not a particularly helpful question for me. But I also know - that’s my cue. I can go 2 ways with that question.

I can chat. About stuff. Sometimes that’s exactly what I need. Sometimes I do that because I’m just plain old avoiding the hard stuff.

The alternative, is I can use that question as a springboard for a hard work session. When she says “How are you?” My response is usually not all that much about how I am, so “I’m doing okay, so I’d like to talk about/work a bit more on...”.

I think people often misinterpret that initial opening of “How are you?” as common politeness (that’s the normal thing to say to a person you’ve just sat down with to speak to), or “My T hasn’t planned anything for today’s session. Again.”

Depending on the type of T, though? That’s absolutely not the case. Many psychotherapists deliberately let the therapy process be guided by you, at the pace you dictate. You decide what to work on, rather than them, and when that work gets done.

That is intended to build trust, but more importantly, leave control and ownership of the healing process with the client. Particularly with trauma patients, one popular theory is that the client feeling in control of the relationship, how quickly things move, what you’re prepared to talk about and when you’re ready to do that.

Trauma patients often come from a place where they have had little or no control over a significant relationship, and will naturally fall back into that dynamic. In essentially forcing the patient to take back control of their own healing, this type of approach is intended to help the patient not just gain the T’s trust, but relearn what a healthy relationship dynamic should be like.

It doesn’t work for everyone. For example, when Marsha Lineham originally coined DBT, she very deliberately forced patients to commit to a set process with fixed topics for each work, expectations about homework and preparation for the following week. That approach was because DBT recognised that, particularly for people who have BPD, they oftentimes come to therapy with a lot of resistance, and letting them control those initial skill-based parts of therapy was essential to getting anywhere.

With you? You’ve been journalling some really intense stuff, stuff that I think it would be helpful to have your T helping you process. You probably also have particular symptoms or function issues particular to you that you’d like to improve.

So, perhaps at the next appointment, you could go in ready with some notes about those things, and ask for your T’s help with (1) planning some therapy goals; (2) getting your T’s advice on the best way to prioritise and work towards those goals; (3) whether your T has their own thoughts about things they think you would benefit from working on; and then (4) coming up with a rough plan of how that’s going to work.

Your T is likely to keep starting your appointment with “How are you”, even having agreed the week before “We’re going to start processing my traumatic experiences so I can move on”, or “We’re going to discuss my children’s situation and how to manage that”. Because at each appointment, your T is likely to want to leave it up to you to take control of the process.

I hope that’s helpful. I floundered for a long time with seemingly endless, ‘wasted’ appointments where my T would ask me how I was and we’d spend the time discussing that, and ridiculously minor issues cropping up day to day, not realising they were waiting for me to stand up and say “This is what I need to work on - please help me with that, because I find it hard to just open up of my own accord”.

If it’s any consolation, some T’s take an even more rigourous approach to this. Freudian T’s are still around who will insist that any input from them is counter therapeutic. My sister spent several years with one of them, and since she didn’t want to talk? Many of those years the majority of her appointments were spent in complete silence, with her getting no feedback, inout or questions, and her (and her stubbornness!) quite happy to play the silent game! Not helpful!!
That was incredibly helpful. Thank you.
I am not used to being the one to be in charge in these types of situations so it scares me. Just the idea of bringing it up to her worries me. But I think I can ask her "hey is it ok with you if we work on x,y or z?".
 
I am not used to being the one to be in charge in these types of situations so it scares me.
I know, right? And for me, it’s been hard to get used to. Part of being a functional adult, apparently. But my brain got hardwired to letting other people being in control is safest. Putting me first? Completely foreign. And very uncomfortable.
 
My therapist also starts with "how are you?". At first it felt like a useless gesture. But as I'm getting stronger, I can actually use it as a way to let her know, and then she responds accordingly - if I say that I feel good, I notice we dip into harder stuff faster. If I say that I'm totally overwhelmed, the session is about managing daily life.

So, just food for thought. It took me about a year and a half to realize that what I said in the beginning was actually setting the tone for the rest of the session.
 
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