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When Is It Right To Cut Off Relations With Family Member??

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kath3141

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Its a very difficult question and something i've struggled for a long time with. My relationship with my parents is palatable. We get along well, and they are great grandparents to my two kids. I have only one sibling, a younger sister, and our relationship is very strained and causes me lots of stress. Here's the quick and dirty background.

I was diagnosed with PTSD at some point during my last five years of therapy. Interestingly, with a complaint of "stuckness", where every area of my life was a repetition of the same past painful experiences. When I learned about the disorder, and I reflect what they are in relation to, I realize I've been suffering with this problem for quite some time, without a knowledge of "what to call it".

At any rate, my sister and I have a very unhealthy relationship. I'm so sick and tired with it, at this point, that I hate to go into any lengthly details. Essentially, she is a very pragmatic, no-nonsense person, unemotional, and distant. Until I entered into therapy and learned to speak the truth of how I think and feel, our relationship was just fine. She would say hurtful things that really bug me and I would want to say something, but somehow just shut up and took it. I was afraid somehow that I would be punished for sharing how I feel. Sometimes these things are inert, yet they really get to me:

(1) She made a comment about anyone mother who works is a bad mom (I work, she stays at home)
(2) Made a comment about a show we watched on a woman who stayed in an abusinve relationship, "what's wrong with her)...(it took me 5 years to leave, that relationship 20+ years ago, is she talking about me I think)"
(3) Regarding the endless bullying I endured in high school (discussed things I did to make it worse for myself)....She was popular, and had no idea how bad it was, as a child thinking of suicide daily.

At any rate, lately, if she says something like this lately, I tell her my perspective on things and share I feel about what she says,(In as calm and collected manner as I can). Nonetheless, I do get emotional because some things she says are "triggery". Mind you, I've been in a bit of therapy, and completed my DBT classes twice. I also journal extensively, and have learned how to manage these emotions, so as to not become a completely unplugged cry baby at such moments.

Her reaction to this is to become defensive and say she didn't mean it that way. The problem is, she sees so black and white, in that pragmatic and judgmental way, she fails to consider my point of view. She drowns it out, and doesn't get that her statement isn't just about the events at hand, but how they touch on old traumas. She becomes focused on picking part the entire conversation to understand how I was misconstruing what she said. My simple request is that she just respects and is willing ot listen to my point of view, the other side of the coin, (i.e. working mothers can also be good moms).

MY CHOICES:

ON THE ONE HAND: I could hold onto my ideal of radical self-responsibility, and "turning over the coin" to see its other side. This has helped me move on and heal tremendously, (i.e now happily married to loving man 15 years). Part of me, from this perspective, desires to really own my role in things that caused the downfall in the relationship. Giving up means I failed, this bothers me.

ON THE OTHER HAND: I could cut ties with my sister. How does this go? What are the considerations involved. The guilt I would feel over "giving up" would be counterbalanced by a peace of mind. I feel this relationship drags me back into old unhealthy patterns.....(i.e. need for approval/validation, and fear of abandonment, etc)

P.S. I realize this is a tough question, does anybody have stories to share, or guidelines/considerations to keep in mind? Or just stories

P.S.S. I do realize that there is a way to search for this topic in the forum, but somehow, I do feel it was necessary to share my own story here. Even if nobody answers, this was very cathartic and empowering (this is my first lengthly post btw, as a shy lurker)...
 
It's a tough call. But I would say you are not giving up, you would be standing up for yourself and your feelings. I also think that she knows she is taking a jab at you when she talks about working mothers.
Maybe you should distance yourself for a while, not out of anger, but self preservation. No need for a big fight, just back away from the situation.
She sounds like a bit of a narcissist.
 
Without going into analytical mode (which is hard for me) I suggest you start by going Limited Contact with her. This you gradually downgrade the amount of times you are in contact and the type of contact and the place of contact.

To disarm her sense of entitlement to having an opinion, it would be best if you see her in places where she does not feel totally relaxed. Not her place or yours or even your parents, if she is used to having her say there in comfort.

If she is used to ringing her, slowly start to take a little longer to return her call or start putting into the conversations how busy you have been lately and for everyone to just be aware they might have to leave a message and you'll get back to them at a good time.

She sounds like she feels entitled. It's probably disarming for her to see you are now willing to have an opinion. It might be best to not engage with her, but to come up with some phrases you can use as responses that will not make it flourish into an argument.

Might not be much help, I'm tired. But it's food for thought.
 
Blue Dream - I do think you're right about distancing myself for some time. I feel it may be necessary, as I let go of my own hopes for something more. It is hard when you work hard to gain courage to speak up for yourself, only to be punished every time you do so....

Flossy - Your advice sounds like a good strategy, for limiting contact
 
A lot depends on the person or persons you're considering cutting ties with. I went no contact with my narcissistic mother ten years ago before I knew she was an N and without knowing "no contact" was a thing. If any individual, blood related or not, has such a negative influence on your life that they jeopardize your mental wellbeing or safety then it might be time to cut ties. No one gets a free pass to abuse me. No one is entitled to be a part of my life. Everyone I maintain contact with or have a relationship with is there because there is mutual respect, trust, appreciation and love. I've heard the whole shpiel about how my mother is my mother and she'll always love me, but that's complete and utter bullshit. Loving mothers don't try to kill their own children. I've permanently distanced myself from most of her side of the family, as they are just as dysfunctional as she is, or at the very least have been quick to invalidate my experience in defense of her actions. Complete "no contact" is easier, at least for me, than limited contact. I keep in touch with my sister, but I find the grey area difficult to navigate. However I think there is something in the merits the work it requires, and it's helping me learn boundaries and how to exercise them. For the record, I have never, for a second, regretted going no contact with "The Dementor" Sometimes, having no relationship with a person is better than trying to maintain any at all. Deciding which route is best for each relationship takes work. Wishing you insight and courage along your journey.
 
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When you cannot be healthy around them, they have to go.

It is 100% worth it.

Let go of any guilt.

They m...

You know this quote hits at the heart of what I'm starting to realize. Is it worth it to maintain a relationship that's unhealthy for me. The biggest hurdle may be in the grieving I go as I come to terms with this fact...
 
Everyone I maintain contact with or have a relationship with is there because there is mutual respect, trust, appreciation and love. I've heard the whole shpiel about how my mother is my mother and she'll always love me, but that's complete and utter bullshit. Loving mothers don't try to kill their own children. I've permanently distanced myself from most of her side of the family, as they are just as dysfunctional as she is, or at the very least have been quick to invalidate my experience in defense of her actions

This quote hits at the heart of what I've realized. I have a relationship that's damaging for my well being. In a recent call to me, she said she acknowledged she couldn't be what I needed, and maybe she's not healthy for me. This was a smack in the face of the very stuff above you're saying. As you say, she "validates my experinces in defense of her actions". Literally, whenever she does this, I feel complete shame, and am an emotional wreck for the remainder of the day, after confronting her with something she says.

The biggest thing about this that hurts so much is the lack of acknowledgement of how I feel. IT reminds me of how I felt growing up. I was going through a lot of tough things and in much pain, all the while, I somehow felt it was my fault.
 
Well done for sharing! Not only is it brave, but I hope you found it empowering.

I had a similar situation, not with my sister, but with my mum. She has now passed, so I can safely say the problem and the abuse is now over!
As for your situation. . . the advice I give will of course be purely on my own experience and if it helps you, great. If not, might give you other alternatives and food for thought?!

I don't know if you have read about narcissistic abusers, siblings? (or in my case, the mother) You should google it and have a nosey about narcissistic abuser traits. If you do read about narcissism, then you can be your own judge concerning your sister.
Don't want to burden you with my own story of my mum, but like yourself with your sister, my relationship with my mum was too difficult, stressful and very much a struggle. She drained the f*ck out of me each time I was in her company and I hated who I was and what I felt every time I was around her.
It took me 30 years to discover she was an abuser.........my abuser. It took a further 1 and half years after realising this at 30 to walk the f*ck away. This was too late though. One year passes of not speaking to her and I get the phone call to see her once more. Thinking, finally, I have gotten away, I walked away, never to look back. . . . .only to find out she has cancer and wants my help (not to make amends with me, oh-no, she didn't care about that, she just wanted me to look after her and made me feel obligated to do it too. . .and I completely submitted and a few year after her death, what happened? I completely have a meltdown. I take a nervous break down - a f*cking bad one!)
It's very difficult decision to make, but has to be done for your own sanity and safety!
I couldn't set boundaries with my mum, she wouldn't allow it. It was always her way or the high way.
So the only decision I could make at the time was to walk away. Sometimes I wished I did it sooner, waaay sooner, years sooner, as her death wouldn't have been as brutal (well, this is what I think sometimes, in truth I don't really know how it would've be!)

Do I regret walking away at the time she was alive? Never. I would do it again and again and again! I did find my peace, I did start to live a better life without her in it. . . but fate took a terrible twist. For me to come back into her life and endure more abuse and this time what was her excuse?. . . I have cancer was her excuse for each abusive, insultive, nasty thing she would say to me. . .though she couldn't physically hurt me any more as the chemo took the energy right out of her!
The point I am trying to make comparing your story is; if walking away and cutting all ties is going to be so healthy for you, without a doubt, you should do it! If you can't? Then it's time to set your boundaries with her. Whenever she niggles and chips away at your personality, confidence, or you start to feel that horrible way inside, this is your q to get out, escape, leave, end the conversation, change the subject, avoid at all costs and arrange another time to be around her. (I know I couldn't set boundaries with my mum, walking away was my only option!)

Truth is, no-one can make this decision for you, except you. Unfortunately it's going to be a tough one to make. All I can say is when you make this decision, accept that guilt (maybe even shame?) will come, it's inevitable. This is where you have to be strong willed and know that the only way for you to recover and heal is to do what is right for you and only you, regardless of what anyone else thinks (including your sister!), regardless of guilty feelings too and you don't have to explain your reasons either. I didn't, I just walked and it was the best thing I did for myself and I still don't have regrets either, even that my mum has now passed!

Have a read about narcissism though, see if it helps. There is also plenty of sites about recovery and breaking free from narcissistic abusers too, especially family members with these traits.

I hope this helps a little, if not, please feel free to send me a message and keep in touch. I am happy to go in depth with my own story similar to yours if you feel it would help. Even if it's just someone you are looking to relate with. But do know that I really feel and empathize with your situation and I know how hard and difficult it is to cut off all ties with certain abusive family members.
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Yeah that absolutely sucks. A healthy relationship is one that is two-sided, in that both parties involved are cognizant, concerned and respectful of the other's feelings. Without sincere work from both sides, there can be no hope for a positive connection.

I've never experienced shame or guilt for cutting ties and not looking back. Anger and frustration that others just don't get it, absolutely, but never shame.

Sometimes we can get stuck in our heads, over analyzing and replaying things in an attempt to figure out the next step that judgement gets clouded, perspectives get distorted. I'm finding that my gut is a lot more in tune to what is best for me than my head is!
 
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I hope this helps a little, if not, please feel free to send me a message and keep in touch. I am happy to go in depth with my own story similar to yours if you feel it would help. Even if it's just someone you are looking to relate with. But do know that I really feel and empathize with your situation and I know how hard and difficult it is to cut off all ties with certain abusive family members.
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Thx for the story. It helps to hear other people who have been through something similar. I'll have to read the narrcisistic stuff, a few people have mentioned it briefly. Healthy boundaries and respect are definitely a requirement for me now. Interestingly, I keep reaching out of a feeling of obligation, and an unwillingness to give up hope for something to change. My husband says doing the same thing, expecting different results is pointless. Maybe he's right
 
it is totally natural to want or hope that your sister will change, that she will someday become what you need or want her to be. That's completely normal. Unfortunately, some people just aren't capable giving others what they need. In some cases, the other person sincerely may not now how to change , in other cases the other person simply doesn't care to change. (What's for them to change if they're already perfect in their own eyes right?) I agree with what Saint Nik said about reading up on NPD.
 
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