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Which Is Better? Good Sleep Hygiene? Or Rest?

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Like so many others, it's very hard for me to get good sleep. It's very hard for me to get up on the days...

It's a catch 22. We need sleep to heal, but we need to heal to sleep.

I think getting in sleep while you can gives your body the rest it needs to heal. Therefore rest is the priority.

I think the logic behind the sleep hygiene principle of going to sleep at a set time is good and ideal. However, I think it is more important that we get a minimum amount of sleep. Think about the healthy people who have the luxury of being able to sleep at long stretches but choose to go to bed at irregular times. They end up feeling tired even though they are getting 8 or 9 hours of sleep because they go to bed at different times. For these people, being disciplined about a sleep schedule will improve their sleep. However, they are already getting a minimum amount of sleep so they have a different baseline for sleep.

However, for someone with PTSD who has trouble sleeping and likely does not get enough sleep, I think we are best served by getting more sleep. So if you are tired and want to take a nap, you might end up getting a more restful sleep at that time, than you normally would at night. It may allow your body to perform some of the processes it performs for health during this time.

For me personally, I found that the more I prioritized sleeping whenever I needed to, the better my sleep became. I did need to tolerate sleepiness a lot, but ultimately my sleep improved. There were times when I went to bed at 7 pm because I was so tired and then needed to just get out of bed at 4 am due to the early sleep time, which was abnormal. The next day, I would just see if I could make it past 7 pm a little bit but I wouldn't push myself too hard. My body adjusted. I would also go through cycles where I would not be able to sleep well for days. Then I would sleep really good for 10 hours out of pure exhaustion. The next night I wouldn't sleep well because I didn't have the exhaustion built up. But I would ride out that cycle and let my body do what it was doing. Eventually I was sleeping for 4 hour stretches consistently and then 6 hour stretches and so on.

If you sleep whenever you can, you can still do other things for sleep hygiene, like avoiding stimulating substances and activities before bed, and having a pre-sleep ritual. This will give eventually give your body queues that it's time to sleep. Also, make sure you addressing any nutritional deficiencies. Stress depletes us of important nutrients required for sleep. For me, I sleep better when I take magnesium before bed. My point is that even if you prioritize getting a minimum amount of sleep, you don't have to throw out sleep hygiene altogether. I just think we should try to force our bodies to sleep the way a healthy person does. If we have burnt out adrenals due to the constant flashbacks, our bodies might not work that way.

Hopefully, all of the different opinions give you food for thought, but ultimately it's your body and you should listen to it. What worked for me or someone else might not work for you because we are all different. You may want to experiment with different things but I would recommend honoring and listening to your own body and intuition.
 
getting in sleep while you can gives your body the rest it needs to heal. Therefore rest is the priority.
Ugh that's what my father always said! I think you're right - but your words sent me to one of those parental things that drove me nuts ;)

I would recommend honoring and listening to your own body and intuition.
This. Applies to everyone - and applies extra to people with PTSD and other ailments that can disturb sleep.

Thanks, Sweet_E, for explaining these ideas so well.
 
I had to keep track of my sleep to figure out what was more important to me. For me, good sleep hygiene is more important. I am more likely to have a nightmare in the morning if I sleep in, so it isn't worth it for me to try to get extra sleep in the mornings. Getting less sleep but getting up at the same time works better.
 
I had to keep track of my sleep to figure out what was more important to me. For me, good sleep hygiene...
I am more likely to have a nightmare in the morning if I sleep in,
If I used this method, I'd never sleep - which is how that damn sleep clinic had me up for three nights straight. I'm the exact opposite... I have nightmares all night but if I sleep through the morning, that's when I get a couple of hours of decent sleep. The type of "good sleep hygiene" described in this thread is TERRIBLE for me.

I'm starting to think that good sleep hygiene itself might be a myth.... which is NOT what they say in books like "No More Sleepless Nights". There's a very specific set of rules - which believe me, I've tried, out of desperation if nothing else. I have nightmares every single night. I've been told "You must be doing it wrong."

There should not be one set of rules that is "good". It implies that what I do is BAD. It's actually bothered me for quite a long time - like it's a moral failing on my part.
 
Like so many others, it's very hard for me to get good sleep. It's very hard for me to get up on the days....
Hi Mari. I'm sorry to hear about your trouble finding good quality sleep. I'm not exactly sure whats best for your case specifically, quantity or quality...but I do know what's worked for me is kind of a combo of both. Like you, I could hardly wake up in the mornings (i have to get up at 6 am as well).

What I decided to do was focus hard on improving my quality of sleep. But i did it in baby steps. The idea is to make adjustments that we can maintain for long term. And to do that, i think making small attainable goals for improving sleep is essential for success.

A few areas you might want to consider are 1. screen time curfew 2. caffeine curfew 3. Evening Snack curfew 4. Exercise (even 10 minutes in the AM) 5. and Daylight exposure. 6. Making sure I'm asleep during the hours of 10pm and 2am...these are the most beneficial hours to get sleep! This is a very simple and shortened list of many things that worked for me. Let me know if your interested and I can send you more of what has worked for me.

Regarding sleeping in more...many people recommend doing everything you can to try and maintain a similar schedule, even on your days off. But try treating yourself to waking up an hour later on the weekends instead of your usual work day wake up time. Then if you feel like it would help, try to slowly increase the amount of time you are sleeping. Slowly is the key here. Start by going to bed only 15 minutes earlier each night.

So I think you could really see change if you focused hard on improving quality of sleep.

I recommend reading Sleep Smarter by Shawn Stevenson. This guy turned my sleep world around. Lots of good info in that book...conventional and non conventional methods.

Good luck!
 
If I used this method, I'd never sleep - which is how that damn sleep clinic had me up for three night...

I think the standard sleep hygiene stuff makes the most sense for people who are physically healthy. I also sometimes get the best sleep in the morning. For me, I think this is because I have issues with my adrenals/cortisol. I still have to take a saliva test to confirm but it feels like I am wired with cortisol at night and it takes till morning for my body to calm down. And I'm not thinking about anything stressful.

I practice my own version of sleep hygiene which means I let myself go to bed as early as I need to - sometimes 7 and then I let myself wake naturally, usually around 7. This approached eventually resulted in better sleep where I would sleep through the night normally after going to bed by 10, but I've had a rebound - I think due to overstressing my body with physical exercise that was too intense for me. Now I stick to walking, cleaning the house and yoga. I clean another family's house, but now I don't work as hard at it as with the initial deep cleaning.
 
Since I don't have a job, the only thing I have to be awake for is letting the chickens out of the coop in the morning. I usually wake up between 5am and 6am, but I take naps. They are wonderful.
 
Since I don't have a job, the only thing I have to be awake for is letting the chickens out of the c...
DharmaGirl - I think this was one reason I was awarded disability on the first go-round - I couldn't reliably get up and be alert going into an office at specific times. Even dragging myself to work after a bad night... it's not safe. I don't drive without a certain amount of sleep. Which is a PITA where I live now but hey, what can you do.

I'm with the posters here who say: "Sleep whenever you can." My primary caregiver has worked really hard to help ingrain that into me!

It makes sense that the standard sleep hygiene suggestions for generally healthy people do not necessarily work as well for a lot of people who have PTSD and/or other mental and physical illnesses.
 
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