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[stillstanding2]

You back for the hug. :hug:The world doesn't recall when Texas had intelligent leaders, but we actually did. I knew Ann Richards, and she left a brilliant legacy. Remember her "Poor George speech" at the convention? I also met Johnson, who signed more civil rights legislation than any other President. He nearly ended the Vietnam War before (repug) Nixon secretly sabotaged the Paris Peace Talks. Nixon later (and illegally) expanding the war into Laos and Cambodia. For years, Sam Rayburn, from Texas, was the quintessential Speaker of the House.

None of those people would have given Ted Cruz the time of day. Trump would have been bluntly exposed for what he is, long before he became a threat.

 

[EveHarrington]

This thread sort of died, LOL.

Not sure what I think of Bernies speech tonight.

If he wants to allow every American the chance to vote and that's why he's trudging on to DC, I respect that.

If he's going to drag it out to the convention, I seriously have to question if his campaign REALLY cares about defeating Trump or if it's all about Bernie right now even though the only way he'd get the nomination would be if God forbid something happened to Hillary-------he cannot beat those numbers. The Democratic Party needs to come together and solidify.

Hey Bernie, don't be a Nader that helps the other side win! (Different than what happened with Nader but could give the same result.)

 

[hodge]

I've also begun wondering if Bernie is kind of all about Bernie. We desperately need to keep Trump away from any kind of power. There's a lot at stake here and we all need to be at our best through this.

Yes, Bernie, we really don't need another Nader right now. Really don't! Bow out gracefully and do what you do best in the Senate. We need people like you there.

 

[BlueDream]

I'm not sure what about Bernie Sanders record over the last 30 years would make you think that he's out for himself. He is one of the most selfless lawmakers that we've ever had in the United States. You're saying the man that marched with Dr. King is in this for himself, that his core beliefs that he's held on to have all changed and he's in it for himself.....lol

I find that while have PTSD, I started obsessing over a particular topic, be it a presidential election or whatever.
I have decided it's probably not wise to pin all of my hopes and feelings on something that could possibly not happen, therefore I have taken a step back from politics. They are a major trigger for me when I am following them daily, so sorry I have let the thread die.

On July 25 in Philadelphia Pennsylvania we will find out what's going to happen with the Democratic nominee. If he doesn't get it then he'll run as an independent. Only this time we have a generation of millennial's that will actually go out and vote for him unlike the 92 election when Gen X couldn't outnumber the baby boomers.

 

[hodge]

Blue, I've always liked Bernie. I hope you are right that there are enough millennials who will vote for him, but what if there aren't? Do we really want to take that risk of letting Trump get anywhere near the buttons? There is a lot at stake in this election. If Trump weren't running, I would go along with letting Bernie run this risk, but not with Trump being so close. Can you imagine the horrors of a Trump presidency? There comes a point where I think we have to be pragmatic. I've always been idealistic, but this is not the time for idealism. This is a time to protect our democracy, because Trump threatens it at every turn.

 

[EveHarrington]

Where is this idea that Bernie will run as an independent coming from?

There are no news stories to this effect which means it's gossip amongst his die hard supporters------not to be taken seriously at this point.

His internal leaks haven't even said anything to this effect. (That was on the news last night, too.)

The idea of pushing toward the convention isn't solely out of a desire to run for president. This idea has been splattered across news stations for awhile now-----part of pushing on was to push the agenda.

The part that makes it seem like he's out for himself is that he's not allowing party solidification. Please don't give me "he's an independent/socialist" rhetoric when he's running in the Democratic Party. If he breaks off and runs as an independent then he was essentially USING the Democratic Party to advance himself. Not cool, actually a bit disgusting and it would make him like every other smarmy politician out there.

An independent bid? Not likely IMHO. He won't have my support.

But------I don't believe this is an end goal. I think the push is to advance his causes, not his run for presidency.

It's a major oversimplification to think that it boils down to millennials outnumbering baby boomers. Not quite IMHO (and data backs this up). Are you aware of the other demographic breakdowns? (I am.) An independent run by Bernie would fail as it would split the liberal vote.

 

[hodge]

Umm, can I just say a word about politicians? I well know how this got to be a dirty word, but, honestly, politics is how things get done. If we didn't have politics, we would have something worse, as in like North Korea, for example. Politics is essential to democracy. Yeah, it's not pretty or very often fair, but it's the best we have. And it's better than a dictatorship. Give me our often lacking politicians over a dictator any day. And that includes Trump, who is nothing but a dictator in the making.

Okay, now am running and ducking :-)

 

[Heather]

@hodge I am with you all the way on that sentiment re: trump.

 

[Anarchy]

Okay, now am running and ducking :)

Wisely so ;)

we need to decide what to do tomorrow - does not imply that we all have to be forced to do the same thing tomorrow

politics is only how some people force their decisions (and the paying for them) onto others. North Korea is close to the end member of "much politics" - some decide for others and force that decision onto those others

it isn't "no politics"

no politics is, individuals choosing for themselves and owning the consequences
no politics is also - not forcing injustices onto others