News Snipers In Dallas.

[The Albatross]

No PTSD is not thicker than anything @hodge - kindred ship or not I just won't drink the kool aid to belong. There is no hostility though there is a distinctly different, yeah divergent interpretation of events.

 

[The Albatross]

"Muddying the waters and character assassination seem to be fairly usual when a cop murders someone" Is that what really happened? I don't tend to be so quick to decide that. Nor should you.

Why in the world would Castile have been involved in a convenience store robbery? He had a good job for 14 years in the school system as a nutrition supervisor.

So let me get this straight, instead of letting your fingers do the walking you postulate and improbability without credible source. Eh okay, bullshit.

 

[Anarchy]

Hi Alby,
I'm not looking for entertainment, and I'm not trolling.

even if I don't have a dog in this, I have been bitten as a result of previous dog fights that I had no dog in.

I was saving up to buy a mini 14 in 1987, when Britain had its first mass shooting, and they were subsequently banned. I used to do a fair bit of pistol shooting and had to "surrender" my pistols in 96 and 97, after another mass shooting. The gentleman who's indoor range I used to use (and keep my guns at) lost his business as a result of the ban, businesses were not compensated, the financial chaos which that caused him and his family led to him taking his life.

I've taken an interest in such events because the aftermath has a very nasty habit of taking an interest in me and in people who I know.

I'm watching this and occasionally commenting, based on what I've learned from looking into the rabbit holes leading off from previous events.

We'll probably never know what has gone on in the background of the events of the past few days, but it is easy enough to see possible perhaps even plausible parallels.

We know the playbook of the three letter agencies; particularly entrapment of vulnerable and easily lead individuals - in over half of the 508 terrorism cases prosecuted in the united state since 911, the three letter agencies have had a hand in creating the "crime". in some cases the individuals now in prison were merely bit part players who were cajoled and pressured into a scripted plan.

We know from the example of the Weaver family at Ruby Ridge, what happens when someone refuses to participate - refuses to become a snitch or a patsy.

We know full well that "false flag" operations and plots are a big part of swaying and shaping public opinion, and always have been. I'll offer you Alan Frankovich's three part BBC documentary about "Operation Gladio" as exhibit A
Gladio staged pretty much all of the supposedly left wing terrorism in Europe between the mid 1960s and the end of the 80s, the Bologna train station bombing alone killed over 80 people. Giulo Andreotti, finally confirmed the existence of Gladio in around 1989- he was Italian Prime Minister at the time.

I'll offer you Guido Fawkes, and the purge on Catholics that his framing and show trial enabled as exhibit B, to give a flavour of the longer term historical dimension.

To say that I am sceptical and cynical about political figures and institutions would be an understatement. Fear and the false promise of a little protection in return for our freedom and possessions, has always been how politics has worked.
The figureheads of politics are seldom the wise and moral characters that they are supposed to be, and I make no apologies for mocking and deriding them.

 

[Anarchy]

"Muddying the waters and character assassination seem to be fairly usual when a cop murders someone" Is that what really happened? I don't tend to be so quick to decide that. Nor should you.

I've seen it happen plenty of times before, when it definitely was murder.

 

[The Albatross]

Hmm. I thought this was about Dallas. Just curious which one or are you sayin' both candidates are racist?

 

[The Albatross]

Maybe at Gizmo, you're saying the shooter was being racist? Dunno, thoroughly lost on this one now. I think I'm gonna go watch a western.

 

[The Albatross]

Once again it seems a divergent and oppositional opinion and factual events that are not kow towing to the generally popular theme/opinion are whined against. This time no one could tell me to start my own thread. Darn I hate that when it happens. Newsflash peeps, I am personally engaged in current events as well and have my own feelings, sentiments and opinions. I don't respond well to ignorance of the facts, nor in the absence of that, falling on a sword that says "PTSD trumps everything". Try telling anybody else that and see what you get. Nada, nothing, bupkiss, squelch, zip, zero, nada.

Nobody wanted to talk about all the cops that got shot after this incident. Nobody want's to talk about who Johnson actually was. I damn sure am not about to apologize for that.

 

[Ronin]

I think one of the issues here is, people hoped to talk of the complexity of the issue and how it makes them feel, their security worries and how the recent events affect their PTSD - which is all on topic and thematic.

Now here's that lovely piece of 'PTSD doesn't trump everything'.
It's silencing, Alba. Or at least it can very well be read that way.

Though shrug. We are in can't take the heat, get out the kitchen section of the forums, after all.
But perhaps a bit more consideration wouldn't hurt.

 

[scout86]

Why in the world would Castile have been involved in a convenience store robbery?

He probably wasn't. It's possible that the vehicle and occupants were similar to someone who WAS involved in a robbery, and the officers may have thought THAT was who they were stopping.

They ran a story on the Twin Cities' news tonight that mentioned how often Mr Castile had been pulled over for traffic violations. It was a crazy number. Nothing bigger than a speeding ticket, mostly trivial stuff, mostly dismissed. I'm nearly twice his age. I've been pulled over a few times. Twice I can think of for what I'd call stupid shit. (Most memorably by a member of the Oklahoma Highway Patrol for driving the speed limit in the left hand lane. Not kidding! He screamed at me and let me go. Also not kidding.) Anyway, the statistics sounded a lot like "driving while black, to me." But, I haven't spent my whole life in Minnesota and have spent most of my life in rural areas. Maybe if you live in the big city they stop you more often. I HAVE spent a fair amount of time driving vehicles that were held together with duct tape and soup cans. Drove for a whole year in FL with expired tags and never got stopped. So, I was kind of stunned that this guy had nearly 60 traffic stops (not violations, stops)

That would be counterintuitive, as you'd think female officers might find themselves on the wrong end of a struggle more, or afraid for their lives more, simply due to size/strength.

The man who sold me my first horse told me, "There will be a lot of people who will tell you what you can and can't do because you are a girl. Don't you believe them! no one is stronger than a horse, you have to be smarter." That's been good advice. I've always felt I have an advantage in my job, over a lot of guys, because I use my brain to deal with problems more often than trying to out muscle my "clients". Perhaps the same thing applies in law enforcement? Perhaps it's not about masculinity as much as it is about women needed to learn other methods of conflict resolution to get along in this world?

. He had no concealed weapon's permit to carry in that county but may have in another.

At least locally, they haven't offered anything official on a permit to carry. I've heard his sister interviewed, talking about how they took the class together and how proud they both were to get their permits. I'd bet she was telling the truth. In this state, permits to carry are issued by the county sheriff but they are valid state wide and also in what ever other states honor a MN permit.So it wouldn't matter what county issued his permit.

As far as charging a police officer with murder, "just like anyone else", in a situation that's "just like anyone else", they will. When an officer is on the job, they are allowed to used deadly force when it's "reasonable". I don't have the exact wording in front of me but it's to the effect that they "reasonably" believe they need to do so to protect the lives of themselves or others. "Reasonable" is a tricky word.

So, how about this for a possible scenario. The two officers saw a car that matched a suspect in a robbery. They were understandably on edge as they approached the car. The victim did as he thought he should and informed the officer that he had both a permit to carry and a gun. The officer saw something he perceived as a threat and fired. An innocent person died as a result. I don't know that ANY of that is true. I don't know that I'd call it "murder", but I'm not sure what the law calls it either. The officer may have been operating with an enhanced fear of black men. I don't know that, but, IMO, that counts as "racist" even if he bears no conscious animosity towards black people.

Personally, I'm waiting for them to announce that the shooter in Dallas had PTSD. (Just sayin') That would kind of cover all the bases here, wouldn't it?

I really don't think there's a grand conspiracy here, on any side. I really don't think there are many, if any, police officers who get up in the morning thinking, "I'm going to kill a black guy, first chance I get!" I DO think there are a few officers in law enforcement for the wrong reasons. I also think, sometimes, training is lacking, and more attention should be paid to "how to handle stuff without it blowing up in your face". Some departments are good at that, some aren't. I don't know about the one involved either here or LA. I kind of wonder if, maybe, there's a cultural thing that sets it up so some black men display an attitude that means one thing to them and another to people from other ethnic backgrounds. I truly don't know, but it would explain a lot and ought to be dealt with through educating
all concerned if it's the case.

Everyone here knows what kind of affect fear and adrenaline can have on your ability to think clearly and accurately. It can have a LOT of affects, some good, some not. Everyone involved in all of the situations is merely human and way less than perfect. For the most part, people on all sides are just doing the best they can. Unfortunately, sometimes that's not good enough.

 

[The Albatross]

Like I said, he was pulled over because he fit the description of someone... there was a BOLO out. It was the county sherrif's office who commented about whether or not he had a "CONCEALED weapons permit" in that county.

I also believe I did comment that one could exist in another county. Did I not?

 

[scout86]

I also believe I did comment that one could exist in another county. Did I not?

You did. I wasn't disagreeing. I was merely saying that, in this state at least, it doesn't matter what county issued the permit, a permit is a permit.

I haven't spent any time researching this story, beyond what's been on the local news (since it's somewhat local). Your sources are ahead on reporting on the permit. Last I heard that information hadn't been officially released, but that was yesterday.

 

[Anarchy]

Matching the description of...

has been stretched beyond credibility in the past - for example two Hispanic ladies delivering papers with a blue Toyota Tacoma pickup.