News Black On Black Racism Within The Black Communities.

[Deleted member 12723]

I have been listening to Black conservatives for awhile now and I realize that it is a very big issue for Black conservatives. What I have heard and seen has really opened my eyes.

In quite a few of the rap songs, derogotory words are against women and all kinds of violence. If Trump says Political Incorrect things that offend people why are white people so silent about the worst of rap music?

This has been going on for such a long time and very few have raised their voices on the topic.

I have learned about the Black attacks upon Black Conservatives and more and more of them are couragously raising their voices and I have been getting history lessons as well.

I like that all races are Americans as well. I have heard black conservatives call Obama a racist. I think people are waking up and finding their voices for the first time in my life.

Any comments?

 

[Pencil]

Whites tend to view blacks as a homogeneous mass. It is part of the patronizing attitude that passes as PC, and which really irritates me. South Africa has a number of tribes, and the worst racism is seen among them.

 

[NatBird]

I have been listening to Black conservatives for awhile now and I realize that it is a very big issue for...

Hi Gizmo

Here are some comments:

Oppression is oppression, all people are capable of it.

Oppression cuts across social co ordinates.

Often people collude in other peoples oppression because of gains to be made.

For example, I'm a black queer woman but a black heterosexual woman may not ally with me just because we share this 'racial marking'. She may infact contribute to my oppression if she feels that will garuntee her importance, status in a black patriarchal setting.This happens across all groups.
This might go some way towarss answering the Trump and 'Black on Black' aspect of your question.

There's a discourse that folks are now calling Intersectionslity. If you're interested to know about processes described above, amongst other things, it might be worth a look.

There are derogatory messages about all kinds in many kinds of music. What you identify to be 'rap' is not the only one. Many people use that style of delivering lyrics and create work that is affirming and uplifting.
The way this genre is appropriated and re presented is often 'racist' in itself.

I put racist in inverted comma because I don't believe race really exist.
I do believe/know oppression does.

 

[joeylittle]

Trump says Political Incorrect things that offend people why are white people so silent about the worst of rap music?

They aren't. If you want to learn about this issue, this essay is a good place to start: Dead Link Removed

I believe it was written in 1999.

This one specifically addresses violence in rap, also 1999
Dead Link Removed

This has been going on for such a long time and very few have raised their voices on the topic.

Again, no.

I say this without meaning to sound snarky - but an issue being new to you isn't the same as it being new.

Also - all rappers aren't black. The form definitely arose from black artists, and that first link I gave you will talk more about its very old historical roots.

So, the very specific dialogue about black-on-black violence and how it is represented in rap...is a very specific dialogue. The apparent glorification of violence in rap music is not much different from the glorification of violence in white music (Google 'heavy metal music controversy' to start learning about it).

All political movements capitalize on general statements that support their agenda in order to sway/affect public opinion. Ultimately, it's never bad to get tuned in to an issue - but if you want to understand the issue, always make sure you keep digging a little on your own. That's my advice.

 

[lostforgottensoul]

I realize that it is a very big issue for Black conservatives.

I would agree with this point, partly. I do talk politics in real life and very open minded to other's view points and Ive spoken to many black people that are conservative that have been emotionally beaten down by other blacks (per them) in Obama's first term because they werent for Obama and that meant to many that they were against a black man when they were actually against his stance on this and that.

I do believe that inside of his second term more and more Americans were more and more aware that they too disagreed with his stance on this and that so that changed a bit, in my view of it but Im not black and dont want to speak for those that are. I just heard less of it from conservative blacks in his second term.

As for rap music, that was already addressed but I will say that my opinion of rap music, personally, has changed over the years as I see less and less vulgar and more and more uplifting, including Christian rap music, expressional without bad English of using the F word every other word and I now like some rap and respect all as a very expressive type of art.

 

[UnKnown-Self]

Black on black racism, violence, devaluing women, hating police (authority often abused) and the "gang mentality"

We all learn what we live.

If I wrote rap music in my late teens and early twenties about my life to that point, it would be full of angry hate, frustrated oppression and those having power over me using it to abuse me. Hell, if I wrote rap now about my past it would include many angry f*ck yous to peers, superiors and society who had the power to help and turned away.

Is the "gang mentality" any different then the "class aware" whites who are only aware of the color green and how their amount of it and growing up with it puts them above others without. They wear certain clothes, carry specific bags, stay a certain weight and all their conversation both verbal and silent are about judgment. There is a lifetime of pampering and entitlement that they carry in their walk and the small looks between each other when in the company of one who obviously does not measure up.
No they don't use guns but they can be viciously violent tearing someone to shreds, secretly attacking reputations and letting them know, you don't belong here. Simply because you are not polished. When you are being sized up, you feel the devaluing and judgment. The have no problem with the police but I bet none of them would not even consider going on a date with a cop let alone marry one.

I don't like rap that is violent and encourages devaluing of women. But many of the rap songs behind all the angry words tell a story of a child living and surviving in an atmosphere of constant vigilance and real danger. They live their lives around violence in and outside the home.
Then when they rap it and it makes a lot of money and privileges they are incapable of handling on any kind of mature level, their frustration and anger grows.
Their dream growing up that if they had enough money they could escape it all. But wherever they go, there it is.

Would you willingly live in a violence filled neighborhood? Neither do they but they have to play the hand they're dealt.

Pointing to a people as a race who create their own problems, is deflection away from yourself and taking a look in the mirror to ask, "What have I done to inspire change?"

I would think those with PTSD would understand more how living in violence affects an individual but perhaps I am wrong.

Would I go into a known rough neighborhood of any skin color and try to inspire change? No because common sense tells me I would be unsafe. Not only on a physical level but my fear would be too triggering emotionally.

Nor would I try to convince a group of women who wear a pair of shoes that cost more than my rent that I belong because common sense tells me it would be unsafe. I devalue myself enough thank you very much and that would be just as dangerously triggering emotionally as walking through a gang infested neighborhood.

Class-ism, racism, any ism defining "being accepted in our group by sharing our beliefs" making anyone who thinks differently unacceptable is not for me.

Perhaps I am judging too, I am human. But I consciously try not to.

Before judging walk in their shoes and know the fit is no more comfortable for them than it is for you.

 

[Deleted member 12723]

Thank you all for voicing your comments I really do appreciate this so much.

I confess that I have not been watching the news for the past three years and am trying to understand and comprehend all that I have been hearing.

So thank you for taking the time to give your references and opinions.

 

[UnKnown-Self]

I don't watch the news either @gizmo.

One thing to remember, the "News" is a controlled perspective and opinion of people in power.

 

[lostforgottensoul]

But many of the rap songs behind all the angry words tell a story of a child living and surviving in an atmosphere of constant vigilance and real danger. They live their lives around violence in and outside the home.

This is very true. When you just read the lyrics, it can break my heart to hear just how much pain is behind all that anger.

It is just incredablly heart breaking!

But rap in general has also changed through the years. There are way more positive and uplifting rap songs and less voilent worded ones.

I wrote a poem on here that if you change a word here or there and add a word here or there and add a beat, it very well could be a rap song. Rap is an art of expression. It is taking something like poetry and adding a beat. It can very well articulate what is in one's heart very well.

 

[Deleted member 12723]

I am not watching the local news at all. I am surfing the net and discovering so many new and different views being expressed, it is a breath of fresh air to me and I especially like Milo.

 

[sedna]

Brave topic to bring up @gizmo! What I always think about when the topic of racism is brought up, is an old documentary that I saw in a psych. class many tears ago. I just googled it to refresh my memory.

A school teacher in Iowa in 1970 did an experiment with her students and filmed it, its been shown in psych classes every since, like the doc. about authority figures with Stan Milgram.

This teacher had a 3rd grade class and told her students to divide up based on brown or blue eyes, then convinced them that the ones with blue eyes were superior. Prior to this the students had already established friendships and concepts of themselves in that class.

They resisted the change at first, but being the age they were, they quickly adjusted to it and the resulting documentary is fascinating.

I've not known many black people honestly, they're just a minority wherever I've happened to live in my life. I have noticed with the black women I've known that they openly admit to being extremely hard on each other in ways that are racist. You cant generalize and those were they few I'd gotten to know.

Frankly I can say that I've heard the exact same things from Hispanic women too....more importantly, it's only women I have this in person experience with, none of my experience is really relevant to your thread. My experience with racism personally is dealing with Hispanic prejudice where I live.

The thing I always consider is that people need to remember how enormous our country is before they make snap judgments based on their limited in person experiences. Sometimes I see the Black Conservative comments as being accurate, but I've forgotten that I live in an extremely liberal area where you'd be an outcast if you were openly prejudiced against blacks. I have a friend in Baltimore that says he can relate to the lyrics in rap songs from what he sees everyday, and laughs at that because he has to remind himself he's white. He grew up where I did, very white and very liberal.

I have relatives in other States and have been shocked at some of the comments they'll make. I believe that's probably fair to say black people that dont agree with Black Conservatives and are angry about their attitudes are probably in the right.

I've seen the same type of police profiling that black people live with directed at Hispanics in my area, and Hispanic law enforcement officers target white kids in low income areas as payback for it. It's different because of the history of black people, and the fact they feel the entire history of the treatment of black people is a part of the current issue...but is it?? I'm not so sure.

I do habitually read the news and belong to news forums, I see comments from all over our country that reflect opinions I cant even wrap my head around. I've noticed that white people seem to direct their prejudice of Obama on his Muslim back round more than race, and black people harp on his white mother making him not black enough.

I was totally shocked by Trumps comment on Obama having " body language that shows he's hostile towards police" or close to that, its not an exact quote, during his speech about sympathy for the fallen officers.

My God, that was such barely veiled insinuation that he's a black conspiracy member. Trump is tough to trust in regards to intelligence, he's either targeting a voting market at the expense of civility or he's a bigot in my opinion.

 

[Deleted member 12723]

When I first created this thread, honestly I did not expect anyone to respond. I think having a civil discussion here is awesome and I so appreciate all of you weighing in.

I am pretty new to so much that I have been listening to and watching online and I am noticing things that I never noticed before. I believe that knowledge is power. And the more informed and educated I evolve into has really opened my eyes to so many things I never thought of before just because it never occurred to me before.

I have been listening to as many different and varied opinions as I possibly can.

Thank you all for your assistance to me.