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Learning to trust after trauma is not simple or quick. Perhaps be more patient with yourself. The sou...

Hi @GrayOwl -I think I don't trust myself, my feelings and my trauma.

I did see my therapist yesterday, cried the entire session asking "what's wrong with me?" She said I have COMPLEX ptsd and I live in a toxic environment -it may take awhile till I feel better.
 
I think trust is far from an all or nothing thing. I would say I don't trust anyone, but actually that'...

Yep @Suzetig -I also see myself more screwed up then she does.

I have come along way in two years-but trusting is always in the back of my mind. (Especially before I talk about my trauma)
 
If you're still in a toxic environment it is *absolutely* understandable you feel this way. You probably will for a long time, and feel free to tell your therapist when you meet her that that is how you feel-make sure to tell her that it isn't anything she's done you just find it very very hard to trust someone.

You can start with liking. Liking is a good place to start. It's fine. You don't have to push too hard, too fast. It will come if she's the right fit for you. If not, keep in mind that your meetings have client confidentiality. You can talk, and work your way to trust.

We all have our own pace, and if yours means working on trust issues, I can guarantee you're not the first patient she's had with them. It's perfectly okay.

It's only if she does something that undermines your trust in her that you have to tell her-or it won't work. The communication between the two of you needs to be clear and honest.

No worries, you're seeing her and making progress and you like her, as long as you don't start protecting her from your <insert> because you like her too much, you're safe. If you do, you should probably tell her that too :P
 
way in two years-but trusting is always in the back of my mind. (Especially before I talk about my trauma)
That makes sense though because you're placing a lot of trust in her when you talk about trauma.

I know for me I'm trusting she'll still be accepting of me, that her view of me won't change, that she'll be able to hold me safe while I do some very painful work, that she'll help me cope emotionally etc etc. And with each new trauma or element of trauma I have trust that all over again and each time she proves herself trustworthy it becomes slightly easier.

I guess this is around for me just now because after 3 years and lots of hard work, I have a very trusting relationship with my T, more trusting than with just about anyone else in my life but I'm taking something to my next session which I've touched on a few times but really want to get properly into. And I'm utterly shitting myself that this will be "the thing", while also knowing it won't be, because I know her.

I'm sharing because it might reflect some of how you're feeling, trust is a hard thing for so many of us and is built so slowly and tested out so much. Your feelings sound very normal to me. I've found it helpful to talk to my T about how I'm feeling about her and my relationship and trust issues around for me. Maybe worth talking to yours about too?
 
I know I am late to this, I just wanted to say that I can relate to what you are saying. I even told T this morning that I am just waiting for him to see me as worthless as I believe I am. It sucks because I KNOW in my logic brain, he would never think that about me and that it is not true - but my emotional brain wants nothing to do with it. Ugh, it is heart wrenching at times how much I want to trust him and believe him - but I feel as though I can't let myself.
 
Sorry @Snowflake. My reply really was a question for @GrayOwl ba...

Yes. Absolutely yes. I believe you can make a conscious choice to trust, to care, and to deal with the cards you have been dealt with.
The choice part is a "YES", an absolute. The first part of any journey begins with what? The first step. One step only. That's all. And that is making the choice to move your foot that first step.
After that, the results will never be an absolute. They will be a process. And here I have to ACCEPT that progress, those changes, at whatever pace they come to me. I have to wade through my anxieties, my frustrations and goals, my fears, my memories, my hopes, interpersonal relationships, triggers, etc etc etc ...... it's more complicated than the fri#%@%in weather for Pete's sake !!!!!!!!! ..............and Whoa!! Whoa!! and WOW I get so wound up cuz I'm not trusting and I'm not better and OMG I'm not this yet................ and....... so........... I........ just........ slow........... down....... and accept that it is a process. And it is happening in my life if I just keep trying.
Gray. Not black and white. Gray. It means somewhere in between. Somewhere in between not trusting at all, never, and trusting totally.
So, yes, I work very hard on GrayOwl"s patience and acceptance, and I put one foot in front of the other as often as I trust myself to be able to accept the results.
About that TRUST though: Suzetig said it perfectly: "Trust has been a slow, evolving concept".
All humans are fallible. All relationships and interactions are subject to interpretation. I have to learn what my definition of "trust" needs to be.
This is where , in my life, acceptance and patience, balanced against my wounds and pain, is so critical.
I have to accept that people, even those closest to me, have their own needs, thoughts, and paths, and that their actions, although at times seem hurtful or triggering to me, were truly not meant to be so, but were merely a byproduct of being in the same "space" together, all of us jostling around in the same little box. When I accept more of that, I begin to have trust that is acceptable within my boundaries. I trust that they did not mean to hurt me, not that they would be perfect.
I have applied this in my life and I am finding that under revised "trust" guidelines, there is improvement in my life and my attitude. It is slow. It ebbs and flows, so it's not always forward progress. It can hurt and be triggering. I am very careful (wounded animals usually are). I always try to have support nearby (mainly you guys, so Thanks!!), and exit routes and safe havens planned and available. And I am learning to spot predators and bullies much more perceptively.
To never trust again is a sad place. I'll take the chance that I might get hurt in order to have some trust in my life and a few meaningful friendships or relationships. I am so very careful, though. But, yes, it's been about 4 years since my worst trauma, and I am feeling, yes "feeling" the change that comes with putting that frightened little foot forward in front of the other one. It's a good feeling when it works, and worth working for. Just don't feel it has to be perfect. It's just "Gray".
I'm learning to pick the friends and the trust out of the minefield that is life.


(postnote: no intent to hijack Snowflakes' thread. The thoughts I expressed relate closely to how I view my relationship and trust issues with my T and closest sponsor. It has taken me many many years and been a slow process. But I see progress, feel it, make adjustments, and accept patiently, that it is occurring in my life today. So grateful for even the slightest progress.)
Thank you Snowflake for a very good thread.
 
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Yes. Absolutely yes. I believe you can make a conscious choice to trust, to care, and to deal with th...
Thank you for clarifying your post. I guess I'd have to be somewhere in a zone of gray or black. Depends on who and what the circumstances/people are.

As per the thread, I do trust my T as he has given me no reason in the last 4 years to doubt. We've gone through bouts where either in session or out where I've withdrawn and lose trust completely, but the relationship is strong enough that time and work has helped to restore it.

I do believe that what he says with regards to how he views me is the truth. I tend to need to hear it from time to time (as recent as two days ago).

Trust as a whole is very difficult as the loss or broken trust is part of my initial trauma. I was also very trusting of people in my circles after the trauma had to learn the hard way that I need a lot more discernment and caution than before. I believe I've become a lot more hardened and naturally suspicious of people even if they deserve the benefit of the doubt.

When my mind goes into protective mode, my responses are much more mechanical and to some extent, can sound rehearsed. I'm not convinced that I'm doing that intentionally.

It's hard to find the balance as @Snowflake has said. Once broken, trust is hard to reestablish. I do hear what you're saying though @GrayOwl . Food for thought.
 
After the other day - Wednesday before Christmas I believe we CAN conquer brainpathways if we really want to. I had discovered a peice of information about my main abuser. At once it felt like the room was swimming I could have easily 'fainted' but I refused I remember two things:

1. My abuser wants me to faint - lose time - whatever the fancy word for it is. I got up wobbly and went to work. Next evening, I got up and found my self collapsing near the door. I did momentarily lose time and as I lay on the floor I could feel oblivion coming for me. I made my self shout out loud:

No! No! No! I won't let you f**king win!

Got up and staggered about my business.

It was Christmas, no family, friends away and rescue cat to be responsible for (he was an abandoned and locked in an empty house for 3 days). All through my life I have 'zoned' out at horrific knowledge or acts. Might still again, but I am changing my life and everytime I regress, I understand why, but CHOOSE to fight not just the brain path way that helped me to cope with savage sexual abuse as a tiny child, but the mangled brain damage, distorted belief systems, incredible at times oversensitivity, a brain pathway that even now when I am exhausted might tempt me to fantasie about taking my life or worse even do it.

But still the answer to your question

'Can we ever beat our damage, is probably, yes.'
 
Thank you Angela Corgan for very encouraging words.
It's hard work emotionally. And it can be painful. But I also believe that it can bear fruit.
The hypersensitivity lessens. The pain abates ever so little and so slowly. I begin to feel better about things and handle things better.
I am grateful for any progress. Your message gives me strength.
 
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