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Childhood Justified Child Abuse..?

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I politely disagree @purpleswirled . I don't think it is ever justified regardle...
no problem @Lionheart777. I didn't mean any offence. I am unusual amongst other child abuse victims because i was a pretty abusive and angry child myself. therefore i was not an innocent victim. my sister was a well behaved kid and did not contribute to her abuse in any way. i envy her that tbh. I wish i hadn;'t been abused but if i had to have been id want to be like my sister who can hold her head high and know she did nothing wrong
 
abuse is horrendous but for a very small percentage of abused children it is not a black and white question of bad parent and innocent child. by ther time i was 7 or 8 years old i no longer had innocence. that is when my behaviour went from just needy, neurotic, anxious, shy to bolshy, aggressive, bully.
i still had the same fears and anxieties- they made me a clingy neurotic nightmare. my dad was used to bullying and abusing us all. i was a sensitive highly strung child and he didn't know that i needed to be handled more gently than a NT kid.
yes his behaviour hurt me but he didn't know how to deal. he was a good man who did a bad thing to his family. on my sister and mothers behalf i feel sad and angry. it is clear they were nice people.
My dad said i didn';t have a conscience so i was different to other people. my MH workers say i have a conscience but am disturbed and that s why i am different to other people. i wish i was normal- nice self effacing, pleasant and sweet but i came out the womb kicking and screraming! :) That is just me.

and i am responsible for the feelings of resentment and bitterness i have aganst him. the Bible says we all have to take account for our part in it. My sister needs to be told she was innocent and to have her self esteem built up. and accept she was wronged and wronged badly. i, on the other hand need to accept my dad wasn't being unreasonable- he just hadn't been taught the right tools to discipline a sensitive difficult kid like me. he was a man who loved me trying to do the best with what he had- and he thought his brutal treatment of me would help. he couldnt have realised it would make me fearful, depressed, and anxious. i'm sure if he had any idea that is what it did to me he would have beeen upset and repentant. But he always told me i was thick skinnned so it didnt matter if he would tease threaten mock and belittle me. He says i just need to get over it and that i wasn't an easy kid to deal with

my father was a prophet and he told me God had told him i was faking my ptsd and just feeling sorry for myself. i kind of know the abuse wasn't really that bad but i have a need for it to be that bad if you know what i mean. i need to have a sense thsa tmy abuse mattered. so i pretend to the world and myself that it damaged me. i prefer to think of myself as a trauma victim than someone with BPD.
i probably was born sensitive to developing Borderline PD but that makes me feel screwed up to think that so i persuade myself the abuse must have caused it. i know this is disingenuous behaviour but as soon as my DBT therapist told me borderline is often linked to trauma i jumped on that bandwagon because i feel that it explained everything.
there is no question thast i was abused- legally it fits the criteria for abus ein my country and i later found out as an adult that some people had wanted to get intervention from authorities. i accept as a small child the abuse wasn't my fault and on some level must have hurt/affected me. however i chose to react badly to the abuse and i chose to feel sorry for myself. the buck stops with me. i could accept i have a mental illness
and would have had anyway even if i'd been treated like a princess. which is the truth. but i am unable to let go of the narrative that i ama true victim. i was always jealous of my sister not being to blame when it happened to her- she can give herself compassion and receive it from others and i wish i could do that.
i wish i had her "right" to do that.. but i am not her and when i learn to honestly accept my part in it and repent before the Lord maybe that is when my healing will start. But i don't feel i can accept that the problem was me. i cannot take blame for anything because it means losing my ego

I'd rather keep on pretending the abuse damaged me though. I'm just not ready to admit that it didn't damage me and that i used it as an excuse. i am ashamed that i need this "excuse" but somehow it helps me to keep living another day. if i had to accept that i was a bad person who was partly responsible that would break me.
i ahve always had a fragile sense of self that needs propping up and this "CPTSD" of mine is a way of gettting that validation i need to feel whole. it is like those people who ask doctors to amputate their limnbs because they need the identity of a disabled person.
i need the identity of an abuse survivor., i hate that i need this identity but i do. i contemplate suicide at the thought that maybe my dad wasn;t to blame and maybe i am overreacting. deep down i know i am overreacting to the abuse but this need to have the minor trivial abuses i went through validated drowns out that sense. i need to keep drowning it out.
 
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apologoies for massive thread hijack. i zoned out a bit there and have jsut seen ho wmany posts i have writtren. sorry,i tend to lose track of times and get lost in zoning out. it somehow comforts me. from what? anxiety and self doubt maybe?

to be fair i did try to tell my dad once how his behaviour was making me anxious and that i wanted to die. he told me to stop being so stupid. i was scared to mention it again. i always hid my problems from him as best i knew how from then on. it wasn't worth always being yelled at. so to be fair i didn't help myself because i didn't make it obvious to him how bad i was feeling.

he loved me. he wouldn;t have wanted me to feel bad. i think he just didn't know how bad it made me feel becua ei dwonplayed it., we are all people who downp-lay things in my family. he honestly didn't know. i cannot blame him for not knowing when i should have been firmer in telling him. but i was nervous of him, i naively believed he was a bad man who wanted to harm us.didn't love us.
 
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...It strikes me, how much you feel you have to defend him and blame yourself, even though you can cle...
When i think about my sister and mother who were innocent i do feel a justifiable anger. wjhen i feel angry on my own behalf it is not justifiable yet for some reason the anger i feel about what he did to me is bigger. it shouldn't be but i am probably just selfish.
 
what did to me was nothing in comparison. yet it makes me feel horrible. if that makes any sense??? He told me GOd told him i was faking PTSD for attention. I am a Christian (Jewish by ethnicity but christian by belief) But it hurts my heart how the God i serve didn't believe me either or think i should just suck it up....i really realte to the poster who said she had been branded Whore of God. i had the Bible thrown at me like that too- told how wicked i was being and that i was demon posessed and a "witch."
 
Our abusers program us to hate ourselves so we don't put the blame where it belongs, on them. You're not...
Brenton i wish i could get beyond feeling like it was my fault. What Ragdol Circus says resonates with me personally. sadly the therapist i am seeing now does not accept that i need to tralk about the abuse. she acknowledges that i have CPTSD but says that if a parent loves their kids but does thoings to them thayt legaly is abuse then it isn't the same as actual abuse becaus eno malice was meant. When she said that, I was devastated. it was like she was saying i couldn't call it abuse or receive help for it. like it didn't hurt just as much
 
.....you think you deserved the abuse and therefore your feeling coincides with that belief.

A parent can love you and still be abusive towards you....However, a parent that abuses their child does not love them in a healthy, unconditional way.

The child could have said, "Hey mom and dad, please abuse me today" and if they did it, the parents would still be at fault because they are adults with a responsibility for that child's welfare.

No matter how bad you were or what you think you did wrong, no child deserves to be abused.

I think your therapist is wrong. I think it is healthy to talk about your thoughts and your feelings.

I used to blame myself too because I was taught that it was my fault...I was wrong.
 
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@purpleswirled , what he did would be called spiritual abuse.
I would suggest considering that your dad was not speaking on behalf of God.
He was speaking his own self-delusion.
God is love, not abuse.
You do have PTSD, you are NOT making it up.
You are allowed to feel as angry as you feel, it is not selfish.

I had a parent who detested me -my dad- and abused me.
I have a parent who was abusive and DID love me. And I disagree with your therapist.
Mom did a great deal of damage too, even though her abuse was much less extreme, much more psychological.

My experience is that being loved AND abused makes it more confusing.
 
No matter how bad you were or what you think you did wrong, no child ever deserves to be abused.

But me, my mind says.

It isn't always that straight foward. Yes, my rational side can agree but the most foreground mind says that what they did, forced me to do, and what all happened was fully and completely justified...because it was done to me and I am bad. And god told them to.
 
@lostforgottensoul ,

You are right, I didn't mean to be insensitive.

I used to blame myself too and I took a mighty vengeance against myself for what was done to me, what they made me do, because I believed God was punishing me. Punishing me for: being sensitive, being feminine, having hate in my heart, etc., etc., etc.

I was wrong on all counts...but it did take a long time before I fully understood that I was not to blame, mentally and emotionally.

I apologize if I seemed harsh or uncaring.
 
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