barefoot
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Sorry....this is going to be very long but I would really appreciate being heard and receiving some input.
I have written about my therapy/therapist plenty of times here before.
Often, in my responses to other people's threads, to show that there are good therapists out there who care and hold good boundaries and who put client's interests first and who will sometimes go above and beyond to be in service to their clients.
Sometimes I've posted in a state of anxiety because of minor miscommunications/her occasionally dropping the ball eg her saying she'd call and then she didn't call.
More recently I posted about how I felt very insecure in therapy because there was uncertainty about our future work together because of fees. The last few months have been stressful therapy-wise because of that insecurity/uncertainty. However, we got things sorted, agreed fees and the last two or three sessions I had with her were great. We felt in a good place together. We felt back on track. She was a big help (she was helping me prep for a surgery). And it felt like we made good progress with the work - as though a couple of things had shifted for me that we could then pick up and build on when I returned to therapy after my surgery.
My last session with her was 1 March. I am currently on a break because of recouperating from the surgery. I told her the break would be a month or so - she said hips can take a while and doctors are often overly-optimistic, so she wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be more like 6-8 weeks, so I should take what time I needed, rest up and give myself the best chance to heal and recover. We didn't put our next session date in the diary because I wasn't exactly sure when I'd be able to get myself there. So, we left it that I would get back in touch to book in a session when I was back on my feet.
I've seen her pretty much weekly for almost three years I had planned to finish the session on 1 March by touching on the fact that I was about to enter into the longest therapy break I've had in all that time and that that felt weird. I wasn't massively worried about it. I just thought it felt odd to not "speak to that" and get some kind of mini closure before the break. As it turned out, towards the end of the session she asked if I wanted a session the following week because she was supposed to be away that week but now it looked like she wouldn't be. So, I said yes to a session the following week and she asked me to email her to let her know the times I could do. So then I didn't bring up about the break because I thought I'd roll that over until the next week. That evening, I emailed her with times for the following week. A few days later, she emailed to say she couldn't do the following week after all, so let's touch base before my surgery (which was about a week later). I wasn't exactly sure what she meant by "touching base" but thought I would take a punt and ask for what I felt would be useful. So, I replied saying if we could have a quick call the day before my op, that would be really helpful. We have had the odd 15 min call between sessions before, so I thought it was worth asking. No reply. The day before the surgery I texted to ask if she had any time that day for a quick call. She replied that she was fully tied up with work until 9pm but that she could call me at 10pm. I felt bad asking her to call me so late so I said that to her and said not to worry about it.
Next day, I had my surgery. Got an email from her in the afternoon asking how I was and how it had gone. And she said her working day had run later than anticipated the day before so she hadn't been able to call me at 10pm after all. She said she hoped it had gone well and that I was having a successful start to my recovery.
The surgery went well but, despite all my good intentions and planning, I got massively triggered when I was with the anaesthetist just before I went into theatre. It was a horrible experience. I felt terrified and humiliated. On reflection since, I think the feelings were related to past stuff, which have formed a key context of my work with my therapist. I think it was the first time I had tapped into that and actually felt it. So, even though it felt horrendous, on reflection, I think it may be progress. And I didn't dissociate - again, I think that's progress. And I really want to talk it through with my therapist a) because it was horrible and traumatic and I just want to clear that out a bit and b) because I think there are signs in it (e.g. actually feeling those feelings and staying present) that things may be shifting for me and this could be an "in" to trying to engage with this aspect of our work again (dissociation has always got in the way of me really being able to go there and do that work)
So, a couple of days after surgery, when things had settled a bit and I felt less woozy, I emailed my therapist back and told her that I think the op had been been successful but that this other thing had happened and I'd lost my shit a bit - I told her some details including some specific links to things with a doctor when I was a kid that we had talked about before - and that I was having a hard time emotionally.
She didn't reply. I was feeling upset and anxious in the aftermath of the experience and was having lots of intrusive thoughts about old stuff. And I wasn't feeling my best after the surgery/general anaesthetic. And I felt very lost and alone with it. In the past, she has encouraged me to email her stuff as I sometimes get overwhelmed and my voice gets hijacked in sessions, so she sees this as a good channel for me to express myself and considers it valuable for our work. I don't do this very often at all as I don't want to take advantage of this offer and wouldn't dream of just pinging her emails all the time. She has also said before when she was going on holiday for a fortnight that I could drop her an email to say hello, just to keep in touch/stay connected if I was finding the break difficult. I didn't do that - and didn't feel I needed to - but I appreciated the offer. So, a few days after I let her know how the surgery had gone and that I was struggling, I emailed again asking if it was ok if I keep in touch a bit via email during our break so that I could stay connected. I also said I had an appt with my consultant the following week so I'd hopefully have a better idea then about when I could go for a face-to-face session (it takes me roughly two hours on public transport to get there, so I had to be mobile enough to be able to make that journey)
She emailed me back saying me emailing her wasn't a way forward for her and she suggested we have a phone session when I was feeling up to it so that we could work through any issues in a structured, therapeutic way. I was quite surprised as she has said before that she doesn't really like doing phone sessions and when she does do phone sessions she doesn't like to get into too much heavy stuff because she is not physically there with the client. And I felt a bit rejected and confused on the email front but, in the circunstances, I could see how a session would be more beneficial. So, I appreciated her offer and felt that a session - albeit on the phone - would be much more useful than me just firing the odd email her way and not getting any reply (although she has encouraged me to email in the past, she doesn't often email back) I replied that, yes please, I would like a phone session as I was struggling and wanted to talk through the hospital stuff asap.
No reply for a few days.
I then emailed to ask if she had any availability on the following Wednesday as I could maybe go and see her on the same day I was seeing my consultant as they are based near each other and my partner was driving us there. She said she was fully booked all day that day and that, "due to professional commitments" it was taking her time to work out her availability for a phone session. She said to leave it with her and she would get back to me when she had a firm time she could offer me. A week later, there was still no word from her.
I had my appointment with my consultant yesterday and got the green light to come off crutches. Physically, I am feeling good. I emailed my therapist last night, told her I was making good progress and that I was now able to book in for a face-to-face session rather than a phone session, so could she let me know her next available session time so that we can get that booked in asap.
She replied this morning saying that she is fully booked until 8 May and that she imagines there will be some changes along the way and that she will let me know if she has any cancellations before then. She didn't actually offer me a time, so I still don't even have a concrete session booked in the diary.
I don't understand what is going on here. I feel like something's changed but I don't know what/why. I feel like I've done something wrong but don't know what.
I don't understand why she offered a phone session but that didn't actually give it to me. I don't understand why, up until our break, we were booking the next week's session in at the end of each session and now it's that I'm having to wait two months to get time in her diary. I don't understand how I'm going to be able to get in her diary after 8 May for regular sessions if she really is so fully booked, I don't understand why emails have always been ok - and in fact she has encouraged them - and right now they are no go. I don't understand how she has gone above and beyond for me seveal times in the past - texting to check in after difficult sessions, phoning doctors for me ahead of appointments to help lay the ground work for me, once meeting me for a cup of tea and waiting with me before a doctor's appointment - and now, something significant and upsetting has happened around the main childhood trauma we have held as a context to our work all this time and I have told her I am struggling and she is just nowhere, not offering any kind of support or acknowledgment that this has happened and that it is hard. I don't understand how I am reaching out because I need her (and she knows how hard that is for me and I rarely do it) and she is nowhere, offering nothing. I'm not asking her for a favour or for her to give me special treatment or for her to do something above and beyond and I'm not rampaging over any boundaries here. I am just a client, who is having a hard time, who is just trying to book her next session with her long term therapist.
I know that she is incredibly busy. I know that the next few weeks includes Easter, which means that she will lose one of her two weekly private practice days to bank holidays so her availability will be reduced. I know she has sometimes gone on holiday around Easter, so she may also be away at some point over the next few weeks. I know she has a tendency to be inconsistent in some aspects of her reliability - largely because she can be quite forgetful and isn't the most organised person. I know that we were uncertain about how long I would need a break for so, of course, I didn't expect that she would have had me pencilled in at the expense of being available for other clients if I then couldn't make it. I know she doesn't get into stuff on email beyond logistical stuff. I know her email tone is generally oddly abrupt, formal and quite cold even though, in person, she is not, so I am trying not to dwell on the fact that she doesn't sound very caring in these latest emails.
But I don't think I am being unreasonable, in the context of our relationship and how we have worked together in all this time, that I am now in this position of really needing her support and there is nothing. And seemingly nothing I can do about it. Once again - as with the fee discussion - it feels like the ball is largely in her court. It feels like I have to just wait. Or I have to leave.
I feel frustrated, upset, angry and just so, so worried. Having had a rocky time as we got the whole fee thing sorted and then felt like we were back in a positive place and doing good work, I am now convinced that there is more to this than diary logistics and bank holidays and that she doesn't want to work with me anymore. I'm worried that she is just fobbing me off in the hope that I will just go away. Or that I will get to my appointment on 8 May (assuming I actually manage to get a specific time from her in the diary!) and I will be ready to launch in to the work and everything I've needed to talk about since my surgery and she will hijack the session by telling me at the start that we're done.
I have emailed her back - a very honest/vulnerable but also calm and measured message. I have asked for a specific time on 8 May so that we get something concrete booked the diary in case no cancellations come up before then and I also asked whether we could book a few fortnightly sessions in after that because otherwise I am worried about how she will be able to fit me in with how chocka her diary is. I've also said I didn't expect it to take this long to get back in her diary and that, therefore, I hadn't expected this therapy break to be so long. And I reiterated that a lot has happened and it's been hard and I feel in need of some support. I also said I feel very anxious that perhaps this delay isn't just about diary logistics and I've asked for some reassurance from her on that as that will really help me while I wait for my appointment. I don't expect she will reply with any reassurances. But I wanted to put that out there and express what I feel I need.
Sorry this is such a long ramble. I don't even know what I'm hoping for by posting this...
I'm feeling very fragile. I suspect that most people reading this will tell me to get a new therapist but, to be honest, if you all just pile in telling me to get rid of her, I don't think I will find that helpful. It will just be upsetting for me at the moment. I *know* I could look for a new therapist, I know that is a serious option and it is something I am starting to consider.
I am just so attached to her. And she has been great in so many ways. The last couple of sessions were brilliant and I thought were going to springboard us into the next phase of our work after my surgery. As I mentioned, some things seem to have shifted in the last few weeks, which I really want to go and pick up with her to move forwards with the work. Me feeling those feelings, not dissociating, me being able to start engaging with talking to inner child as prep for the op - these things all feel like examples of major progress just in the last few weeks. I can't bear to think that I'm not now going to get an opportunity to pick this up with her.
If I can get back in there for more sessions (i.e. I get a specific appointment time through, the appointment happens, I don't get fired) I do think I need to address the consistency issues with her. I need to bring up the impact those things have on me. I then need to see whether she is willing/able to do anything to address the, and, if she can't, I need to make a decision about whether I can tolerate it or whether it has become too big an obstacle. I'm just worried that I won't even get that opportunity because she has already decided that she doesn't want to work with me anymore.
I know I am feeling very anxious and upset - about this situation with her and because I don't think I have really calmed right down after my triggering experience at the hospital two weeks ago. I think my stress cup overfloweth! So I know my anxiety is just rocketing off the scale about all sorts of things for no real reason and I'm not sure how good my judgement is with things at the moment. I also know I have a tendency to mind-reading, black and white thinking and catastrophising when I feel in this state. My partner thinks my therapist is handling this badly (and could totally fix this for now by sending one reassuring sentence) and she hates seeing me this upset. But she also thinks this isn't a sign that my therapist is going to fire me.
So maybe that's why I'm posting. Maybe I'm looking to see whether anyone here can give me any reassurance that my therapist might still want to work with me. And I know you can't possibly know that. But if there's anyone who thinks that this isn't necessarily my therapist wanting to stop working with me, that would be good to hear.
And I suppose I'm just looking for some different perspectives on this. Not just what I want to hear ("there thee barefoot, I'm sure she still wants to work with you") and not just "get a new therapist!" But the other stuff in between. What is the stuff in between??
I feel like I'm losing my f*cking mind with this therapy situation today. And I'm realising how I am still being greatly impacted by what was triggered with the anaesthetist two weeks ago. I thought I was over that. I now don't think I am. I don't trust my judgement at the moment. Maybe that's why I'm posting. Because I don't trust my judgement anymore. And that feels quite scary.
Thank you so much for reading if you managed to make it through this whole post!
I have written about my therapy/therapist plenty of times here before.
Often, in my responses to other people's threads, to show that there are good therapists out there who care and hold good boundaries and who put client's interests first and who will sometimes go above and beyond to be in service to their clients.
Sometimes I've posted in a state of anxiety because of minor miscommunications/her occasionally dropping the ball eg her saying she'd call and then she didn't call.
More recently I posted about how I felt very insecure in therapy because there was uncertainty about our future work together because of fees. The last few months have been stressful therapy-wise because of that insecurity/uncertainty. However, we got things sorted, agreed fees and the last two or three sessions I had with her were great. We felt in a good place together. We felt back on track. She was a big help (she was helping me prep for a surgery). And it felt like we made good progress with the work - as though a couple of things had shifted for me that we could then pick up and build on when I returned to therapy after my surgery.
My last session with her was 1 March. I am currently on a break because of recouperating from the surgery. I told her the break would be a month or so - she said hips can take a while and doctors are often overly-optimistic, so she wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be more like 6-8 weeks, so I should take what time I needed, rest up and give myself the best chance to heal and recover. We didn't put our next session date in the diary because I wasn't exactly sure when I'd be able to get myself there. So, we left it that I would get back in touch to book in a session when I was back on my feet.
I've seen her pretty much weekly for almost three years I had planned to finish the session on 1 March by touching on the fact that I was about to enter into the longest therapy break I've had in all that time and that that felt weird. I wasn't massively worried about it. I just thought it felt odd to not "speak to that" and get some kind of mini closure before the break. As it turned out, towards the end of the session she asked if I wanted a session the following week because she was supposed to be away that week but now it looked like she wouldn't be. So, I said yes to a session the following week and she asked me to email her to let her know the times I could do. So then I didn't bring up about the break because I thought I'd roll that over until the next week. That evening, I emailed her with times for the following week. A few days later, she emailed to say she couldn't do the following week after all, so let's touch base before my surgery (which was about a week later). I wasn't exactly sure what she meant by "touching base" but thought I would take a punt and ask for what I felt would be useful. So, I replied saying if we could have a quick call the day before my op, that would be really helpful. We have had the odd 15 min call between sessions before, so I thought it was worth asking. No reply. The day before the surgery I texted to ask if she had any time that day for a quick call. She replied that she was fully tied up with work until 9pm but that she could call me at 10pm. I felt bad asking her to call me so late so I said that to her and said not to worry about it.
Next day, I had my surgery. Got an email from her in the afternoon asking how I was and how it had gone. And she said her working day had run later than anticipated the day before so she hadn't been able to call me at 10pm after all. She said she hoped it had gone well and that I was having a successful start to my recovery.
The surgery went well but, despite all my good intentions and planning, I got massively triggered when I was with the anaesthetist just before I went into theatre. It was a horrible experience. I felt terrified and humiliated. On reflection since, I think the feelings were related to past stuff, which have formed a key context of my work with my therapist. I think it was the first time I had tapped into that and actually felt it. So, even though it felt horrendous, on reflection, I think it may be progress. And I didn't dissociate - again, I think that's progress. And I really want to talk it through with my therapist a) because it was horrible and traumatic and I just want to clear that out a bit and b) because I think there are signs in it (e.g. actually feeling those feelings and staying present) that things may be shifting for me and this could be an "in" to trying to engage with this aspect of our work again (dissociation has always got in the way of me really being able to go there and do that work)
So, a couple of days after surgery, when things had settled a bit and I felt less woozy, I emailed my therapist back and told her that I think the op had been been successful but that this other thing had happened and I'd lost my shit a bit - I told her some details including some specific links to things with a doctor when I was a kid that we had talked about before - and that I was having a hard time emotionally.
She didn't reply. I was feeling upset and anxious in the aftermath of the experience and was having lots of intrusive thoughts about old stuff. And I wasn't feeling my best after the surgery/general anaesthetic. And I felt very lost and alone with it. In the past, she has encouraged me to email her stuff as I sometimes get overwhelmed and my voice gets hijacked in sessions, so she sees this as a good channel for me to express myself and considers it valuable for our work. I don't do this very often at all as I don't want to take advantage of this offer and wouldn't dream of just pinging her emails all the time. She has also said before when she was going on holiday for a fortnight that I could drop her an email to say hello, just to keep in touch/stay connected if I was finding the break difficult. I didn't do that - and didn't feel I needed to - but I appreciated the offer. So, a few days after I let her know how the surgery had gone and that I was struggling, I emailed again asking if it was ok if I keep in touch a bit via email during our break so that I could stay connected. I also said I had an appt with my consultant the following week so I'd hopefully have a better idea then about when I could go for a face-to-face session (it takes me roughly two hours on public transport to get there, so I had to be mobile enough to be able to make that journey)
She emailed me back saying me emailing her wasn't a way forward for her and she suggested we have a phone session when I was feeling up to it so that we could work through any issues in a structured, therapeutic way. I was quite surprised as she has said before that she doesn't really like doing phone sessions and when she does do phone sessions she doesn't like to get into too much heavy stuff because she is not physically there with the client. And I felt a bit rejected and confused on the email front but, in the circunstances, I could see how a session would be more beneficial. So, I appreciated her offer and felt that a session - albeit on the phone - would be much more useful than me just firing the odd email her way and not getting any reply (although she has encouraged me to email in the past, she doesn't often email back) I replied that, yes please, I would like a phone session as I was struggling and wanted to talk through the hospital stuff asap.
No reply for a few days.
I then emailed to ask if she had any availability on the following Wednesday as I could maybe go and see her on the same day I was seeing my consultant as they are based near each other and my partner was driving us there. She said she was fully booked all day that day and that, "due to professional commitments" it was taking her time to work out her availability for a phone session. She said to leave it with her and she would get back to me when she had a firm time she could offer me. A week later, there was still no word from her.
I had my appointment with my consultant yesterday and got the green light to come off crutches. Physically, I am feeling good. I emailed my therapist last night, told her I was making good progress and that I was now able to book in for a face-to-face session rather than a phone session, so could she let me know her next available session time so that we can get that booked in asap.
She replied this morning saying that she is fully booked until 8 May and that she imagines there will be some changes along the way and that she will let me know if she has any cancellations before then. She didn't actually offer me a time, so I still don't even have a concrete session booked in the diary.
I don't understand what is going on here. I feel like something's changed but I don't know what/why. I feel like I've done something wrong but don't know what.
I don't understand why she offered a phone session but that didn't actually give it to me. I don't understand why, up until our break, we were booking the next week's session in at the end of each session and now it's that I'm having to wait two months to get time in her diary. I don't understand how I'm going to be able to get in her diary after 8 May for regular sessions if she really is so fully booked, I don't understand why emails have always been ok - and in fact she has encouraged them - and right now they are no go. I don't understand how she has gone above and beyond for me seveal times in the past - texting to check in after difficult sessions, phoning doctors for me ahead of appointments to help lay the ground work for me, once meeting me for a cup of tea and waiting with me before a doctor's appointment - and now, something significant and upsetting has happened around the main childhood trauma we have held as a context to our work all this time and I have told her I am struggling and she is just nowhere, not offering any kind of support or acknowledgment that this has happened and that it is hard. I don't understand how I am reaching out because I need her (and she knows how hard that is for me and I rarely do it) and she is nowhere, offering nothing. I'm not asking her for a favour or for her to give me special treatment or for her to do something above and beyond and I'm not rampaging over any boundaries here. I am just a client, who is having a hard time, who is just trying to book her next session with her long term therapist.
I know that she is incredibly busy. I know that the next few weeks includes Easter, which means that she will lose one of her two weekly private practice days to bank holidays so her availability will be reduced. I know she has sometimes gone on holiday around Easter, so she may also be away at some point over the next few weeks. I know she has a tendency to be inconsistent in some aspects of her reliability - largely because she can be quite forgetful and isn't the most organised person. I know that we were uncertain about how long I would need a break for so, of course, I didn't expect that she would have had me pencilled in at the expense of being available for other clients if I then couldn't make it. I know she doesn't get into stuff on email beyond logistical stuff. I know her email tone is generally oddly abrupt, formal and quite cold even though, in person, she is not, so I am trying not to dwell on the fact that she doesn't sound very caring in these latest emails.
But I don't think I am being unreasonable, in the context of our relationship and how we have worked together in all this time, that I am now in this position of really needing her support and there is nothing. And seemingly nothing I can do about it. Once again - as with the fee discussion - it feels like the ball is largely in her court. It feels like I have to just wait. Or I have to leave.
I feel frustrated, upset, angry and just so, so worried. Having had a rocky time as we got the whole fee thing sorted and then felt like we were back in a positive place and doing good work, I am now convinced that there is more to this than diary logistics and bank holidays and that she doesn't want to work with me anymore. I'm worried that she is just fobbing me off in the hope that I will just go away. Or that I will get to my appointment on 8 May (assuming I actually manage to get a specific time from her in the diary!) and I will be ready to launch in to the work and everything I've needed to talk about since my surgery and she will hijack the session by telling me at the start that we're done.
I have emailed her back - a very honest/vulnerable but also calm and measured message. I have asked for a specific time on 8 May so that we get something concrete booked the diary in case no cancellations come up before then and I also asked whether we could book a few fortnightly sessions in after that because otherwise I am worried about how she will be able to fit me in with how chocka her diary is. I've also said I didn't expect it to take this long to get back in her diary and that, therefore, I hadn't expected this therapy break to be so long. And I reiterated that a lot has happened and it's been hard and I feel in need of some support. I also said I feel very anxious that perhaps this delay isn't just about diary logistics and I've asked for some reassurance from her on that as that will really help me while I wait for my appointment. I don't expect she will reply with any reassurances. But I wanted to put that out there and express what I feel I need.
Sorry this is such a long ramble. I don't even know what I'm hoping for by posting this...
I'm feeling very fragile. I suspect that most people reading this will tell me to get a new therapist but, to be honest, if you all just pile in telling me to get rid of her, I don't think I will find that helpful. It will just be upsetting for me at the moment. I *know* I could look for a new therapist, I know that is a serious option and it is something I am starting to consider.
I am just so attached to her. And she has been great in so many ways. The last couple of sessions were brilliant and I thought were going to springboard us into the next phase of our work after my surgery. As I mentioned, some things seem to have shifted in the last few weeks, which I really want to go and pick up with her to move forwards with the work. Me feeling those feelings, not dissociating, me being able to start engaging with talking to inner child as prep for the op - these things all feel like examples of major progress just in the last few weeks. I can't bear to think that I'm not now going to get an opportunity to pick this up with her.
If I can get back in there for more sessions (i.e. I get a specific appointment time through, the appointment happens, I don't get fired) I do think I need to address the consistency issues with her. I need to bring up the impact those things have on me. I then need to see whether she is willing/able to do anything to address the, and, if she can't, I need to make a decision about whether I can tolerate it or whether it has become too big an obstacle. I'm just worried that I won't even get that opportunity because she has already decided that she doesn't want to work with me anymore.
I know I am feeling very anxious and upset - about this situation with her and because I don't think I have really calmed right down after my triggering experience at the hospital two weeks ago. I think my stress cup overfloweth! So I know my anxiety is just rocketing off the scale about all sorts of things for no real reason and I'm not sure how good my judgement is with things at the moment. I also know I have a tendency to mind-reading, black and white thinking and catastrophising when I feel in this state. My partner thinks my therapist is handling this badly (and could totally fix this for now by sending one reassuring sentence) and she hates seeing me this upset. But she also thinks this isn't a sign that my therapist is going to fire me.
So maybe that's why I'm posting. Maybe I'm looking to see whether anyone here can give me any reassurance that my therapist might still want to work with me. And I know you can't possibly know that. But if there's anyone who thinks that this isn't necessarily my therapist wanting to stop working with me, that would be good to hear.
And I suppose I'm just looking for some different perspectives on this. Not just what I want to hear ("there thee barefoot, I'm sure she still wants to work with you") and not just "get a new therapist!" But the other stuff in between. What is the stuff in between??
I feel like I'm losing my f*cking mind with this therapy situation today. And I'm realising how I am still being greatly impacted by what was triggered with the anaesthetist two weeks ago. I thought I was over that. I now don't think I am. I don't trust my judgement at the moment. Maybe that's why I'm posting. Because I don't trust my judgement anymore. And that feels quite scary.
Thank you so much for reading if you managed to make it through this whole post!