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Should i ask for them back?

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Beemo3780

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A little background. My mother died when I was 29, a couple weeks after my birthday. She took her own life after a lifelong battle with bipolar disorder. It was really rough. My father refused to acknowledge my mother's mental health issues, and she really never got proper care. When she was quickly spiraling out of control, she drove her car into two trees, and while she was in the hospital, I tried to have her admitted to a mental health facility. My father blocked it, and my mom was gone within less than a year.

My father didn't even wait a month to start dating his high school sweetheart, and was engaged to her before grass even grew on my mother's grave. He never talked to me about it, and I was the last person to know, found out on Facebook of all places. My father moved in with her, and gave my parent's house to my little sister who has 3 kids and can't afford anything, so he still pays the mortgage and most of the bills. My sister took over the house and all my childhood stuff was thrown out, along with a lot of my mother's things. The valuable stuff that was hers, my father gave them to my now stepmother. This included a lot of things that were important to me. The only thing I have of my mother's is 1 ring and a picture of me and her from when I was little. She collected angels and had a large collection of them, which I also collect them and would've loved to have them. My father gave them to my stepmother and they are sitting on shelves throughout her house.

My father and I don't get along. He's very sexist, racist, homophobic, etc, etc and hates that both my husband and I are democratic human rights advocates. My sister and her husband share his values. My husband is an attorney who is constantly fighting for people, and I also do a lot to stand up for equality such as protest and speak out. My father is also very selfish, and rarely thinks about other people. I'm also pregnant with my second child after years of unexplained infertility, which my father stopped talking to me completely and blocked me on social media when he found out. He claims that my sister just had 2 more kids, he doesn't need anymore grandchildren. He doesn't have any relationship with my oldest even though I've tried for years to get that to happen but gave up. While my mother was alive, she spent a lot of money and had gone to college to become a licensed nurse. My father seems to think I'm responsible for paying back her bills. He has harassed me over money, because he seems to think I am wealthy, which we have our own student loans and almost 2 kids.

I honestly feel like when he gave my mother's things to my stepmother, it was an attempt to hurt me because he knew I wanted those items to remember my mother and pass down to my children. Would it be rude of me to just directly ask my stepmother for my mother's angel collection back?
 
Would it be rude of me to just directly ask my stepmother for my mother's angel collection back?

No I think it is appropriate for you to ask for those things back. I wish you the best with this painful and troubled, difficult situation. I wonder what would happen if you decided after you get the angels, if you could choose no contact with your father? Just a thought.:hug:
 
It would not be rude. I believe that the angels have special meaning to you. I am guessing that your mom didn’t have a will designating who things should go to? Is it possible that your dad loved your mom and that the angels are meaningful to him in some way? Many men re-marry as soon as an ailing spouse is gone. Sometimes it is a sign that the companionship was good, but I obviously don’t know your situation or family dynamic. Some stuff you mentioned paints your dad as an asshole. Or it could be that he just doesn’t understand you or your beliefs so he just pushes you out.

Whatever happens, I hope you get at least some of the angels back. I hope that you have a good enough relationship with your dad’s wife for her to be understanding, maybe even a bridge to positive relationships for your family and kids. However, if this is an abusive situation, cut the toxic ties and work towards moving on with your healthy family.
 
I'm already no contact with my father. The last time I spoke with him, he was very angry that I was pregnant. I'm 37, and I'm married, I support myself, I have a nice home and I'm a responsible person. My sister just had 2 more kids she can't afford, and he has been paying her bills. I also live 10 hours away from all of them.

My father was abusive towards my mother and me. He had cheated on her several times, and her going to college and becoming an LPN was her trying to get her own life, but the bipolar disorder got the best of her. My stepmother is the woman my father would see regularly throughout my parents' marriage and I knew who she was. She was basically his second family. He was engaged to her before my parents were married, but cheated on her with my mother and I became a result of that so his parents forced him to marry my mother. Another reason I know he hates me for. He's never been a very nice person to me. I also hate him for not getting my mother the help she needed, and making it difficult for me to do so.

My mother did have a will. But unfortunately, it was only really valid if my father was already gone because it was a shared will. Her personal items were not listed, and as far as the house goes, it was supposed to be sold and my sister and I were supposed to split the money. But of course, that was only in the event that both parents were gone. My father barely waited 3 months to sign the deed over to my sister. I think he might be rewriting his will to include my stepsister.

I just want to go directly to my stepmother and tell her that the angels mean a lot to me, and I want them. My father also gave her my mother's grandmother's Tiffany lamps, which would be nice to get, but I highly doubt that will ever happen because of what they are worth.
 
I'm already no contact with my father. The last time I spoke with him, he was very angry that I was...
I wish you the best. It sounds to me like you will get nothing from them, so please be prepared for that response. I agree, leaving this man and all of your toxic family is probably the best way to live a decent life. None of this was your fault. I know part of you wishes you received normal love, care and acceptance from your dad. I am sorry that that never happened. I hope you will get the angels back. Would your sister be able to help in this matter?
 
Quite honestly, I think it’s best if you just let sleeping dogs lie. If you choose to ask, then be prepared for not only her anger, but your fathers too. I don’t think it’s a good idea, but we all do, what we feel we have too. I just hope that if the shit hits the fan, that mentally you can handle it.....
 
When things pass to a surviving spouse.... they can do what they wish. That's the fact. I chose to look at situations like that( with my grandmother and then father's estate) as opportunities to work through disappointments.
 
What kind of relationship do you have with your step-mother?

Technically., I guess I'm an ex-step mother, because I've divorced from my step-kids' father. (I still see them often, and their kids too.) If I'd been involved in a situation like you described, I'd have had no problem with the idea of you getting the angels. But, the situation might be more complicated than you know. Do you know, for sure, what your father told her about those angels? If he actually gave them to her to spite you, it might complicate her life a LOT to give them to you, because he'd notice, and ask...... And there's a chance she has no idea what the background is.

If you're on decent terms with her, sometime when it's just the two of you, it wouldn't hurt to tell her what you've told us. Your best bet is going to be to do it without blaming anyone for anything, without any sense of entitlement, and with respect for her situation. And, maybe think small, like one or two that are extra special.
 
Dear @Beemo3780 , I am so sorry for your loss and not sure how recent it is.

JMHO, from my own experiences and hearing literally the stories of others, in the longer run it may be best to let it go. With the understanding your mom would not want more grief for you, and the very reminder of her is within your own genes.

One cannot rationally discuss things when others hold 'facts' that are not in existence.

I honestly feel like when he gave my mother's things to my stepmother, it was an attempt to hurt me because he knew I wanted those items to remember my mother and pass down to my children.

I think you pass down the stories of your mom- much preferable, with your own understanding and love of your mom.

Your dad may be trying to hurt you, but IMHO the one he's most hurting is your step-mom; just as he knows he cheated with her after marrying your mom, you are the living proof he cheated on her with your mom. My guess is she'd rather have all reminders out of her sight. So perhaps it's more about him?

If you're on decent terms with her, sometime when it's just the two of you, it wouldn't hurt to tell her what you've told us. Your best bet is going to be to do it without blaming anyone for anything, without any sense of entitlement, and with respect for her situation. And, maybe think small, like one or two that are extra special.

I agree with the above. But you have now a loving family of your own- that is what it sounds like your mom would have most wanted for you, and thus where she is most present and loved in your heart. No matter what you choose. That love is untouchable, no one can take it or keep it from you.

:hug:
 
Is it possible to go find a few angels similar to the ones you remember your mom having at either an antique or thrift/consignment shop rather than immersing yourself back into those unhealthy energies?

Perhaps make the trip to the shops of your choice a new tradition or part of self-care and nurturing somehow to replace the shitty feelings of how your dad has chosen to behave regarding sentimental items and such.

Reclaim what it all means to you even if you can't do so in material form. Heart hugs being sent your way.
 
It’s not rude to ask. But if you do, keep in mind that if there is sides to be taken, you can assume your dad’s new wife will stick with him. Keeping her things in the house? May be an odd way for him to stay connected to your mum in its own way, even if there is bitterness and resentment on his part.

Also bear in mond that contacting his wife? May blow the no contact arrangement that you have with him.

My paternal grandmother intended stuff to go to her grandchildren, and we never got any of it. There was a plate that she used to bring us cake on each week that I wanted kept by one of us. Didn’t happen. But you know, it’s just stuff. Material stuff. The memories are the important part, and as tacky as that may sound, it’s true. There’s no stuff in the world that can interfere with your memories of your mum now. Not unless you let other people interfere with that.

It would be special for you to end up with your mum’s angels on your shelves, and I hope that one day that happens for you. Maybe this is the time, maybe it’s not. But either way, he can’t touch your memories. And they’re the most important thing. Be careful not to let fighting over “stuff” interfere with the place that your mum has in your heart.

I’m sorry you lost your mum to a treatable illness. That’s tragic, and it must hurt a great deal.
 
These angels are irreplaceable, and very old. Most of them are antiques, a couple of them are over 100 years old. There were about 20 of them. My mom came from a very old wealthy family where her great uncle was a very famous author who never had children of his own. One of those angels belonged to him. There are actually a couple items that were his, like a signed book of his, that are now sitting on a shelf at my stepmother's house, along with 3 Tiffany lamps, and some designer coats that my stepmother has held onto, but my mother was tiny like I am, my stepmother isn't.

My dad was married to my mother for 36 years. He dated my stepmom for 2 in high school. My stepmother had gotten married herself and had two kids, divorced 15 years later. My father was a terrible husband. He was always away on business trips, but when he was home, he was extremely abusive to my mother and me. She was mentally ill, and he made it so much worse. My mother's family hold him responsible for her death because he blocked them from getting her help too. There was a time when I was 12 where my mother had tried to overdose, and my father left the house telling me, "Your bitch of a mother tried to kill herself again, you probably should call 911 if you don't want her to die." Like he just left me alone with her, who by that point was convulsing on her bedroom floor. My little sister was in her room, and I had to call 911 and deal with everything alone. I had to go live with my grandmother for a little while after that. Same thing when she died. He was out all night, came home at 3am and found her dead, called me and told me, "Well, she's finally dead, you'd better get over here and clean this mess up." I had to call my family, I had to arrange the funeral, and then my father stuck me with the entire bill because her life insurance policy was then null and void. I hate my father. He didn't deserve my mother.

Anyway, my stepmother texted me yesterday to wish my a Happy Thanksgiving, and asking how my pregnancy was going. My father was angry that I was pregnant because my sister just had 2 kids, he doesn't want anymore grandchildren, this is my 2nd after like 15 years of infertility issues. I ended up asking her about my mom's stuff because my oldest is going to college and I want her to have some of her family history. Apparently when my father gave my parents' house to my sister, she wanted to throw everything out. My sister and I haven't spoken in 5 years, she's my mother's daughter too, but my dad has always given her anything she wants. My stepmom boxed it up and told my dad that she was going to ask me if I wanted it. He told her that he'd rather see it get thrown out than give it to me. So she kept it and has been waiting to see if I asked for it. So now I'm getting everything back. My great, great uncle's books will definitely be neat to have too.
 
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