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Hellos! glad I decided to pay the forum a visit and found this thread/forum! :) In the grand plan of myself being an handler of a self-trained versus going through a program or taking the unethical method available, I began Training with a trainer with a local Pet store here in town. We've complete our Adult Dog Training which consisted of 12 weeks sessions of Adult I level and Adult Dog II level Obedience and now are working on a specific certified and recognized training. In meeting with a local Service Dog trainer who met and did observe Winnie in a borrowed "In Training" Vest we proceeded to spend time together prior to our ongoing training class a week ago, She observed us as we met and we talked at length about her program and What the specifics are and some current goals I am formulating which is why I have chosen to post to the forum. In addition to this public post, I will be doing a diary post along with some other posts. Thus begins the Journey of Team Winnie. <-- No self promotion intended!
 
My current service dog, N (too unique name to share I think?) is a little miracle.

She can do a number of helpful commands, such as "cover me" (especially useful in public bathrooms, when she can tell me who is where), "let's go" (where she finds the exit of a building, which she memorizes as we go -- she'll sometimes even say she has to pee if something seems amiss), and "go potty" (where she goes to the side and pees or poos instantly if she has to go).

She also detects the coming on of dissociations and will prevent me from going to classes, or other places. She can get me through crowds really well. She lays on my chest if needed (very grounding) and also does a silly pose -- her butt in the air and her head upside down on the ground, while shoved up against me.

She can stay on my chest while waiting for medicine to kick in, and will prevent people from getting too close or helping me up if it's not time yet (she knows). Her only exception is a paramedic or police officer or firefighter -- uniformed people.

She will prevent me from hurting myself if I'm really out of it (she has saved my life) and she is a higher energy dog than most service dogs which is great because I'm always wanting to go out and socialize, and jog and go running.

She's amazing, though occasionally has focus problems. I used to let her nap in college classes and in restaurants, so now she likes to doze lightly in certain settings -- but it seems to be okay. I think her needs are being met :)

She also wakes me up from nightmares.

Sometimes her opinions outmatch my own. She's insisted I have breakfast before going to the library on multiple occasions.

She saved my mom once also, when my mom fell in the street. She did something similar for me, when I landed on my kneecaps and couldn't walk -- she flagged down a car. Not my first choice, but... it worked out!

Unfortunately she's absolutely gorgeous including blue eyes, so people like to comment on her, a lot.. Luckily, I'm rather social. I've grown into it pretty well.

I wish she was immortal.. I'm afraid I'll never find a dog as wonderful again. We do everything together, just like any best friend :)

She gets distracted by cats, always. She loves cats so much. It's probably her biggest weakness... despite all the work we've done on it.



My brain is so used to her that.... well, check this story out!

Funny story:

One time I was hanging out with friends in college at dinner, in a campus dining hall -- therefore, N was on duty. Being very serious. I had no need to pay attention to her.

The person sitting next to me, J, was sitting chair-to-chair with his new girlfriend, L. J and L were holding hands.

After a moment, J (a close friend, although not that close) leaned over and put his arm around me. I knew so because my brain sensed that his arm was around my body, specifically around my shoulders.

I sat very still, to be sure the arm didn't fall/slide off. No one else at the table seemed to feel that anything was amiss, either, and we continued our conversations. It truly didn't feel odd somehow. Even L didn't stop what she was saying to question it.

After the meal, my friends started to stand up to leave, but I waited a moment, politely allowing the arm to leave first. Then, J stood, patting my shoulder and saying "good girl" -- only THEN did I realize that he's had his arms around N's shoulders, not mine!

I told him not to do that again (of course), but it was such a weird feeling to suddenly be aware that N isn't really a part of my body. lol

Apparently this phenomenon is known to be a phantom limb type of thing -- Google "phantom nose illusion" if that's what it's called. Basically, a professor made students identify fake limbs as their own, or get rub the nose of someone sitting in front of them while their nose was rubbed, creating an illusion that the stsudent's nose was three feet long!

So, my brain was thinking of N as part of my body. I thought it was hilarious. She's obviously not, but that's how close we are, to sometimes get illusions about where the end of our bodies are. Lol
 
So, my brain was thinking of N as part of my body.

It's intresting to hear. I am starting to feel like that. I can absolutely feel when Chopper isn't with me. I mean, obviously anxiety, fear, panic, is there and not having those blocks at work (block and cover does so much more then I ever realized before service dog training) are greatly missed, having to navigate alone at work (still in training) and not having the alerts and DPT. And having to navigate all of that alone. But it"s more then that. I feel like I am missing a part of me. Like when you feel like you are going out the door with no pants. That feeling. It's intresting to see the bond we have deeping and he truely knowing what I need rather then what I'm asking (intellengent disobdience). It's truely amazing to watch. I never knew our bond would strengthen and get so much more rich then when he was a pet if I didn't see it myself. Truely amazing to watch really as we are still learning to become a team and to become one.
 
I did all the wrong things in ignorance, emotion, and need, getting my dog. I had just started therapy, which was a brand new experience, with no reference points for support in picking a dog. Because we had little extra income to purchase a real service dog, we went to the Humane Society. I found the sweetest dog and we bought her took her home. She ended up very ill, beyond Kennel Cough, and we had to return her. That put me into a panic and tailspin. Then the volunteer said that they just received a batch of puppies. Having no idea what kind they were, I made the mistake of picking one up. He melted in my hands...he was barely a pound and six weeks old. We went home with the puppy. The T wrote the necessary paperwork to certify the pup as an EMS dog. The puppy got me through the first few rough weeks of therapy. He was a cuddly, warm life-form, that I could hang on to as I struggled to maintain my composure. He went everywhere with me. I wanted to get him in classes and have him eventually get 'papered' as a bona fide service dog. But the cost was prohibitive. As time has gone by, and the pup is 9 months now, I am finding it is not necessary to take him into every store and appt with me. It is enough that he is in the car when I get there. I know he is available whenever I need to touch or hold him.

What I have also noticed is that the dog forces me to be a bit more active. And we have found a wonderful dog park where he can have free play in a fenced area for small dogs. He thinks he is heaven when at the park! But, this puts me in a position of being with strangers. It forces me to converse with them, forcing me out of my self-imposed isolation. The dogs make conversation easier because everyone wants to talk 'dogs'. It is an easy topic and no one gets personal. This makes me have to be social. And when he is on leash, walking with me in the neighborhood or in a store, people also stop and want to pet the pup and talk. So far, they have not invaded my personal space and their focus is mostly on the dog and not me. This makes shopping easier, too.

So, I have come to the conclusion that I do to need a bona fide "service" dog that would be trained to stand between me and others etc.. The EMS category is sufficient. The pup meets my main need of comfort and distraction. And I can take him on road trips with me, staying in hotels at no cost and when I was in the hospital, he was allowed to be brought to my room. This is enough. I am satisfied.
 
He went everywhere with me. I wanted to get him in classes and have him eventually get 'papered' as a bona fide service dog

I'm not sure where you're at but in the US there are no "papers" or certifications for service animals. Also, no matter where you live, please make sure to public access train the dog. You didn't mention it so I thought I would.

Because we had little extra income to purchase a real service dog, we went to the Humane Society. I found the sweetest dog and we bought her took her home. She ended up very ill, beyond Kennel Cough, and we had to return her. That put me into a panic and tailspin.
But the cost was prohibitive

Wow, was just talking about this in another thread. A service dog is a serious investiment and should be largely planned for and researched like your buying a house in my opinion.

Hopefully, with the right training and research a service dog can help.

So far, they have not invaded my personal space

I have. To the point of wanting a patch that says "don't you f*cking dare touch this service dog". I messaged the seller on Etsy to ask if she would take out "f*cking" as it works without thay word but she never got back to me sadly. I have a mobility harness cape that works wonders:

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When you put a vest on a pitbull it magiclly turns into a cuddly golden retriver puppy apparently that everyone wants to touch.
 
I'm not sure where you're at but in the US there are no "papers" or certifications for service animals. Also, no matter where you live, please make sure to public access train the dog. You didn't mention it so I thought I would.

Sorry, my term was a loose one. The dog is legally recognized for my use under two Federal laws: The Fair Housing Act 1968 and the American with Disabilities ACT 1990. I simply have a letter from my T stating that the dog is an Emotional Support Animal protected by these two Acts. As for training, in May, I am putting him in a basic obedience class with a group that trains support dogs. I am not sure I can afford the advanced classes, but I will get the support needed to get him trained otherwise. He is quite trained for public exposure as it is.
 
A service dog is a serious investiment and should be largely planned for and researched like your buying a house in my opinion.
Wha!? You and your pet dog Chopper pulled off the transition to him becoming a service dog pretty well!

I think @Still Standing , the reality is that yeah, ESA’s and Service Dogs require a lot of a cash, but the change to quality of life? Is huge. I was at the dog park this morning with a guy who takes his seeing-eye dog there each morning, and the 2 of us were chatting (as my dog teared around after his dog!) and it occurred to me that neither of us would be out and about, chatting and getting exercise without our dogs. Prettty cool.

Don’t feel bad about the way you went about, at all. It sounds like you’ve given your dog a great, loving home, and that’s the most important thing. It’s always nice to look back and think “I could’ve been a bit more rational there!” But the truth is that people with service dogs and ESA’s? Have a disability, and sometimes that’s a disability that interferes with life happening in perfectly ordered and rational, well-planned sequence!!

I recently had a friend who was able to find the funds to purchase a trained puppy, and it kind of surprised me. Like, who has that kind of money!?

The 6 people in my trauma therapy group that have Assistance dogs? We all had to find a way to make it happen on minimal budget because yeah, having ptsd means having a pretty compromised financial situation for a lot of us, and life rarely follows the very sensible well-thought-out plan that we’d like it to!
 
Wha!? You and your pet dog Chopper pulled off the transition to him becoming a service dog pretty well!

Not sure what you mean by that but ok. Still was planned and prepared for. I researched for months and had a few grand saved. I am now planning a year in advance for my next dog.

There are laws, training standards, and it isn't cheap. So planning isn't exactly a bad thing to do. Research also is a wonderful thing to do. All good things.

Sorry, my term was a loose one. The dog is legally recognized for my use under two Federal laws: The Fair Housing Act 1968 and the American with Disabilities ACT 1990. I simply have a letter from my T stating that the dog is an Emotional Support Animal protected by these two Acts.

Just to correct one thing. ESAs are covered under the Air Carrier Access Act and the Fair Housing Act not the ADA. They also don't have public access rights as they do not have the same training standard. In the US that is. Service animals and Emotional Support Animals are two different things.
 
Thanks, Sideways. I couldn't agree with you more. When stressed and having to make a decision, I usually "grab-n-go" because I am in a process of shutting down...thus the purchase of the puppy, in the moment. In hindsight, I know that I could have consulted with a local dog trainer, but I also know me. I would have been overwhelmed with the correct process and I would have gone into a defeated mode, knowing that I couldn't afford their classes and given up having a dog. So, being ignorant of the correct process was probably Ok, in the long run, as you state. As it is, I sometimes feel like a second class citizen, because I use an EMS animal. Only one person that I have talked to has a bone fide service dog. Another one is advancing to a service dog after saving for it for a long time. In the meantime, she has used an EMS pup. The other service dog owners that use my local dog park, are folks that cannot afford to purchase the dog they really need, so they, too, use an EMS. They are frustrated at how hard it is to obtain one. And some, like me, are physically disabled, so training is a challenge, because of lack of mobility. I wish they had low-cost classes available to train a service dog. THAT would be of real service in our communities.
 
I do know they are two different categories. From what I have read, EMS animals do have public access, except in restaurants unless they have provided an area for owners and pets. And they are allowed in grocery stores as long as they are on a leash and not in a grocery cart. The regular service animals have full public access. And apparently my psych doc is wrong? He has been doing this for years now.
 
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