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What is dissociation?

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Virtues

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I've had flashbacks before, but I'm not even sure I understand the term dissociate? I've heard it used in this forum like a common placed word and I don't even know what it means. I get the feeling that people throw this word around too frequently and are also in the same boat I'm in, not only do they NOT dissociate, but they have no clue what the word means. Maybe someone could shed some light onto the subject for me; I'd like to understand better. I just get super annoyed when someone uses this word and I don't understand it.

Also, I get the Webster definition... what I don't understand is the real application of the word and how it affects real sufferers.
 
You’re thinking that dissociation is more rare than it actually is.

Fact: Everyone dissociates.

Yes, everyone dissociates. Dissociation is a spectrum from the mild daydreaming, and occasional zoning out, all the way up to having separate distinct personalities.

It’s only a problem when it starts to interfere with our lives. It’s only a separate disorder when we meet specific diagnostic criteria.

When people here talk about dissociation it’s above and beyond normal everyday daydreaming type dissociation. I have never gotten the impression that it’s overused here in the least.

Dissociation is not being fully in the here and now. It could be that we don’t physically feel present. It could be that we aren’t mentally present. It could be derealization or depersonalization. It’s a scale from feeling only slightly not in the present to feeling fully out of it.
 
Yes, I agree with the above post! Also, disassociation is not just used when mentioning flashbacks. I used to disassociate quite a bit, and my biggest thing was being completely numb- to the point where I literally couldn't cry, or even feel angry. It becomes frustrating because, I felt so disconnected. However, through a lot of work and pushing I dont think I disassociate anymore, now I cry all the time at my T...it is weird to me since the last year I could barely cry at all...Another way to look at it is, if you were being raped or assaulted most likely you might disassociate and you almost "aren't there" you are physically there and can see, but you go deep within your mind. When I really disassociate, I feel like I'm too scared to be where I am and I "leave" by going deep within my mind if that makes sense? I do think the majority of the people on a PTSD forum would talk about it quite a bit... it doesnt surprise me one bit being that disassociation and PTSD usually go hand in hand..
 
Trying to understand dissociation is how I found this forum. It’s actually a very broad term that covers a range of experiences. It’s used to describe positive and negative somataform symptoms and integration (or absence) of the personality ie structural dissociation.

Some dissociative experiences I have...

Losing time. Time moving more slowly or more quickly.

Not being able to see, speak, move or feel at all.

Tunnel vision.

Room changing in size.

Feeling as though I’m drifting a little to the side and in front of where I’m actually sitting.

Not being in executive control of my thoughts or words.

Amnesia.

Emotionally numb.

Most of my flashbacks I’m amnesiac for afterwards, meaning I completely dissociate through them. Sounds great except that I struggle to understand what is so terrifying. Which is terrifying in itself.
 
Again I've experienced flashbacks. During high stress situations in rapidly deteriorating environments I've experienced time slowing down and tunnel vision. I've day dreamed before. But an "out of body experience" nope, never. I've always been in control of my own body. I don't think this is synonymous with PTSD. Maybe it's more common than I realize, but I've just never had it happen to me, nor have I heard of this or this term with any of the vets I go to group with at the VA. I've only first heard the term used here. Could it be more synonymous with childhood trauma? I'm not trying to be a dick; I really don't understand. I'm trying to wrap my head around it but because I don't share the same experience it's hard to understand.
 
@Florian7051 I think youre response is valid, I dont think you are being a dick at all lol.

But an "out of body experience" nope, never. I've always been in control of my own body.
I think you wrote that as that is what someone has said was one of her experiences with disassociation however, you do not have to have had an out of body experience to have experienced disassociation. I have never been completely out of control of my body or lost time- this is one side of the spectrum however, I have had real problems with disassociation in the past. Disassociation as I understand or depersonalization is losing touch with the present. Such as I used to go through flood-numb cycles where for a few days, my emotions were very shut off and non existent, I felt like I was just existing and then I would be flooded with emotions and it would go back and forth like that- i was awful. This is a kind of disassociation. Problem is its very hard to say when you disassociate it will be like x,y,z because there is such a broad spectrum/range and peoples experiences with it differ... Also, to have PTSD you dont have to have disassociation its just a lot of people with PTSD also have problems in this area. I do think perhaps it is more common with childhood trauma/sexual abuse- because during those instances you most likely have to disassociate, I just think if I couldn't have disassociated during the trauma...I would not have survived. However, there are a lot of circumstances and traumas where disassociation could become problematic.
 
But an "out of body experience" nope, never.
If it helps, that is more typical only in some types of trauma (to mind come near death situations, drowning, the like).

And all types of spacing out and changes in perception you are describing *can be* dissociation. Just a big word for not being quite here andor now.
 
The terms you hear most often with vets is “thousand yard stare” & “cold & hard”.

Two difference facets of the spectrum. Physically here, mentally elsewhere; physically & mentally here, emotionally shut off. Which, yeah, is more of a vet thing. While the whole out of body thing tends to be more of a childhood or sexual assault thing. But it ain’t a hard line.

We just use sciency terms here... which is one way I distance myself from the situation ;) If you see me talking the science? Using psychobabble? I’ve got my professional distance up. You see me talking about zoning out, going cold, etc. ? I’m getting closer. Using f*cks like commas? I’m raw as hell.

Back to science. Cough.

As others have said, it’s a normal spectrum humans just do. (People who don’t at all tend to have another disorder or brain damage).

- Driving on autopilot (halfway to your kids school, not remembering the middle, or when you were supposed to be going the other direction entirely).
- Professional Distance
- In the zone (sports, work, whatever... everything tuned out except exactly what you’re doing)
- Daydreaming

^^^ Examples of the ‘everyone’ side of the spectrum. ^^^

It’s a very normal, even wanted thing, for everyday life. Sliding further down on the spectrum? You find with situations beyond everyday life. That work there, but f*ck up normal pretty hard when they don’t stay in those situations, but bleed out. Emotions off at work? Awesome. Emotions off with your kids? f*ck that. Argh. Shift gears, c’mon, shift. :banghead: Head in the game.

Ha. Found it. >>> Dissociation Explained <<< better explanation
 
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@Friday

I have gotten the "zoning out" while I've been driving (I've always viewed this as normal)... After my deployments I've gotten the emotional shut down, well partially... All my emotions seemed to shut down except for my anger, that seemed to stay in tact. I simply find no pleasure in things any more. The 1,000 yard stare (yeah I get it) I know what it's like for my mind to drift during the waking hours. But I'm pretty sure I daydreamed before trauma (just not about such dark and morbid shit, maybe not as often either).

The strangest "symptom" I have gotten though, is seeing the dead. After I witnessed my girlfriend being murdered I'd see her in crowds (this happened for a long time afterwards, it doesn't anymore). I would try to chase her down and she would either disappear or when I would catch up to who I thought was her it was someone else (usually not even coming close to resembling her, sometimes not even a woman). I don't think this is dissociation, but it was very strange none the less.

The link you posted was a good read. Again I can't relate to any of the "out of body" stuff. I just can't imagine what that must be like. I've heard some people here say that this lasts for days, weeks, months... How do you even function as a human being? My flashbacks last for several minutes; in extreme cases my environment around me changes and I am not where I am, I am somewhere else, somewhere from my past. But, I am still in control of my body; I remember the event once it passes (most of the time I wish I didn't). I have never not remembered what I've done. I have never felt like I wasn't in control of my actions. I have never felt like I was watching my life and had no control of the events that were unfolding. Sometimes I am confused because people and places don't look like what and who they really are, but it passes quickly usually leaving me feel shitty about myself, sometimes even scared, but mostly like I'm a f*cked up mess who will never get better.

For example: The other day I was driving and as I was approaching an intersection; a vehicle was approaching from an adjacent road just a little too fast. My mind immediately went to VBIED and I was back in Iraq. I was in total control of my vehicle, my actions, my reactions, but my surroundings changed for just a minute. All of a sudden that vehicle was a bongo truck, and I was in a HMMWV, and the urban environment shifted to that of the streets of Fallujah. As I swerved and yelled to my gunner (who obviously wasn't with me) just like that the moment passed. I was frightened for a moment, but then more or less I just felt like shit about myself. I can't conceive operating like this for days on end. I can't even fathom this. How do you eat? sleep? drink water? hygiene? have sex? work? talk on the phone? interact with other people? go to therapy? plan for anything besides the moment? get dressed? God forbid you have a husband/wife or worse children... This is all just so confusing to me.
 
I've had flashbacks before, but I'm not even sure I understand the term dissociate? I've heard it...
I have always been confused with the frequency of the use of the term here too. I feel like others must have much worse symptoms than me. I THINK I dissociated, but I'm not even sure. Fridays article was helpfull!
 
God forbid you have a husband/wife or worse children... This is all just so confusing to me.
<grin> When I had children or AM around children, it is actually super grounding, so the opposite.

Ditto when near anyone that is a loved one / cared for / minded. My own bullshit goes mostly sideways if not away. Stubborning up, I may be f*cked up six ways from sunday but there is someone to put first and *do*.

Otherwise? By remembering what to do, with what. Even if the reality ain't straight. Remembering the courses of action, and people by what am I doing with who, which group of people in my life that concrete person belongs to. It's when I can't remember it that's shit.

Doing something that makes sense in the meantime. Weird about compartmentalizing, lot of it learned, brushing teeth can be an enormous goal while driving is easy and moving through & moving others through difficult spots is a piece of cake.. so I do *that* instead. Try to. Having someone else deal with dresscode for me. Stuff like that, just remembering what shifted, & what has stayed.
 
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