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General Planning for Christmas

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Never_falter2

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Is any of you already thinking about Christmas? Yep, I know it is not even fall yet, but could we gang together and make plans how to make Christmas as nice as possible for our guys and everybody else (and for us of course).
 
My favourite Christmasses were the ones where it was just my family. Either as a kid, thousands of miles away; or as a parent taking my son on winter holiday in the mountains at the chalet, not that far away, but still completely removed from normal life. Friends family could still come visit, and often came to ski & hot tub for a few days, but Xmas was our own.

No fancy dress parties, or formal dinners, no obligations & expectations, no work commitments or frantic scheduling, no extended family politics & complications... just us. Doing what we wished to be doing. As we wished to be doing it.

It took a little bit extra to put together in advance, but it meant weeks of fun and relaxing, instead of weeks of exhaustion.
 
So yesterday a friend of ours told us of something she is planning during advent. Me and the kids are invited like last time and them she said “and of course your husband is coming too this time“... which made me quite angry... maybe it is only my country... I always thought Americans are more polite... but I think it is polite to ask if person wants to come before you announce that of course he is coming in front of a number of people and I do wonder why other people do not get how humbling it is to say “well, no, I do not know yet. Please do not ask anymore“.
 
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... I always thought Americans are more polite... but I think it is polite to ask if person wants to come before you announce that of course he is coming in front of a number of people
That’s classic American manners... inviting someone by informing them that they are coming, rather than asking. It’s part of the whole Arrogant-American thing.

In practice, however, there is no more obligation to being told you’re coming, than being asked to come. You can still say no/ maybe/ of course we would love to but don’t know if it’s possible/ etc. ((Although a “no” is almost never accepted, if you decline in the moment, but always accepted later in private. If you say no in the moment, then they must try and convince you. Again, just by custom.)) It’s one of the social dances we play over here. Although different parts of the country have different rules. Yes / no / no / yes... :confused: ... Because I move around so much, and am not always paying attentiom to what part of the country I’m in, I just defer nearly all invites with maybe/would love to but don’t know if I can/ etc. So if I’m supposed to be playing a game :wtf: that let’s fhem play it, but if not I don’t miss out or commit to something.

Germans are far more direct, and are thus careful not to order people around when it would be impolite. Americans order everyone around, thinking people will do as they like, rather than as they’re told, and consider it being “extra friendly” & rather than bossy/rude/arrogant.

It’s also a way we compliment people. The more we like someone, the less “choice” our words show. You MUST come, I won’t take no for an answer! // Of course, you are coming! Etc. just means you’re special to them & they want you (and others) to know that. But just because the words show no choice, the practice is that it is assumed to be your choice, and you’ve been asked, not told.
 
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Actually both of us are from my culture. I just mentioned Americans here because I always thought Americans are more polite. So I thought I must explain to the American reader that in my country SOME people are like this... (and a lot of other people do think it is quite bossy and horrible). However seems to be a cross cultural thing. Sorry for being this misleading.

However I do HATE it... because it leaves me feel humiliated I have to always decline and tell them I do not know if he can come.
 
So if the same happens in the US... what do you answer when people invite you like this. I am sure she wants to b friendly.
 
My wife's trying to tell me no Christmas tree because of the new house. Yeah right. I'd move all the furniture out of here into the storage trailer before I'd do that. I used to have major meltdowns around the holidays. Really horrific emotional train wrecks. We talked about it yesterday. She said "why" of course, and of course I can't answer but, I just relate the story from a Christmas a long time ago when I had just escaped from my mother and her new husband, who were severely abusing me with their alcoholism and emotional manipulation. I was at my dad's Christmas morning, in the house I grew up in, where I fled to escape them, mostly (I think now) my mother.

I sat down in front of the tree (no furniture to speak of my dad never bothered after my mother left) and I wept and I sobbed and I couldn't stop. My poor dad kept asking me what was wrong, and I couldn't answer him of course because I didn't know.

There are at least 5 boxes and totes of Christmas stuff in the storage thingy and it's coming over here starting today. (or maybe tomorrow.) What, me upset? Nah. : )
 
So if the same happens in the US... what do you answer when people invite you like this. I am sure she wants to b friendly.
If shes playing by American rules its ok to say no, I can't make it... :laugh:
@Friday is dead on when she says we tell rather than ask. I've done it myself when I really want someone to come to something ... "you are coming" = Please please come!

And ya, we are very much in our own little bossy world. I know one thing that really throws visitors is that we say
Hi, how are you?
And do not want to know how you are. If you start telling us it makes us uncomfortable.
The appropriate response is
Fine thanks, how are you?

A German friend once told me that Americans are the teenagers of the world. Our country isn't very hold so we haven't learned manners yet. Totally cracked me up! It's scary to think it's spreading!
 
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