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General Secondary PTSD

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Hojay

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I wonder about your guys's experience with secondary PTSD. I'm about 4 months out of my relationship with my CPTSD sufferer. I can take out the normal (yes, agonizing at times) emotions of heartbreak and loss as a variable, which make some logical, emotional sense to me. However, there's an element in how I've been feeling, acting and reacting that feels so foreign to me: panic, uncontrollable anxiety, uncontrollable emotions that won't be assuaged by rational and reason, negativity, feelings of doom, feeling insane sometimes, a hard time picturing my future, etc. (Before you say I should go see someone, I know. I'm at it.)

What's interesting to me is that these above things are exactly what I watched my ex go through for 3 years. It almost feels as if, through a constant heightened state of empathy, compassion, and confusion, I somehow, in some way, absorbed these traits or matched them. And yes, I believe I experienced some compassion fatigue during our relationship. I felt entirely burnt out at times and numb to what was happening (which makes me feel IMMENSELY guilty in hindsight. I've never EVER not felt empathy when someone suffers. I didn't recognize myself.) The worst part is that I was entirely aware of the possibility of absorbing his PTSD and did my best to keep good emotional boundaries (his stuff, my stuff,) but even within the relationship I found myself reacting in ways I didn't recognize from myself...

What I read online is a lot about catching secondary PTSD from being exposed to, hearing about, and vicariously re-experiencing someone's traumatic events. Thinking on it, I don't so much feel that's the case with me as we obviously did not discuss these traumatic events over and over or at any length. It's more that I feel like watching his despair, seeing his hopelessness, anxiety, struggle, and suffering over such a prolonged time changed my own outlook on life. It also didn't help that his anxiety and triggered state often turned against me (though yelling, screaming, cognitive distortions, etc.)...

Thoughts? Any insight is appreciated.
 
I am not sure if this is secondary ptsd but I started reacting to some of my guys triggers as if I had a negative experience with them myself... but I have not had a negative experience with them. It just feels like it.

Did you ever notice when there is a group of people and one person yawns... soon some of the other people will start too yawn too because they mirror the other persons tiredness. You can also see it in little children who cannot yet talk. They will laugh when you laugh be sad when you are sad without knowing what it is about.

So, yes, I think it is possible to mirror another person emotions.
 
That’s spot on @Never_falter2. And yes, I think one of the hallmarks of secondary ptsd is adopting some of the behaviors (like trigger avoidance.)

What you say about yawning and children mimicking is interesting—those things are caused by “mirror neurons” going off in our brains when we watch others; the same neurons we’d be firing as if we were doing those things ourselves. So it makes me think that yes, maybe I did empathize to a degree that my brain started mirroring certain emotions and reactions to a degree that they’ve become somewhat habitual.

It’s discomforting to say the least. I never saw myself as someone who didn’t have a certain amount of control over my own reality. I feel foreign to myself right now. I knew stuff was intense and confounding sometimes within the relationship, but had I known that that could alter how my own brain works, I’d have made a run for it sooner. I always thought I could handle it, and most of it i could. But hell if this isn’t a sneaky side effect I didn’t see coming.
 
I'm not completely certain, because we were both sufferers before we ever met. I'm not sure how the secondary works exactly. Mine's due to my father, in a manor of speaking....but it was from the direct abuse, so I'm not sure. I'm sorry you're feeling that way. I hope you can get it figured out! Let us know! You're in my thoughts.
 
If there was an occasion which constituted a Criterion A event then it is primary PTSD. In my case there were two occasions where I thought he was dead, one occasion where I talked him down from suicide - and that was touch and go over some fifteen minutes - and one occasion where he pointed a rifle at me and threatened to blow my leg off. Each of those is a Criterion A event.

I don't think secondary PTSD is recognised in the DSM and the term is used in a couple of different ways online.

Definately something to explore with a counsellor.

Hugs!
 
? That is so horrible @Sighs. What a horrible man!!!!!!! My vet would never ever do this. So sorry this happened to you. This is something worse than ptsd. Is he still in possession of firearms?
 
@Sighs, oh yes, the things you experienced there definitely qualify as Crit A events. And what a shit show, but you're taking your life back. I hope there's some light at the end of the tunnel there...

I didn't experience Crit A events in that sense, no. I mean, he did, in response to me, threaten suicide on a few occasions, but that's a far cry from actually being exposed to it. Even the yelling, screaming, and psychotic rage aren't Crit A. Though traumatizing in their own way, they're no cause for developing a syndrome. I don't think I'm suffering from PTSD--thank god. But I do think this relationship traumatized me. I have two appointments scheduled, one with a Cluster B PD expert and one with a general talking therapist. I'm not going to let this get me. No way José.
 
@Never_falter2 - I reported the abuse and he has been charged with 11 counts of domestic violence. His firearms were seized. The court case is on 1 and 2 April 2019. The police have told me that even if he is found not guilty of all charges and even if the AVO is set aside they will write to the firearms registry and say he is not a fit and proper person to hold a firearm licence.
 
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