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Relationship First Responder Husband With Severe PTSD Has Left 3 Times

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I am too much of a romantic. I should know by now that the WAY he thinks, the THINGS he thinks about, and his impulsive behaviors are not going to change.
I think this means that you just want it all to go away. Pretend it never happened.

I don't know too many PTSD people, except for on this forum, and everything that is said, is about personal responsibility. That's in everything a person does.
 
The push-pull of PTSD where they need space and then come back (
this is me ^^^
I love you I hate you I love you.
hubby and I have been together 25 years and it's not always been easy, But I have NEVER found the need to hurt him just to make myself feel better and I've never cheated on him. Have I wanted to? Yep, But I had a choice.

The other choice I had was to get into therapy to try to save myself. I took responsibility for that --- because the only other option was to make my loved ones into my punching bag and take all my baggage out on them. I wasn't going to do that - because I love them.

Your guy is CHOOSING to go this route and you are CHOOSING to let him. So I'll ask ya this -- if he didn't have ptsd would you allow this behavior? If he wasn't a first responder would you allow this behavior? If the answer to either of those is yes -- therapy might be necessary for you to help you understand your own thought processes. Because I think at this point your thoughts about why you stay are way more important than his behaviors.

I wish I could say there could be a happy ending to this -- but....
Maybe instead you could look for a different kind of happy ending? One that doesn't involve him?

I'm so sorry you are going thru this.
 
the only thing that is likely to happen here is that he will continue his pattern of leaving, being with another woman and then returning when he needs you again. I have allowed that to happen almost a dozen times in the last 4 1/2 years. It doesn't stop. It doesn't get better.

You are worthy of healthy love. You are worthy of fidelity. You are not a bad person for putting up boundaries and saving yourself.

Peace

Thanks for your reply. I have read your thread about your 4 1/2 years relationship and it sounds awful... in my case we were happily married for about 12 years before the PTSD started. He always had a "difficult" personality, a bit blaming, a bit entitled, black and white thinking etc... but he was an amazing husband in 95% of ways. Maybe I have rose colored glasses though. The negatives were there, just not strongly. For example, he always had a hard time making friends his own age. He got most of his self worth from doing things for others. And giving gifts. But tended to think he never got enough back. Resentment built up.

Now with the PTSD it seems his strong personality features are amplified. He does and does and does for others, way more than he needs to, way more than he is asked to.... and then is resentful and stressed to the max.

Then he starts to feel trapped, and needs to run.

Yes, the pattern is similar to your ex-boyfriend.

He is also a boundary crosser.
 
No one here can diagnose him... and personality disorders in particular are huge diagnoses (even diagnosticians wade very carefully into that territory, often taking months and months of ruling out other possibilities before giving their diagnosis) .... that said? The PATTERN is classic PTSD behavior. The ptsd cup explanation

Where choice becomes involved / personal decision time is how the pattern is filled. How do they choose to manage their stress?

- Do they cheat & start new relationships (like your husband)?
- Do they end relationships & start new ones? (Different thing)
- Do they drink?
- Do they use drugs?
- Do they gamble?
- Do they cut themselves / self harm?
- Do they isolate?
- Do they lash out? (Verbally abusive)
- Do they lash out? (Physically abusive)
- Do they go to bed for a month?
- Do they drive too fast?
- Do they kick into disordered eating? (Starving, binging, binge & purge)
- Do they attempt suicide?
- Do they put themselves in life threatening situations?
- Do they exercise obsessively?
- Do they disappear into their work?

^^^^
These and dozens of other things (both healthy & unhealthy) all fall under coping mechanisms / the way people choose to deal with too much stress. They basically fall under 3 categories.
1. Thrill Seeking
2. Numbing / Avoidance
3. (Illusion of) Control
I didn’t split the list above into those groups partly out of laziness, but also because many coping mechanisms tick all 3 boxes. Drug use, for example, let’s a person choose their emotions (Control) by (Numbing/Avoiding) what they’re feeling, & is often both dangerous and a rush (thrill seeking).

Cheating is another thing that ticks all 3 boxes in several different ways. The danger of getting caught and losing their marriage (thrill seeking) along with the risk of STDs & pregnancy as well as confrontations with their affair partners’ wives/husbands/possible police involvement/work finding out/etc.; the rush of sex &/or of new love flooding their system distracting and numbing the feelings they don’t want to be feeling; & the illusion of control as they’re the ones choosing partners, times, how much risk to take (you finding out, how close to cut it / whether or not to shower, using condoms or not, physical safety, etc.).

One of the hardest things about cheating? They’re banking on your pain. They depend on you being hurt as part of the rush, what makes it exciting to them in the early stages, and then? There “gets” to be this huge emotional cathartic blow out when you do find out. Whether it’s a big fight where they blame you or they get to cry and beat themselves up and beg forgiveness (or both)... it’s a bonus for them. Big emotional blowout about something of their choosing (instead of about their trauma). No different from an addict choosing an upper to feel amazing and then a downer to feel end of the world. No different from an adrenaline junkie getting the high of the extreme sport and the pain/recovery of the broken bone. Or a cutter getting the rush of endorphins from the injury, and then the distracting pain of the wound.

That someone uses bad coping mechanisms to manage their PTSD? Super common. But also not required. As there are just as many if not more ‘good’ coping mechanisms to manage their PTSD.

- PTSD >>> Reacts strongly to stress
- People choose coping mechanisms to deal with stress & symptoms
- Those coping mechanisms can be healthy or unhealthy, hurt themselves/ others/ no one

So PTSD causes the situation where stress needs to be dealt with, but it does NOT cause someone to free-climb, or shoot heroin, or stick their dick in someone. A person can have impulse control issues, but whether they set the house on fire or eat a pint of Haagen Das? Has vastly different results. Just because the setting is the same, it doesn’t take away the personal responsibility with how they deal with the setting.

A lot of people with PTSD will “try out” a bad coping mechanism once. They cheat, but instead of the pain they cause & risks they’re taking being thrilling to them? It’s abhorrant to them. So they never do it again, and choose a different coping mechanism. At least 3 affairs in (that you know of) you know that’s not what happened. He’s banking on your pain. He’s getting off on your pain. Your getting hurt? (Or catching an STD, etc.) is part of what makes this coping mechanism work for him.

He probably loves you very much. But he also finds it acceptable to hurt you to make himself feel better. A lot of people do. Whether they beat their wives or kick their dogs after a bad day at work, or starve their kids to do drugs because it’s more important they feel better than buy groceries, or commit adultery... you’re an acceptable loss to him. To me? That’s simply not okay. You deserve better. I don’t even know you, but I DO know that you deserve to never be considered an acceptable loss by the person you love.

Wow, this was so helpful... When I thought about his behaviors in terms of coping strategies that tick the boxes 1) thrill 2) numb/avoid and 3) (illusion of) control, I realized a few things.

He uses criticism and blame to tick box 3 (he often gives quiet and lengthy lectures, or letters telling me all of my faults and inadequacies, and how if I fix myself things will be better). There is often some small amount of truth to what he says, but he goes way overboard. Sometimes there is no truth to his criticism and he later realizes it and says sorry.
He has engaged sexually with me not for love anymore but to tick boxes 1 and 2. I felt like I was performing a service and being graded on my performance at the same time. That's not how it used to before PTSD.
He goes to her to tick all 3 boxes.

I do not like to believe that he "finds it acceptable to hurt" me. He has realized, AFTER the fact many times, that placing blame on me isn't fair, and that his actions were selfish and unreasonable. BUT it happens again, and again, and again.

I think I need to let it sink in, that he is forever changed.
 
I would also ask myself why I keep taking him back. Obviously it's not from a healthy place. What is my role in the dynamic? This cycle isn't happening just because of him and his PTSD. This is a dysfunctional, unhealthy, abusive situation. For all involved.

What can you do to stop the cycle, @Monica1974? It's up to you what happens next.

Good luck!

My role? Well, I've been trying to hold my family together. Our 2 children adore him, as did I.

What can I do to stop the cycle? Well, I need boundaries big-time. I have absorbed his rages (in the past before treatment), I have become timid and excessively accommodating, I have accepted him back with open arms "You are welcome here". My timid nature actually irritates him a lot. I need to fall out of love is what I need to do. I need to realize that he will be a better dad on his own when he's not stressed that I might judge him (I don't judge him but he thinks I do because of his low self-esteem). And I need to realize that my dream has come to an end, and that he isn't the man I married anymore. Oh, and I need to realize that romantic or sexual overtures from him are no longer about showing love to his wife, but only about him getting what he needs and wants in the moment.
 
A big one is that he does not give me in and out privileges. This means we are together and I don’t have the option of ending things when I have another freak out episode, and then coming back later. If things end, I get no further friendship with him, I get no support, I get nothing. In the past I’ve had guys put up with my yo yo behavior and it wasn’t stabilizing at all.

Thanks for that comment as a sufferer. I told my husband before that as long as we were working towards a long range mutual goal of restoring our marriage, he had my full support. But the only thing I am black and white about in my life is this: if we divorce, we cannot be friends or see each other at all. He will need to be "dead to me" so that I can grieve and move on. That is an important boundary to me, as I would not be able to cope with seeing him. He is so beautiful to me, and it would just hurt me over and over again to be reminded of the one thing I want so badly that I cannot have.

Re-reading that makes me realize I need to work on my romantic love issues in therapy lol.
 
Your guy is CHOOSING to go this route and you are CHOOSING to let him. So I'll ask ya this -- if he didn't have ptsd would you allow this behavior? If he wasn't a first responder would you allow this behavior? If the answer to either of those is yes -- therapy might be necessary for you to help you understand your own thought processes. Because I think at this point your thoughts about why you stay are way more important than his behaviors.

The answer to those questions is … I don't know. I feel at this point I've been so emotionally messed up, gas-lit, lied to, I have such high anxiety that I don't think about it clearly. Intellectually I get it. I need to establish firm boundaries, and I don't need to tell him about my boundaries, I just need to live them.

My current stupid feelings say "But honey, I deserve you! I AM good enough for you! Please consider me adequate!"

When I should be feeling "I was a good, loving, loyal wife and I deserve better."

I'm working on it in therapy.
 
I know the PTSD didn't "make him cheat" . It does however cause the negative thought cycles, guilt, shame, poor judgment and impulsive behavior

No, no, no, absolutely no!

I have sex...a lot! I replay out my past...a lot. I cannot get enough of sex, it seems. I have sex with as many as I can as often as I can.

All that said, when I was in a comitted relationship, I was faithful. I have PTSD and have impulse issues, have sex, love sex, can't get enough of sex and my ex could not keep up with me at the time. My sex drive was insane! I was still faithful! Why? Because that is what you do when you are in a committed relationship no matter what mental issues you have. PTSD does not cause, directly or indirectly, to cheat or have an impulse to cheat in anyway shape or form!
 
this!!!! ^^^^

Right! But that is what I found so difficult during my relationship. When he left over and over again it was not for another woman. He wasn’t with anyone physically during that time. I had found this forum and read up on everything I could and from what everyone was saying I thought it was just the push-pull of PTSD. I made myself okay with it. He did come back, eventually. So I thought it was just a matter of being patient. Because so many people in here said the same thing. It was the PTSD cup.

But I glossed over the rest. How he was treating me and what he was doing. Devaluing me. Putting me down. Turning things around. Gaslighting. Always taking. Financially, emotionally, physically. Never giving. Acting entitled. Wanting everything HE deserves. Future faking. Making promises he never kept. Never apologizing for his behaviour.

Then this last time he did involve another women - right in front of me....and I cannot describe the devastation. I have been 100% loyal and warm and loving.

I read your message and you sound just like me....accepting, accommodating, loving....welcoming him back ‘with open arms’ every time.....and I cringe. It triggers me. Because now I am seeing him for what he truly is....only because he is (they are) literally in my face with it. Our kids all play hockey together and even though her child isn’t trying out for this current team she has been there at the arena with him every tryout....just a week after we broke up.....with the other parents looking and wondering and me having to see them together. She doesn’t need to be there, especially so soon, but it just shows that they have no consideration, compassion, empathy or respect for me or for what I have done for him. I guess the cheating wasn’t enough to pound that into my head. And, NO, he is not treating me with any sort of respect or friendliness.....he ignored me and my son and does not smile or talk to me....it is like I am nothing. A stranger. Invisible. Because know he has a new supply he doesn’t need me. He doesn’t care about me. It is like I never really knew him, or wanted so badly to see the good side of him and to never abandon him, that I was blind to everything else. It is not a good feeling. And this time I can’t sugarcoat it or deny it.....even to myself.
 
No, no, no, absolutely no!

I have sex...a lot! I replay out my past...a lot. I cannot get enough of sex, it seems. I have sex with as many as I can as often as I can.

All that said, when I was in a comitted relationship, I was faithful. I have PTSD and have impulse issues, have sex, love sex, can't get enough of sex and my ex could not keep up with me at the time. My sex drive was insane! I was still faithful! Why? Because that is what you do when you are in a committed relationship no matter what mental issues you have. PTSD does not cause, directly or indirectly, to cheat or have an impulse to cheat in anyway shape or form!

Thanks for this honest reply on a personal matter. My husband always had a high sex drive but after having kids I was often tired and put sex last, which I know made him feel rejected. After our break-up and first re-connection, sex became frequent, intense and passionate, and I tried to convince him that "honey, I always loved having sex with you, I'm sorry you felt rejected...".

Can you relate to any of these recent behaviors that he has shown? The behaviors have a real intensity to them. Such as:
- saying that I SHOULD be thinking about sex ALL the time (in response to me saying that it's not really normal to be aroused or feeling sexual ALL the time, after all there are many other things that fill life up.
- having sex with two people in one day (during the affair)
- talking at great length about wanting to satisfy me, needing to ensure that I climax multiple time. Sex is like a gymnastic sport.
- having sex the same day as a surgery where it was NOT appropriate/safe to do it
- needing IMMEDIATE gratification to relieve stress
- valuing the ACT much more than any emotional closeness

Can you or anyone else relate to this as a PTSD behavior?
 
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