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Husband's ex just sent a text asking if we could take one of the stepdaughters full-time at some point in the future. How have blended family dynamics affected your recovery? I have some concerns that I'm too crazy for his side of the family to be here all the time. I will be found out. I will have to pause my recovery to caretake. I can compartmentalize like you wouldn't believe ?

Also that would mean two people with ADHD making messes in the house and not listening to me instead of one. I'm.afraid it will turn me into an awful person. Not like abusive but chronically angry and stressed. It is hard to be my best self when I am surrounded by chaos.
 
How old is the stepdaughter?

I have a weird family thing going on (four kids part time). It's been good and bad probably. It's stressful to manage it, but it also gives me a reason to want to.

If you're gonna have her full time for a while, I'm not sure putting your recovery on hold is the best decision. Is there a way to get some space every so often to decompress (after T or randomly hard day's/times or whatever)

I guess it depends on her age and how flexible "full time" would be and what other support you have? Hopefully there's a way to work around it though :)
 
How old is the stepdaughter?

I have a weird family thing going on (four kids part time). It's been good and bad probably. It's stressful to manage it, but it also gives me a reason to want to.

If you're gonna have her full time for a while, I'm not sure putting your recovery on hold is the best decision. Is there a way to get some space every so often to decompress (after T or randomly hard day's/times or whatever)

I guess it depends on her age and how flexible "full time" would be and what other support you have? Hopefully there's a way to work around it though :)
She just turned 12. We live ten hours from her mom, so it would be full-time when my husband isn't home.

I couldn't actually cope without time to decompress. I was thinking more about dissociation and switching, and if I have to keep it together more of the time I won't be able to kind of relax into my disorganization so I can organize better. I don't know if that even makes sense.

Part of my recovery is an attempt to heal attachment trauma and if she is here that also cuts into my ability to do that. That sounds so selfish. She has attachment trauma too. I just have these experiences where I feel if I could heal these places in me I could be a better mom and wife. It's actually for everyone else that I am working so hard I think?

I mean if it really is the best thing for her we will work it out I'm just afraid my parts are going to make it all complicated.
 
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Puberty + ADHD = Hell.

I’ve done it 2 times, now... both going through it & parenting it. Wildly different experiences... supporting someone else who is having to relearn ALL their emotional monitoring and regulation (think terrible 2s, but with a body too big to pick up and put on timeout, they have to be the ones who decide to do what needs doing... which is as easy as deciding to stop having a panic attack, with a child’s brain). There will be meltdowns, there will be suicidal ideation, there will be depression and rage, there will be “flat affect” (as they’re suppressing wildly out of control emotions from expressing... not like disassociation where you don’t actially care, but where the facade you present is that you don’t care, whilst pure/raw/powerful emotions flood through you without pause or mercy), there will be flailing of all kinds... as they’re fighting to learn how to do what most people learned as toddlers, but with a brain self aware enough to be devastated and terrified by the sudden -and often random seeming- loss of self control.

Think your most dysregulated PTSD episode, with the absolute worst sensory overload, emotional overload, thoughts that won’t stop -or listen to reason- and that layer on top of each other... and then stretch it out for 1-7 years. Which is the rough period of time it takes someone to learn how to live that way. (Most people can learn the basics in 1-2 years, but added stressors are common, and stretch it out). Because ADHD doesn’t let up. There is no episode. It’s just life. So you have to learn 1,000 coping mechanisms to work with it, and around it, and practice them so assiduously they become so habitual you’re no longer overwhelmed by them. You can take a test, clean the house, go out with your friends, remember everything all on your list... at the same time as you’re having your worst panic attack, ever. (And people wonder why people with ADHD get distracted. LMAO. And that’s only part of it. :roflmao: Sensory issues, priorotizing thought streams, there is a LOT going on. But, speaking as a parent? It’s the emotional dysreg that’s the hardest to deal with at that age.).

If you DO take her on full time? If you’re not incrediably comfortable with managing ADHD... and it doesn’t sound like you are... I very strongly suggest twice weekly therapy. Once a week for her, once a week for the 3 of you as a family. At a minimum. For at least a few years. It’s an extremely intense disorder for toddlers, teens, & pregnant/menopausal women. The rest of the time? It’s 90% bonus! :D 10% pain in the ass :wtf: But those hormonal milestones? Are pure unadulterated hell. For everyone.

***
PS... There are GOOD things about ADHD, even during those intense years. But they’re another bonus of therapy, because they’re like Easter eggs if you aren’t familiar with the disorder. As just one example? Nerotypical kids you have to introduce things to slowly. Wait until they’ve mastered that, then add more. 1-2-3-4-5-6 etc. ADHD kids learn more on a percentage. If you’re waiting for them to do all 5 things on a list well, before giving them 6? They’ll almost never get to 6. Instead? You look at what their percentages are. 3 done amazing, 1 done okay, 1 done badly if at all? Double it. Give them 10 things. And you’ll see 6 done amazing, 2 done okay, and 2 done badly if at all. Give them 20? Same deal. But just like how you coax a neurotypical kid into 6-7-8-9-10 things? Instead of just jumping to 20 things, to get 10 done amazing, you can coax that 50/25/25 ratio into 70/15/15, 80/10/10 ...by changing up the content of the things you’re giving them to do to be “interesting” until their baseline starts to shift, and even the boring things are being accomplished better and more often. <<< What this (and other bonus! :D ADHD traits) looks like is whilst you’re dealinf with an overgrown toddler as far as their emotional monitoring and regulation goes? The flip side is an incrediably mature/confident/capable/amazing __________ (the blank is because it varies by interest & strengths, which vary kid by kid). These are kids who will be doing college level work in their academic interests (super interesting conversationalists), athletes competing at top levels &/or coaching others (and over the moon to include you, whilst the other kids are embarrassed of adults around), superdynamic & intuitive social magpies (again, including YOU in interpersonal dynamics other parents drool in envy over and wish they could have) ... the list is almost endless. The areas ADHD kids excel in? Are off the charts, and they have far more of an adult mindset/approach IDK it’s difficult to quantify. It’s a lot more like dealing with an adult sharing their passion with you, than a kid. And if you share that passion? OMFG. Adults often have a bit of a deer in headlights expression dealing with these kids in the beginning... because they’re having real conversations/debates/etc. instead of the “kid version”. Find a shared passion with an ADHD kid? Prepare to fall in love. Whether it’s fixing cars, movies, music, military history, dance, whatever ) when they’re given the encouragement and space to do so. Which makes them super-fun.... in addition to the super challenging :banghead: :mad: :wtf: :banghead: parts. <<< Again, I really can’t underscore a great therapist enough, because punishing kids by taking away what they’re good at “until they earn it back” for example? Is like shouting and hitting someone having a panic attack. It doesn’t have the desired results. Even if shouting and hitting a neurotypical person just throwing a tantrum will get them to stop (or taking away sports until grades improve). But a great therapist? Makes everything a thousand times easier and more fun.

I loooooovee :inlove: ADHD kids. It’s a stone cold bitch to parent, and often requires the patience of a saint, but the rewards? Are just as off the charts as the challenges. Amazing kids, doing really hard things.
 
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Puberty + ADHD = Hell.

I’ve done it 2 times, now... both going through it & parenting it. Wildly different experiences... supporting someone else who is having to relearn ALL their emotional monitoring and regulation (think terrible 2s, but with a body too big to pick up and put on timeout, they have to be the ones who decide to do what needs doing... which is as easy as deciding to stop having a panic attack, with a child’s brain). There will be meltdowns, there will be suicidal ideation, there will be depression and rage, there will be “flat affect” (as they’re suppressing wildly out of control emotions from expressing... not like disassociation where you don’t actially care, but where the facade you present is that you don’t care, whilst pure/raw/powerful emotions flood through you without pause or mercy), there will be flailing of all kinds... as they’re fighting to learn how to do what most people learned as toddlers, but with a brain self aware enough to be devastated and terrified by the sudden -and often random seeming- loss of self control.

Think your most dysregulated PTSD episode, with the absolute worst sensory overload, emotional overload, thoughts that won’t stop -or listen to reason- and that layer on top of each other... and then stretch it out for 1-7 years. Which is the rough period of time it takes someone to learn how to live that way. (Most people can learn the basics in 1-2 years, but added stressors are common, and stretch it out). Because ADHD doesn’t let up. There is no episode. It’s just life. So you have to learn 1,000 coping mechanisms to work with it, and around it, and practice them so assiduously they become so habitual you’re no longer overwhelmed by them. You can take a test, clean the house, go out with your friends, remember everything all on your list... at the same time as you’re having your worst panic attack, ever. (And people wonder why people with ADHD get distracted. LMAO. And that’s only part of it. :roflmao: Sensory issues, priorotizing thought streams, there is a LOT going on. But, speaking as a parent? It’s the emotional dysreg that’s the hardest to deal with at that age.).

If you DO take her on full time? If you’re not incrediably comfortable with managing ADHD... and it doesn’t sound like you are... I very strongly suggest twice weekly therapy. Once a week for her, once a week for the 3 of you as a family. At a minimum. For at least a few years. It’s an extremely intense disorder for toddlers, teens, & pregnant/menopausal women. The rest of the time? It’s 90% bonus! :D 10% pain in the ass :wtf: But those hormonal milestones? Are pure unadulterated hell. For everyone.

***
PS... There are GOOD things about ADHD, even during those intense years. But they’re another bonus of therapy, because they’re like Easter eggs if you aren’t familiar with the disorder. As just one example? Nerotypical kids you have to introduce things to slowly. Wait until they’ve mastered that, then add more. 1-2-3-4-5-6 etc. ADHD kids learn more on a percentage. If you’re waiting for them to do all 5 things on a list well, before giving them 6? They’ll almost never get to 6. Instead? You look at what their percentages are. 3 done amazing, 1 done okay, 1 done badly if at all? Double it. Give them 10 things. And you’ll see 6 done amazing, 2 done okay, and 2 done badly if at all. Give them 20? Same deal. But just like how you coax a neurotypical kid into 6-7-8-9-10 things? Instead of just jumping to 20 things, to get 10 done amazing, you can coax that 50/25/25 ratio into 70/15/15, 80/10/10 ...by changing up the content of the things you’re giving them to do to be “interesting” until their baseline starts to shift, and even the boring things are being accomplished better and more often. <<< What this (and other bonus! :D ADHD traits) looks like is whilst you’re dealinf with an overgrown toddler as far as their emotional monitoring and regulation goes? The flip side is an incrediably mature/confident/capable/amazing __________ (the blank is because it varies by interest & strengths, which vary kid by kid). These are kids who will be doing college level work in their academic interests (super interesting conversationalists), athletes competing at top levels &/or coaching others (and over the moon to include you, whilst the other kids are embarrassed of adults around), superdynamic & intuitive social magpies (again, including YOU in interpersonal dynamics other parents drool in envy over and wish they could have) ... the list is almost endless. The areas ADHD kids excel in? Are off the charts, and they have far more of an adult mindset/approach IDK it’s difficult to quantify. It’s a lot more like dealing with an adult sharing their passion with you, than a kid. And if you share that passion? OMFG. Adults often have a bit of a deer in headlights expression dealing with these kids in the beginning... because they’re having real conversations/debates/etc. instead of the “kid version”. Find a shared passion with an ADHD kid? Prepare to fall in love. Whether it’s fixing cars, movies, music, military history, dance, whatever ) when they’re given the encouragement and space to do so. Which makes them super-fun.... in addition to the super challenging :banghead::mad::wtf::banghead: parts. <<< Again, I really can’t underscore a great therapist enough, because punishing kids by taking away what they’re good at “until they earn it back” for example? Is like shouting and hitting someone having a panic attack. It doesn’t have the desired results. Even if shouting and hitting a neurotypical person just throwing a tantrum will get them to stop (or taking away sports until grades improve). But a great therapist? Makes everything a thousand times easier and more fun.

I loooooovee :inlove: ADHD kids. It’s a stone cold bitch to parent, and often requires the patience of a saint, but the rewards? Are just as off the charts as the challenges. Amazing kids, doing really hard things.
Aww yes you get it.

I would say I am more comfortable with ADHD than the bio mom is. I don't tell over things that kids with ADHD can't help the way she does. I do still get frustrated and I think as I work to accommodate a neurodiverse person they should learn to hold space for a neurotypical person's needs as well. At least that's my expectations with my spouse.

I am trying to think through how to design life so that to have my weekly or biweekly therapy, husband has his, and then we have two more therapy appointments for the family and the older child. There would be no space for her to do any extracurriculars. She actually thrives considerably getting the extra energy out with sport so that would be a consideration.

I'm not comfortable when my partners ADHD triggers my stuff, feeling I can't trust him, or the times that I realize I can't rely on him really and have to grieve.

I am sure puberty adds another layer.

I am also sure the bio mom probably doesn't have the headspace to be loving as she has a very full house and seems to drink enough wine to teeter on the edge of questioning it.

My main concern isn't really how I would do parenting her. It's that my marriage isn't strong or stable. And my spouse's approach to conflict is opposite of mine so conflicts become really awful and long and it's hard to create a comfortable environment for kids. Currently we save our mess for after the toddler goes to sleep but add a teenager and my spouse's lax parenting and he would probably let her stay up until 10 especially when we are fighting because then he gets to avoid me and get ego strokes for being a cool dad. So the unhealthy communication would possibly just increase. If I can get him to discuss that with me and come up with a plan to not do that, j could probably figure out the rest.

I teach emotion regulation for my job. It would be fun to help her with it. But also terrifying because I am already burned out managing so much practical stuff on behalf of the current home. It doesn't really help that to know that my partner just can't help it. It's still a lot on me and a perpetual battle getting him to manage his responsibilities. If we were rich I would hire a coach or a personal chef, maid, family organizer and be done with it. Instead I'm breadwinner and organizer of all the practical things and he gets to be in charge of having fun in the moment.

Also, my husband wasn't raised learning ANY self regulation skills. So he won't be a great role model on that. And being the bio parent she will be looking to him more than me.

It's just such a big ask you know. I am conscientious and a perfectionist and really you can't be a perfect parent. I'm afraid to fail her by getting burned out myself. I don't believe in taking away passions but electronic devices sure. Someone like her who is very physical I might make them do extra chores or something. Depends on the situation.

But generally I am aware of what ADHD can make happen and wouldn't punish for an ADHD offense. The consequential inconsiderate behavior or yelling or attitude sure but I am pretty good at framing stuff in terms of executive dysfunction. She would have to hear about the natural consequences though. The pain caused to others or the extra work created. Not in a shaming way but just, you can't expect that your neurodiversity won't have an impact. Just as I don't expect my anxiety to not have an impact and need to learn to hear that I'm extra sometimes but loved anyway.
 
Is there a way you & your partner could balance out each others weaknesses / smoothe out the conflict areas by each of you doing what you -are- good at, instead of arent... instead of it hitting conflict?

The other thing I am wondering, you say the teen & his parenting would automatically be a clash / make him a bigger mess & you more stressed... but isnt that bit too soon to tell? For all you know they could work out in unexpected ways, *because* of similarities, not them being a big problem.

Ditto self regulation. Needing to regulate someone else, even if not wanting, can teach self reg super duper fast.
 
Is there a way you & your partner could balance out each others weaknesses / smoothe out the conflict areas by each of you doing what you -are- good at, instead of arent... instead of it hitting conflict?

The other thing I am wondering, you say the teen & his parenting would automatically be a clash / make him a bigger mess & you more stressed... but isnt that bit too soon to tell? For all you know they could work out in unexpected ways, *because* of similarities, not them being a big problem.

Ditto self regulation. Needing to regulate someone else, even if not wanting, can teach self reg super duper fast.
Hi, thanks for your reply. I like the idea to divide and conquer. He does the repairs and the unpleasant one-off tasks and a lot of the parenting. I do... Everything else, or oversee the doing of the thing. If we bring her here I am going to stay out of school functions and planning. He would want to take responsibility. It will mean mistakes will be made.

You are right I am making assumptions. I know when my husband is with the kids, if nobody is mindful of a structure, meals, bedtime, etc, he often gets lost in the moment. So that at least... There would be little structure except the structure I create. There would be messiness which increases my anxiety. But I think you are correct that I can't really know. They haven't lived together full time for 7 years or so. Who really knows what would happen.

Ha, it's funny I help people regulate their emotions for my job but personal life is so different!
 
I personally would never attempt this? (Advise anyone against it) I did it and I failed. That's how it is and you can't go back but we ( the heart ) weren't made to withstand it. ( my opinion) The step mothers and fathers of the world know.

People do it successfully I know? Parenting your own children when it's only a first marriage and no sexual history on either side would be hard enough. (Impossible). Who gets that kind of (idk what) luxury? These days.
 
I personally would never attempt this? (Advise anyone against it) I did it and I failed. That's how it is and you can't go back but we ( the heart ) weren't made to withstand it. ( my opinion) The step mothers and fathers of the world know.

People do it successfully I know? Parenting your own children when it's only a first marriage and no sexual history on either side would be hard enough. (Impossible). Who gets that kind of (idk what) luxury? These days.
Yeah, when they all come for visits it is a huge adjustment. I struggle with being ignored a lot more, left out, no one even acknowledging me when I come home from work but still expecting me to cook and clean. It's a thankless job. Not to mention seeing my husband and his loving relationship with his daughters is triggering AF because I lost that in my own life. There's always an increase in chaos and ambiguity and I usually end up hiding in my room a lot from the combination of "too much noise and mess" and "too much being invisible in my own house."

I think if it were one kid here all the time instead of 4 here just long enough to get used to things I might handle it better.
 
too much being invisible in my own house.

What is it about being invisible in your own house that bothers you? I am curious because I actually like to be invisible and do my own thing at home while everyone else goes about with their noise and whatnot.

I am also the breadwinner, always have been, but I don't mind because, it gives you control, you aren't depending on anyone for anything and with PTSD it's all about that, right?Maybe try to reframe your role from a different perspective? Might help you to feel less pissed off that no one is appreciating you because you appreciate yourself.

My T recommended a book called Passionate Marriage which talks about maintaining your sense of self and not relying on your partner to meet your emotional needs and learning to self-soothe instead. I'm getting divorced so it's not helping me now but it might help you.
 
What is it about being invisible in your own house that bothers you? I am curious because I actually like to be invisible and do my own thing at home while everyone else goes about with their noise and whatnot.

I am also the breadwinner, always have been, but I don't mind because, it gives you control, you aren't depending on anyone for anything and with PTSD it's all about that, right?Maybe try to reframe your role from a different perspective? Might help you to feel less pissed off that no one is appreciating you because you appreciate yourself.

My T recommended a book called Passionate Marriage which talks about maintaining your sense of self and not relying on your partner to meet your emotional needs and learning to self-soothe instead. I'm getting divorced so it's not helping me now but it might help you.
Good question. I guess it triggers the old attachment trauma for me to feel invisible. It's like I don't exist. On the one hand I love solitude, I love when everyone has what they need and is leaving me alone so I can get what I need, but I also feel disrespected to be working so hard to help and take care of people that don't even say hello when I come home. I don't want everyone to want to spend time with me constantly at home but when I come out of my cave I want to matter to someone. Idk I guess it's hard to explain.
 
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This isn't an answer to the question exactly, just an comment. I've been reading along and, as a former kid who felt unwanted, I'm feeling a bit sorry for THIS kid, who no one seems to want. Is she THAT bad?

Obviously, I have no idea what she's like. My best recollection of "12" is I came home from school, went out and spent as much time I could with my horse, came in for supper, did dishes, then either watched tv or went to my room. By 12, you can be pretty self sufficient. Granted, I was never the acting out type. It was more "silence is golden but sometimes invisibility is better." But, by 12, I had not only saved the money to buy that horse, I was making enough to take care of him too. 12 isn't 2.

Whatever, the kid needs a roof over her head and help finding food at least till she's old enough to be on her own.

I actually also have step kids. I've been divorced from their father for a long time and we still stay in touch. (Me and the kids, that is.) The youngest was 13 when we got married.They split their time between their parents. It went fine. But then, it could be that the fact that I grew up in a house I never felt was mine, makes me disinclined to stake out territory and make rules, I don't know. I guess the best thing I can suggest is talk to her an listen to her too. She's a human being, caught up in a situation, not of her own making, just as much you are.
 
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