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News APA issues first-ever guidelines for practice with men and boys

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I found this to be an interesting read: APA Issues First-Ever Guidelines for Practice With Men and Boys. Psychology is not the only area that has clued into the fact that there's real validity in creating a specific lens to investigate the male experience - the article that's behind the link provides a good overview on the gender-studies aspect of it all.

Hopefully, this will go a long way towards shifting the specific stigma for men getting mental health support...the societal idea that "men don't need help", which is so unfair.
 
I have a LOT to say about the new APA guidelines.

One: it's good that men and boys have been deemed worthy of finally receiving our own guidelines.

Two: the guidelines do point out the dearth of resources for men and boys in crisis. And it does in fact say that boys and men are currently in crisis.

Three: overall, these guidelines are bad for men. Like, really, really bad. They come out of an academic framework that assumes the expression of masculinity is always harmful to men and others.

I have a lot more to say, but I have other stuff to do, so I'll have to pick this up later.
 
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So the bottom line is that the APA blew it with their guidelines and then blew it again by failing to realize that the guidelines would be controversial.

The guidelines themselves are built on the framework of academic "masculinities" studies which is in itself built on intersectionality theory. The problem with these frameworks is that they assume that the expression of masculinity is by necessity harmful to the performer, his environment including the people in it, and the world at large.

Moreover, intersectionality theory looks askance at the idea that men can be systematically abused at all since men are always more priviliged than women in terms of gender. Intersectionality theory has been used to deny men resources, since the theory says resources should be allocated primarily toward the less privileged.

In this case, since men are always more priviliged, it means in the APA guidelines that men are responsible for their own psychological crisis. If men could just give up their privilege and be more emotionally similar to women, that would fix their problems.

The guidelines therefore fall into the common psychologist's trap of assuming that, emotionally, men are just "broken women."

The guidelines are also consistently hostile towards "traditional masculinity," identifying it with specific harms such as misogyny, homophobia, sexual predation, homicide, and suicide. This was a huge talking point on right-wing media for a few months, which seems to have caught the APA entirely off-guard and led to the politicization of psychology as a discipline.

Look. I'm no fan of traditional masculinity taken to extremes, but the guidelines don't mention extremism. I also don't think blaming men for their current crisis is helpful.

Like I said before, there are some good parts. The APA calls for more mental health resources specifically for men and boys, which puts them outside of mainstream thinking right there, for which they should be commended. But that's only a couple of paragraphs within the whole document.

I find these guidelines to suffer heavily from too much academic opinion and not enough input from working psychologists - to say nothing of actual male patients. These guidelines were met with head nods from university academics, advocates, and journalists who rarely use the term "masculinity" without putting the word "toxic" in front of it. At the same time, I don't know of any male survivors who've actually read the guidelines who think they are positive or useful. At best, they should be a starting point for further discussion - which of course they are not, being official guidelines.

A lost opportunity.
 
It's disturbing. I was watching a podcast about this yesterday. The psychologist guest on the show said "it reads like something out of a gender studies class." I agree, it's sickening.

I guess as a member of the "white patriarchy" I'll count myself lucky I live in a society that is keen for me to change everything I am for the comfort of another, based on the perfect healthy mentality of some screeching college students.

But hey, words are violence now right? So whatever. Guess I don't need to worry about hiring a new psychologist. As least this bullshit will save some money from wasted therapy.

Since the measure of a person has once again been reduced to gender and skin colour, I'll wait for the next civil rights movement before I put any stock in what the APA has to say.

What a joke, this world is broken.
 
So I read through it and don't see what either the applause, or repulsion, is about.

To me it reads the thing says absolutely nothing at all. Not only nothing worth outcry, but the water is still wet yet we needed to publish something to get funding.

It's also nowhere near depth gender studies circles do on these things, and nah, those people would actually care, instead of the sense insult people outside of these circles ascribe to them.

Some of the most intelligent, intersectional, experienced & down to earth community carers & organizers I had the honor to meet would passionately talk of systems killing Black men... and then take the upset homeless white one to needed services while smooth chatting the people into helping him.

It's not like all of us just scream loud.
 
and then take the upset homeless white one to needed services while smooth chatting the people into helping him.
Ok, I'm not getting your point here. Any advocate worth their salt will assist a person, gender whatever, if they're in real crisis. (And some won't, either.)

The issue is that the APA says that men cause real harm by ... existing. By being stoic, fond of competition, and aggressive. By being not-women, in point of fact.

The APA believes in the Patriarchy. As in, men hurt others by just being the men they were taught to be ... By men. And women.

Stoicism, competitiveness, and aggression, unchecked to an extreme degree, sure. Harmful, undoubtedly. But the typical guy? I beg to differ.

And oh by the way, those undisputed good things about masculinity, the APA says? Protectiveness? Breadwinning? Those are actually feminine values, the APA says. So men - you're sick, useless, and harmful to yourself and all others. And it's YOUR fault. Any good thing about men is only as much as they're like women. So start acting more like women, or be left behind.
 
By being stoic, fond of competition, and aggressive. By being not-women, in point of fact.
I'm not at ALL sure what the alleged problem with competition is. I'm also not sure how that got to be a masculine characteristic. (But this is the kind of thing where I frequently miss the point.)

I think they were trying to make the point that stoicism can be harmful to the stoic individual, by making them reluctant to admit they have a problem. And "aggressive"...... That can sure mean a lot of different things, some of them good and some of them not. From what I read, though, I got the impression they want therapists to be aware that some characteristics that are traditionally thought of as "masculine" might make male clients inclined to deny the existence of problems or avoid becoming clients at all. That this ought to be taken into account when dealing with people. I don't know that they're actually trying to say that stoic clients are "wrong" to be stoic, or competitive ones "wrong" to be competitive.
 
The name of the woman who coined ‘intersectionality’ escapes me right now- But I do think that her stance as a black, American is relevant. I frankly don’t care to go further in discussion over that right now. Recognising different groups have more statistical likelihood of certain Outcomes does not say individuals are that. But recognising it can highlight things like - need for services, under provision and where limited resources can be best used- whether that’s time, money or manpower.

I too have heard the ‘all white people are an issue’. It’s not something I believe- I am able to set it aside. Just like the hatred for white feminism. Shrug. Some is valid some isn’t. Where I agree is that those not speaking out are part of the problem. This is NOT a new idea. Dante’s reference to it in Inferno was something that was playing me during my break down. It’s something we have heard in ‘first they came for...’.
I have some privileges in intersectionality and don’t have others. I exploit those I have for others. A thousand years ago this might just have been called trying v to live with integrity. It is looking to improve all the time.
 
I have some privileges in intersectionality and don’t have others.
Many of the people the APA is talking about have ALL the privileges. This should disqualify them from any kind of systematic mental health (or any other) resources, according to intersectionality theory. Individual men can seek help, but in no way should help be provided in a systematic way.

The APA guidelines are slightly more enlightened, but only as far as the men who need help are in some way non-privileged themselves, because the guidelines do point out that minority men are among our worst-served demographics.

However, intersectionality theory at heart fails men. It certainly fails men of the ethnicity and class I belong to. Therefore, since the guidelines are built on this framework, they also fail.
 
Wot Scoutie & Mee said.

Pointing out some traits associated with some conditions or states of being are harmful not just to those involved is not passing judgment.

It's not *getting* the point of what privilege *is* or why people even bring it up if you take any & all mentions of it as an insult or attack on you personally or a form of hate.

Hate & disadvantages that are systemic can kill.
Pointing that out doesn't *have* those effects in any real spaces.

And tbh not having men-*specific* standards of care?
The whole *medicine* is, since its inception, a men-specific care field.

That the APA goes like 'Okay well but *how* we thought we are caring benefits dudes well and looks we got a few of those wrong, so gonna care better from now on, and here is why and how we are going to do it.'

Is a step forward *courtesy* that doesn't need being torn a new one for it.
 
Many of the people the APA is talking about have ALL the privileges. This should disqualify them from any kind of systematic mental health resources, according to intersectionality theory. Individual men can seek help, but in no way should help be provided in a systematic way.

However, intersectionality theory at heart fails men. It certainly fails men of the ethnicity and class I belong to. Therefore, since the guidelines are built on this framework, they also fail.

I think you're seriously twisting the concepts around, misinterpreting them & misunderstanding them, as well as missing the point of cited theories.

As in they literally don't imply what you purport they do.
 
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