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[Sideways]

And further to that, WHO director in bed with Chinese Government

I had to do some hunting to find it, but your post reminded me that there's been criticism of the WHO's handling of not just the Covid 19 pandemic, but also an earlier ebola outbreak just a few years ago, mixed in with a healthy dose of underfunding and a swathe of allegations of internal corruption and failure to act on their own recommendations to fix those issues:
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It's been in the back of my mind throughout this pandemic. Every time someone starts a sentence with "The WHO says...", I get a small twitch in my eyebrow!

 

[Ronin]

Edit. Irrelevant.

All I'm saying is don't SOLELY blame China. Way too black and white and easy/comfortable for us Westerners. Guess it's too much to ask to take even the hint of own responsibility.

Ever considered for some of us, China and other Asian countries have been a temporary home, with people still held dearly & in high regard, and criticizing the govt's misdeeds ain't a 'Western bias' or what have you?

Don't confuse facts & policies with sentimental stances and blame games.

 

[Mee]

Another thing I have wondered is if this takes us a small step closer to a cashless economy? Cash transactions were a quick thing to be shut down officially - I’m sure they are ongoing for some deliveries. Closing the cash loop could increase tax recoup in the future

 

[Justmehere]

Because stigma and prejudice tooootally aren't

The very real uptick in racism doesn’t mean a country gets a free pass on mistakes made.

Americans get a fair amount of crap abroad, but it doesn’t mean the mistakes our leadership makes are now irrelevant.

Chinese citizens and medical providers spoke out about problems themselves, at great risk too.
Coronavirus: Wuhan doctor speaks out against authorities
At least 5 people in China have disappeared, gotten arrested, or been silenced after speaking out about the coronavirus — here's what we know about them
One can dislike and even despise what leaders of a nation have done without hating its people.

 

[Friday]

I believe public and hence trace-able statements. With dates.

It’s in pretty much every foreign service’s press release (meaning from all nations, not every release)... for months... that China is strongly suspected of fibbing to outright lying/manipulating its numbers & other information it’s releasing about Cov19 (which is SOP for China).

Over the past month or so, suspicions have been more and more confirmed by various methods ... .as some orgs/countries sent their investigators to go look-see about what was being published vs the contradictory -but anecdotal- information people and NGOs were contacting the embassies with....the phone tracking is just one of them. There are also first person interviews with Wuhan nurses (I think Fox broke that about 4 hours ago?), various “follow the money” trails, and so on and so on... none of them painting a complete picture, but added together are getting close. That’s in addition, of course, to the that hackers have been blowing up the DWeb for ages as they break into various databases, phone systems, video surveillance, etc.... but hackers tend more towards the OCD recordkeeper type than the shiny audio/visual. You’re far more likely to get shipping manifests, chemical supply orders, etc. from that crowd... which paints a very vivid picture, if you know what you’re looking for (and is gobbledygook WTF am I looking at??? To the rest of us ) ... than something where a picture is worth a thousand words.

It hasn’t been in mainstream media, because mainstream media picks and chooses what -if any- info from a press release they want to use. Unsubstantiated rumor is rarely the story they go with. Especially not when causing an international incident, or inciting mass panic, is on the line. (Awwwww :inlove: I’m actually kind of impressed by mainstream media for sitting on it, some ethics still appear to have a pulse! That, or, you know... China lying just isn’t newsworthy, whilst China telling the truth is. Somewhere on that idealism/cynicism scale.) You can wade through thousands of pages of foreign service press release to try and find it yourself, of if you have a subscription to one of the better specialized news sources, they collate & reference it for you. This is the most recent one I know of. Not the best out there, but still decent, & Just came out today. They have a paywall, so if you don’t have a subscription? read quickly! I think it’s only a 30 second grace period before they want your credit card, or shuffle you to the free section. How WHO Became China’s Coronavirus Accomplice

 

[Friday]

Another thing I have wondered is if this takes us a small step closer to a cashless economy?

Nah. The world needs its black markets to survive. ;)

 

[lostforgottensoul]

The very real uptick in racism doesn’t mean a country gets a free pass on mistakes made.

Americans get a fair amount of crap abroad, but it doesn’t mean the mistakes our leadership makes are now irrelevant.

Chinese citizens and medical providers spoke out about problems themselves, at great risk too.

I'm in this camp. A country leadership mistake doesn't mean that the citizens of that country are "bad" or did anything "wrong". Their leadership did.

Just like if American leadership does wrong, the leadership of America is doing wrong but the Americans themself aren't. If that makes sense. The citizens of any country have to follow the leadership of their country. Especially in a country like China.

Maybe I am reading this wrong and if I am, ignore me. I think saying that China did something wrong does not speak to Chinese citizens. They actually risked their own saftey to speak the truth. So, that speaks volumes for those citizens.

 

[anthony]

All I'm saying is don't SOLELY blame China. Way too black and white and easy/comfortable for us Westerners. Guess it's too much to ask to take even the hint of own responsibility.

Right now, it squarely lands at China's feet. There is mounting evidence that China ignored warnings from years ago about these markets and Corona, the future effect of what will occur. I believe an author even exacted this, time and date, based on their own evidence from within China and seeing what was happening, studying the animals and their respective issues. China ignored it all.

All country leaders are now dealing with something that nobody has dealt with since the early 1900's. So yes, nobody has experience and lots of mistakes are being made. People love to blame. Hindsight is wonderful.

Right now, it seems the majority of this lands absolutely at the feet of China, and the evidence continues to compound.

As for own responsibility, how is any of this to do with each person in the world uniquely? This is country level stuff. We the individuals can only now be responsible for following best practice guidelines we are given, or not. That is our responsibility uniquely. Leaders are making this shit up as they go based on health experts behind the scenes, combined with economists, trying to balance health and what will also be health and militaristic issues, if the economy collapses in any given country.

There is no book for this as I see it. Just theory, bits and pieces of stuff, but no clear guideline for any one country. We're all just kind of trying to learn of one another it seems to me. Like... who is doing something good, grab that, that is not working, toss that, change that due to failure and this country got that bit right, insert, etc.

 

[Rainman8772]

Right now, it squarely lands at China's feet. There is mounting evidence that China ignored warnings from years ago about these markets and Corona, the future effect of what will occur. I believe an author even exacted this, time and date, based on their own evidence from within China and seeing what was happening, studying the animals and their respective issues. China ignored it all.

All country leaders are now dealing with something that nobody has dealt with since the early 1900's. So yes, nobody has experience and lots of mistakes are being made. People love to blame. Hindsight is wonderful.

Right now, it seems the majority of this lands absolutely at the feet of China, and the evidence continues to compound.

As for own responsibility, how is any of this to do with each person in the world uniquely? This is country level stuff. We the individuals can only now be responsible for following best practice guidelines we are given, or not. That is our responsibility uniquely. Leaders are making this shit up as they go based on health experts behind the scenes, combined with economists, trying to balance health and what will also be health and militaristic issues, if the economy collapses in any given country.

There is no book for this as I see it. Just theory, bits and pieces of stuff, but no clear guideline for any one country. We're all just kind of trying to learn of one another it seems to me. Like... who is doing something good, grab that, that is not working, toss that, change that due to failure and this country got that bit right, insert, etc.

Hopefully the westernized nations have a faster learning curve. Really it could get out of hand easily and need military action.

 

[anthony]

Another thing I have wondered is if this takes us a small step closer to a cashless economy? Cash transactions were a quick thing to be shut down officially

Good point. We are nearly cashless in Australia, but this has gone that extra step, with places refusing cash and advice is to not use cash at all. Use CC at all times, basically.

@siniang I am not trying to punish you, hurt you, cause you distress or anything else against you. The facts are that things are not adding up. You jumping to China's defence when the evidence clearly does not support that, and blaming your country leader, is just not what the facts are showing. I'm not saying your country's leader isn't making mistakes... they all are IMO, some may more than others, but things are not right.

How does China with a population exceeding 1 billion, a population with immense poverty compared to other Western countries, contain the virus with so few deaths when other countries following suit cannot? Lets not confuse countries where they had even more time to prepare and action things. Australia is one of those, in essence, compared to Northern countries. Being so far from the rest of the world is the only thing that has kept our numbers low, and now slowing as a result of measures which were absolutely implemented too late, but worked quickly nonetheless.

I think this entire thing will change the world forever, in that countries are going to have much stricter, faster, reactions to even the "public health emergency" warning that comes out of WHO. Countries will close borders entirely before getting close to pandemic status I reckon. Well... if they learnt anything from this, they will in the future.

Hopefully the westernized nations have a faster learning curve. Really it could get out of hand easily and need military action.

I hope so too. Were this is headed is scary, especially with the media manipulating things through sensationalising the negatives and leaving out the consequences (which they save for later reporting as though they are innocent in causing them.)

 

[Chris-duck]

Okay.. so politics in general just isn't my strong point admittedly. My knowledge of politics is limited to (huh mad time to Brexit guys, and um.. indyref2 potential for Scotland. All UK based basically). But none of the world has dealt with this in the past 100 years right? And *most* governments acted later than they think they shoulda in hindsight (rightly or wrongly, it's more complicated cos people wouldn't comply until they see the threat themselves n blahblah). But I'm not sure how it's solely China's responsibility it got this far?

Most countries are lying about their death toll. The UK is anyway. So i imagine countries like USA and Australia to be similar in their bullshit-potential.

 

[Mach123]

A communist dictatorship should be trusted to do what? I know we've been doing business with China and like so many other things people let it go but that was wrong. Maybe now the chickens are coming home roost? The Chinese government is not the only government at fault here. I'm not innocent either. I don't recall going to any protest marches about the poor people in China or the protests in Hong Kong. Plenty of blame to go around