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News Events around the George Floyd protests and riots, US and beyond

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It’s not just killed - that’s the tip of the iceberg of racism. It’s the arrests and prison population- differences in sentencing.


For example- my rapist and I were yelled over in her car the evening I was raped- this was the first inkling I had that she was dishonest. It turned out she had no insurance and no license to drive. The sheriff asked to see my ( not US ) licence and let me drive the Uninsured vehicle on to our destination. They also found out she had a warrant against her. I think the chances of them allowing a black man to drive away under those circumstances are —— slim?

A majority of cops are far far from racist. We spill the same blood in the same mud as our black counterparts. Just like a majority of soldiers are far from racist for the same reasons. There are however, a few bad apples that give a bad name to the rest like in any other profession. If everyone had to spend a couple years in law enforcement or military or social work the world would be a better place.

Personally I don’t see how any person can vote for a democrat but lots do it’s their choice and many died to give them the choice. If people want change then they should educate themselves and vote for change. They should get out and be active within their own community and government to institute change. The Democratic Party has been keeping people in chains since it’s inception but people keep voting for them.

Facts:
Slaves freed by republicans
Black and women’s voting rights by republicans
Civil rights act passed by republicans

The list could go on and on but with the education/indoctrination systems in place now things will not change. Knowledge is the greatest power anyone can have and until the people black, white, brown, or whatever get off their ass and learn we will remain in the same situation.
 
Facts:
Slaves freed by republicans
Black and women’s voting rights by republicans
Civil rights act passed by republicans

There was a massive ideology shift in the party platforms happening gradually between the end of the Civil War and the election of FDR in 1938. Comparing modern party ideology is just nonsensical.

And if you’re talking about the Civil Rights Acts of the 60s, those were passed during Democratic presidencies, with democratic state and house majorities.

Think what you want, but don’t twist history to fit a certain narrative.
 
A majority of cops are far far from racist.
There are however, a few bad apples that give a bad name to the rest like in any other profession.

I hope you realize this really is just another flavor of "All lives matter", do you?

Are the majority of cops probably ok? Yes, absolutely. I personally know police officers who I'd vouch for. But we're not talking about those at the moment.

No need to muddy the waters and distract from the actual and very real issues at hand.

And before you accuse me of just buying Democratic propaganda: I'm not from the US, I'm from a country where literally 10 people total are being killed at the hand of a police officer on average per year. That's a number you guys can't even make in a month of a year.
 
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But sure. *I'm* the problem.

That's not what I'm saying nor have said anywhere in the thread, though.

I have said the points brought forward are problematic, double so for the situation being as emotionally charged as it is.

That isn't a personal judgment, nor a character one.
 
A majority of cops are far far from racist. We spill the same blood in the same mud as our black counterparts. Just like a majority of soldiers are far from racist for the same reasons. There are however, a few bad apples that give a bad name to the rest like in any other profession. If everyone had to spend a couple years in law enforcement or military or social work the world would be a better place.

Personally I don’t see how any person can vote for a democrat but lots do it’s their choice and many died to give them the choice. If people want change then they should educate themselves and vote for change. They should get out and be active within their own community and government to institute change. The Democratic Party has been keeping people in chains since it’s inception but people keep voting for them.

Facts:
Slaves freed by republicans
Black and women’s voting rights by republicans
Civil rights act passed by republicans

The list could go on and on but with the education/indoctrination systems in place now things will not change. Knowledge is the greatest power anyone can have and until the people black, white, brown, or whatever get off their ass and learn we will remain in the same situation.


My dad worked for police forces.


I have seen lots and lots of bigoted cops. They don’t THINK they are bigoted. I genuinely thought reporting rape would be easier three years ago than trying to report abuse as a child. It was different in two different forces but there was immense bigotry still.

I fully accept you cannot see it. It doesn’t mean it’s not there.
 
Here is the thing about apples .

Bad apples happen. But when you store apples it’s your responsibility to check them and dispose of bad apples daily. You know what happens if you don’t?

All the apples go bad.

Has anybody here watched 13th on Netflix?

It had Some things in it I really had not known before regarding writing of law In US and it’s relation And admitted lies and unfair consequences to African Americans.
 
S.C. and most states/federal teach PPCT training which has de-escalation training built in with it at the police academy. Also S.C. requires legal and domestic violence EVERY year that is not included in the 40 hours of training. Also firearms and takedown training are twice per year at most departments but required once per year.
Thanks for the information. And since policing is not my profession, I’m aware I can’t speak with authority on the subject. What I‘m seeing, as I go through individual states, that a number of them Des rube deescalation training as separate/distinct from PPCT training. As an outsider, what it looks like to me is deescalation training focuses on levels 1 and 2 of the use of force continuum. There’s also some significant difference in the language used, describing deescalation as a goal vs as one step in a multi-part process describing escalation...

I see the arguments against it, as well. I don’t think it’s a one-sided issue.

I‘d be curious what your thoughts are on This article written by former officer and former DA - I looked hard to find something with a more conservative slant, by people who have real-time experience. But they do a fair job of talking about the complexities.
 
Let's all remember this is the U.S. and we have the second amendment. So our police force is always out gunned and out numbered.

I'm all for the 2nd amendment. Unfortunately criminals are illegally armed too.

My nephew has been shot at multiple times in his short 5 years as an officer. He has never fired back. In some areas the violence and crime is horrendous.

I literally just donated to a fallen Detroit LEO. He was shot in the head 3 years ago and succumbed to his injuries this week. He was responding to a domestic violence call and shot in the head. This happens more than you know. I'll be honest, we have told my nephew to "shoot first and ask questions later". Btw he would never in a million years do that. He has already been to 13 funerals for fallen officers.

R.I.P. Waldis Johnson. ?
R.I.P. George Floyd. ❤
 
I'm never going to be for busing people in to cities to protest, hauling bricks to locations that make it easier to throw in to businesses, destroying property, breaking windows and stealing.
I am for the peaceful protest of George Floyd's murder by a police officer that had more than 10 complaints during his tenure as an officer. I am for investigating the Minn police departments code of ethics and how someone like that remained an officer. I am for setting strong limits to how people are contained. I much prefer stun guns quite frankly. It at least neutralizes the situation until it can be hashed out. I will march any street, kneel at any corner, have conversation with anyone about how we can stop this needless storyline from continuing another decade. I also want to talk about how we can end generational poverty in highly populated African American communities. Where I live, a college education is free. There is absolutely no reason why these kids aren't leaving high school and entering a college program. What keeps them from getting there? Generational poverty, addiction, isolation, broken homes, raised in violent homes, and the plethora of other sad issues that these kids are dealt. It's devastating and unfair and its time to break that cycle for them. We can create a better life for all of our children if we are willing to listen to their needs. Why aren't these cities/states with high criminal activity also offering free college tuition and opening colleges inside the very areas these kids are in trouble? Aside from parenting, why aren't we doing more in schools to help them get to these places to earn an education?
I just want to point out that there must be a meeting in the middle as well. Every side must be willing to do the work. My heart is heavy for this country. I identify as a conservative republican fiscally, but socially I am just an American that would like to find the opportunity that could come from this senseless death and make it the stepping stone to great things. I pray daily that some good will come from this. Much love to all....

People genuinely working hard to make changes, while others who have more are willingly giving a hand/ assistance to make their life better- I'm all for that kind of giving/assistance. But these last couple of generations (I'm not saying all people) many suffer from entitlement thinking, suffer from me-ness, and lack a strong sense of community. I blame much of it on technology and the isolation and th
Im so tired right now so I won't go back and quote everyone, but there have been so many good comments here.
Someone said that this was the "perfect storm" and I do think that is exactly right. Pandemic, political division, financial, high unemployment. This straw broke the camels back.

There are definitely groups with their own agenda to make protesters look bad and further divide our people. We really need to pull together now more than ever because our president wants division.

Someone said "Floyds death"-It was murder and we need to remember to call it what it was. Floyd was murdered.

I didn't read the articles on protesting but have in the past, and unfortunately destruction does bring change often times. (sad as that is). Martin Luther King tried to make change peacefully, but he was assassinated, and here we are.

I have friends with black sons and they have to teach their sons, beginning at an early age to not run, if in a car and stopped to keeps hands visible, to not put hands in pockets, etc. This is heartbreaking.

So much good discussion-I will have to re-read posts tomorrow and links suggested.

Just so deeply saddened by all of this, not because of the protests or even destruction, but more because it has to be done for people to be heard and demand this behavior is not acceptable and that things have not changed through peace.

Martin Luther King, Jr. is remembered and his beliefs for nonviolence in trying to achieve equality. Lincoln died for his beliefs regarding the Black race being considered 100% humans-not property............. Their death....a violence.....and these people are remembered through history.... .as change makers. I don't think Trump wants a divided country......I think he just wants to be Commander in Chief......and make the rules and dish
It took a lot of deaths to end World War II and bring about equality for Jewish throughout Europe. Violence can create change. Has done, many times over, throughout history. Sometimes for better, sometimes for worse. Always at an immense cost.

But violence is not necessary to create change - that's the point. It can be done peacefully. And if we can create change peacefully, that is always the path that we should go. The cost to all of us, of choosing the violent route, is incredibly high, and leaves wounds that can take centuries to heal.


Not at all. In fact, the idea that all lives matter? Is the only reason that the statement "Black Lives Matter" has any relevance at all.

Your value, that all lives matter equally? Is at the very core of the current movement. And, when the lived reality of citizens is that all lives matter, then we can change the parade cry to "All lives matter".

But until All Lives Matter is the lived reality of all parts of socitety, the BLM statement is a reminder that we still have work to do yet.

"All Lives Matter" is the goal of this movement - BLM is a statement that it is not yet the reality. The statement that All Lives Matter is the goal, but we can only create change when we recognise change is required, by addressing it directly, and allowing ourselves to have the conversation not just about what we want to achieve (All Lives Matter), but what needs to change (which is the value of the BLM statement - it points to the problem, and brings it into an open space for us to acknowledge we're not getting this right, and we need change in certain specific areas).

So, when you see someone holding a placard that says "Black Lives Matter", they aren't saying that BLM because if you're born with black skin you matter. They're saying BLM because all lives matter. The BLM placard is agreeing with your sentiment that all lives matter, and is doing nothing more than pointing to a space where we need to work harder to make that reality.

I don't think the real issue is Black Lives Matter-the issue is Police Brutality is Unacceptable for ALL and this broader viewpoint is all inclusive....When the policeman goes to court for his crime.....the race won't matter to the judge. While the lawyers and interested parties will focus on racism, in the end, it will be the brutality of his acts and that there is a dead man....murdered, that will send him to jail.

Violence leaves an imprint, a memory for all who endure violence, participate in violence, believe in violence, or have loved ones who were harmed by violence over a cause (in this case... race-based violence). Violence breeds hatred and malcontent and nothing more...it pumps people up and doesn't have anything to do with solving the problem...........this kind of violence is remembered..... for generations.....and violence breeds fear-and safety issues-and breeds expectatioins of more violence......violence is also used as an excuse for a cause............people use violence to justify their behavior or cause-while their behavior is breaking the law, and breaking down our society.....

Then, these stories like we are seeing now, will be passed down to their children, and their children's children, and of course....the facts for all sides....will be skewed...... and it doesn't matter which side of the fence you are on, all violence breeds hatred. Our children are born without hate, but many-not all, learn hatred in their own home................and those stories of violence are passed down for generations, dinner table conversations, remember when....... front porch talk.........supporting people's biases and fueling more bigotry for generations to come......and more hatred.....Blacks and Whites...alike.

You can't have change in the form of equality where hatred exists.......but you can strive to have equality where the solutions don't create such vivid memories of violence and hurt..... Police brutality is the issue......but many have made the issue a racial thing-.....Consider if all come together over the issue of police brutality (and set aside the concept of racism), rather than making it a race-based issue..everyone held a sign that said, "Our Lives Do Matter." Unification of many may likely have better chance of change when all kinds of folks are behind the movement-and not just one segment of the population ......police brutality is unacceptable for anyone....no matter the color of their skin or how different they may be. It is coming together for mutual benefit....nonviolently uniting all opposed to police brutality...... gets more people in the cause, and a unified approach has a greater likelihood of making permanent change with the fewest casualities, and as a byproduct, working together for a mutual cause might be more likely to effect in narrowing the racial divide. However, as long as hatred exists...and hatred fuels people's responses to injustice...... and racism is the focus and not police brutality, I see little opportunity for the kind of change that is needed to make this world a better place for all to live-together....especially, if violence are methods used to try to create change by those who want equality.
 
Police officers need to be taught how to deescalate instead of escalate
this is now required in washington and oregon as part of the police academy. It is mostly how to deescalate when dealing with the mentally ill but same skills apply to anyone who is wound up
What's not needed is officers with questionable orders enforced from on top and those whose personal prejudices - of any type - get in the way of being professional...
Ya - when a department goes really south and you start looking at the history of the department you will usually find it wasn't a one time thing. But. That doesn't mean it's open hunting for all cops - just because they happen to work in that environment

Personally, I've wondered how I'd react to someone crashing into my house in the middle of the night. I honestly would like to think I'd fight back, but then I'd most likely end up dead before we all ever figured out what was going on, huh?
As the person on the phone when that happens? People believe they know how they are going to handle it but unless you are trained to respond in that kind of crisis you won't have a clue what to do. The adrenaline dump is way to much for most people to function. Doesn't mean you wouldn't be able to fight back -- just means that it doesn't always work the way people expect

Plus you have NO idea how many times I heard "I have my gun out - what should I do?"
Are you kidding me? If you have to ask that question you shouldn't own a gun!


Also just an FYI a traffic stop is the most deadly situation for ANY police officer even more so than a crack house
My dispatch checks on officers every 5 minutes when they are on a traffic stop.
Sounds good right? I mean, how long is 5 minutes?
During training we set a timer and then say - you've just stopped a car and the person has charged you and you are fighting for your life.
Now I want you to jump up and down and scream "stop resisting" until I tell you to stop.
That's how long 5 minutes is. They usually give up around the 3 minute point and I have to remind them their lives depend on continuing the fight. I
f you stop you die
Now jump up and down for another 10 minutes -- while you are waiting for your back up to get there.
If you stop you die.

That's a traffic stop gone bad.

So our police force is always out gunned and out numbered.
People don't get it. Cops are nothing more than moving targets to a huge part of the population. They deal with 20% of the population 80% of the time. So the chances are high that everyone they come in contact with on a shift wants' to kill them. Just for being cops. Because there are ALWAYS more bad guys than cops. And the bad guys know that

Does this excuse the brutality? Oh hell no.
Cops that cross the line need to be prosecuted just like any other criminal.
Administrators that cover up bad cops need to be prosecuted just like any other criminal.

But racism in America is way more than just bad cops
It's an generational problem that impacts all aspects of peoples lives
The problem is finding out how to fix it.
Because protests are great for raising awareness, but this is something that will require changing hearts and minds -- and that's going to take time. And, sadly, if all that people remember later is the violence and looting then they won't want to help fix the things that caused the protests in the first place..
 
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