News Events around the George Floyd protests and riots, US and beyond

[blackemerald1]

They are going to do research in to racism and Covid19:

^omg another talkfest. ! Just thinking how many good ways that money could be used in those districts aside from having morning tea and biscuits all round for six months. :hilarious:

 

[TruthSeeker]

I personally disagree with this.

It isn't helpful for me processing my trauma, and achieving a degree of post traumatic growth, for people to just hug me and nod if I say, "Men are misogynistic rapists". Or more relevantly in this thread, "Cops are racist bigots".

When I'm bringing my personal trauma bias into a conversation that isn't about me and my trauma, it's both helpful and healthy for someone to tap me on the shoulder and say, "Yo, Sideways, maybe you're thinking isn't totally straight on this issue right now". JMHO.

Please don't: Why you should stop saying "all lives matter," explained in 9 different ways

This comic is a good illustration

(please....click on the link)

Saying Black Lives Matter is segregationist is very much like saying "support breast cancer research" is doing damage to research on the other cancers.

Honestly - I used to think that All Lives Matter would be a better, more apt battle cry. That was until I saw some actual racists exercising their actual racism on actual people. On actual Black people.

I've seen it impact all sorts of races and ethnicities, now....and the truth is - it's not even the same. The racism my friend's Korean husband gets is different from the racism my friend from Mexico gets. And my Black friends and co-workers, they get it differently too.

Me? I'm white. So no way in hell am I going to tell any Black person in America that BLM is too isolationist, too confrontational...that we, the white majority, are feeling left out.

If you think it's wrong to say Black Lives Matter - because it somehow implies that Black lives matter more than other lives - then it's pretty safe to say, your assumption indicates at best your myopia, and at worst, your unconscious (or conscious) fear of Black people. And that is what is segregationist.

I am hearing reports of peaceful protesters taking control of the situation when someone throws a rock or a brick at the cops. It gives me hope. I want the nation to realize that police racism and brutality is a real thing, but no one is going to hear that message when the news is all about looting and police retaliation. it has to start somewhere and if it starts with five big peaceful protesters picking up and delivering some spraypainting rock-throwing riot starter to the police, that's where it starts. This is getting hopeful folks, good!

I'm all for protesting for change if the means is peaceful.

 

[TruthSeeker]

I personally don't take offense to being called a "white people". I am one.
What I take exception to is the automatic assumptions about my character based on the amount of melanin in my skin. That because I'm white must mean I care less about people that look different than me. That my refusal to focus on one person over another because it's politically convenient this week.

Black lives do matter, absolutely. Every single human being has their own soul. Every human life is unique and precious, irregardless of what they look like. My compassion for all people doesn't take away from anyone. I don't care any less about black people because I acknowledge other people exist at the same time.

God this is frustrating. When did a it become racist to refuse to fixate on race?

As a teacher of 30 years, I didn't go to school and see a black kid sitting in front of me, a hispanic kid, a disabled kid, or a white kid. I saw them as people..........human beings-souls I could help.......my focus never had to do with skin color (unless some kid came in with racist attitudes-and I can guarantee he didn't leave my room without learning different) and I have to say ..... I spent my lifetime teaching everyone of my kids in my class that it is not skin color that matters, it is character and being real.....walking your talk. It is friendship, and caring, and helping others when things get bad. I believe that in my heart. It is the approach with which we take in the world to solving problems that gains us respect as human beings-I spent 30 years teaching that philosophy. I also taught peaceful protest as a means towards change, not violence-violence and hatred keep racism alive. I'm opposed to any measures which hurt others or keep the cycle going. Some broad "white statements" about those of us who "really don't see in color nor care about the color of a person's skin" are racist or myopic. I don't think it helps the BLM movement if you make judging statement about someone with an different opinion.

I hear you.


I also hear that it’s the real lived experience of people experiencing this fear everyday .


I also know- from living with my dad and knowing some of colleagues - that fear and low expectation was my daily , every day , life expectation.

I think statistics bear out that there are problems and that isn’t denying the things you talk about - one could even suggest they reinforce problematic attitudes where they exist - and ambivalence where that is.

Also I asked but no one replied so I guess the answer is no but In case it was missed - has any one Watched 13th? It raised things I did not know and would be extremely concerning to me were I voting in USA

I'll check it out.

 

[Justmehere]

I found myself today on a street corner saying to someone on the phone “I have had enough. People in our country have had enough of discrimination against minorities.” Long story about how I was in a situation where that was fitting and legit to say... I was also almost upset.

Thing is, people nearby came running to ask if I was ok. I didn’t even know what to do with that. Things are changing. People are listening. Some are not but many more are listening. I see color. I also don’t. My biological family of origin is biracial and it is an issue and it’s also not one. It’s complicated? Or maybe it’s all painfully quite simple.

 

[Justmehere]

What the actual eff is wrong with people?!? What in the world would ever make this ok?!? Videos show cops slashing car tires at protests in Minneapolis

 

[blackemerald1]

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Take a break and have a look lol

 

[Neverthesame]

I had another post lined up here. However, I realised while I was re-reading the question I had asked, that I felt very uncomfortable.

I have been experiencing this feeling of discomfort quite often recently.
I think this is no longer a good place for me to be. Time for me to walk away.
Goodbye.

 

[lostforgottensoul]

I had another post lined up here. However, I realised while I was re-reading the question I had asked, that I felt very uncomfortable.

I have been experiencing this feeling of discomfort quite often recently.
I think this is no longer a good place for me to be. Time for me to walk away.
Goodbye.

I feel ya. Oh man do I feel ya!

“One of the important barriers our research will investigate is racism. There is a lot of evidence that social marginalisation and experiences of racism leads to further reductions in accessing timely healthcare and reduced health outcomes.

“There is also a historic evidence of racialisation of CALD people during pandemics, and there have been many reports of people from CALD backgrounds experiencing COVID-19-related racism.

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That sounds like a very intresting study! I wonder what they'll find.

Some Drs are opening this discussion on youtube. I have watched a few. Their experiences with racisim as a doctor and in the medical field. That is nice to see this discussion being had with doctors and the doors of discussion being opened.

 

[blackemerald1]

I wonder what they'll find.

The regional communities they are conducting the study in are very limited. Exactly how many cases of covid19 in those areas must be very, very and even statistically insignificant. Maybe even nil or perhaps worst case 2 or 3 infections?

Because overall the regional indigenous communities in Australia were heavily protected from outsiders bringing an infection in because of the specific vulnerabilities indigenous ppls have to the virus and comorbidity issues.

They're already saying they know what they'll find.. (that's the researchers) so not much independent exploration of new ideas going on :rolleyes:

The study isn't funded at all well ($30,000 au doesn't do much at the raw data level) and they've already stated they don't expect to change the service they're studying.

It takes a really long time to get funding to do research and studies. Lots of hoops and roundabouts to navigate. Things like privacy, ethics etc.

This didn't come about as a response to BLM or any other cause.

More likely somebody in it is doing a Phd and was awarded a grant and it makes for good press with the university right now because all of our Uni's, particularly the regional ones are in real trouble in so many ways.

But completely off topic. :sorry:

 

[Mee]

...it is an issue and it’s also not one. It’s complicated? Or maybe it’s all painfully quite simple.

Please excuse radical crop. I wanted to say I feel this so very much. This this this.

And I am glad people offered you help

 

[TruthSeeker]

This comic is a good illustration

(please....click on the link)

Saying Black Lives Matter is segregationist is very much like saying "support breast cancer research" is doing damage to research on the other cancers.

Honestly - I used to think that All Lives Matter would be a better, more apt battle cry. That was until I saw some actual racists exercising their actual racism on actual people. On actual Black people.

I've seen it impact all sorts of races and ethnicities, now....and the truth is - it's not even the same. The racism my friend's Korean husband gets is different from the racism my friend from Mexico gets. And my Black friends and co-workers, they get it differently too.

Me? I'm white. So no way in hell am I going to tell any Black person in America that BLM is too isolationist, too confrontational...that we, the white majority, are feeling left out.

If you think it's wrong to say Black Lives Matter - because it somehow implies that Black lives matter more than other lives - then it's pretty safe to say, your assumption indicates at best your myopia, and at worst, your unconscious (or conscious) fear of Black people. And that is what is segregationist.

@joeylittle I don't oppose the cause, just think the method to solve it might be more effectual if it were more inclusive. More inclusive is not bad or wrong (and you said that earlier)......it is just different....and not all white people believe in equality between the races...but I do. It is just how you get there.....that we differ on.

Then you go on to make it personal.....and that's unnecessary......and seriously unkind. I took a break from this post, after reading your post.....to respond....because this was seriously out of character for you........

You assume that my response has something to do with me as a white person being left out.....yeah....no. Not at all. I could care less.

You then assume my thinking is a result of a character flaw (myopia) or fear of black people....nope....(Maybe I'm flawed with naive thinking that blacks and whites can see each other as equals).....but I liked to believe in that possibility. I hate racism....and like you, after working to relocate refugees from all over the world, teaching in black inner city schools.....I still have hope for this world. But I'm allowed my opinion, and you can disagree......that's what forums are about.

But really, using the "if" word in the front of a sentence as a qualifier (so as to offend (called hit and run) followed by insults which bashed my character. Believing in a cause-any cause- without maintaining respect to everyone, doesn't help the cause. You might want to check your anger level over the topic, your need for control, and and your assumptions about my character. Consider rereading before posting your threads on this site so that you aren't consciously or unconsciously offensive towards any forum member who holds an opposing position to yours; and read their entire thread....and don't just don't take shit out of context.
Black lives do matter....and all of tho

I had another post lined up here. However, I realised while I was re-reading the question I had asked, that I felt very uncomfortable.

I have been experiencing this feeling of discomfort quite often recently.
I think this is no longer a good place for me to be. Time for me to walk away.
Goodbye.

I came to this thread to hear everyone's ideas and expand my own. Then, my personal beliefs-which are empathetic and supportive, was met with character insults from the OP. Yeah....this isn't a good place for me to be....and just because you, as OP can.....throw darts at opposing views and get personal with your assumptive insults (qualifying insults with "if"-is a hit and run writing tactic).....doesn't mean you should. You need to check your anger. I'm out of here, too. Bye.

 

[Chris-duck]

My heart also goes out to the two rookies that were with him. One actually pointed out he was hurting George and was told to STFU. Rookies don't question. So they have lost their careers and are facing charges because they were in an impossible situation.

Hm. I find this an interesting stance. I, personally, find them equally guilty. They could have stopped it and chose their career over another humans life. I cannot imagine a scenario where I would value my job over a life. So that, in itself, is an issue with law enforcement.

As baby nurses we are taught to stand up to everything that we don't feel is right, a system where people need to shut up due to heirarchy, even when it results in a death, is not a system I think can protect me.