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Do all your mental health conditions stem from trauma?

PamelaS

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It seems that many of us have been diagnosed and re-diagnosed and misdiagnosed and been accordingly mistreated for all of our ailments. I recently saw a post by arfie describing just this. I have often thought and would like to know your thoughts on whether most, if not all mental illness stems from trauma. Thanks for enlightening me with your input from your experience. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts. ❤️
 
arfity arf arf, arfin arf.

psychology is an infant science, and still inventing itself. rapid cycling name changes to be expected. was "manic depression" a misdiagnosis when the name changed to, "bipolar?" for sure medical doctors were relieved when they no longer had to compete with the likes of winston churchill and stephen spielberg for their acronym. personally, i was kinda relieved for the name change from "civilian shell shock" to "post-traumatic stress disorder," though the acronym, "css" might be cooler than, "ptsd." was i mistreated over the course of being a lab rat for all that scientific development (1972 to present)? i was caught between a proverbial rock and hard place. i thank the unsung heroes who stood with me, taking their best guesses with the information and training which was available. healing happened and they helped the best they could. thank you.

i don't know that i care to have an opinion on the root causes of mental illness. i don't believe that information is currently available. research in progress.

just woofin. . . arfity arf arf arfin arf. thank you for the woof-ortunity, pamela.
 
That appears to be pretty close to what Mate says in The Myth of Normal. For me, I was misdiagnosed with a neuro condition. I have it but all my PTSD stuff was attributed to it. Once it was figured out my quality of life has skyrocketed. I think I am the only person ever that was joyful with a PTSD diagnosis as there is something I can do about it as opposed to being told I had a rotting brain and was headed for a wheelchair.
 
would like to know your thoughts on whether most, if not all mental illness stems from trauma.
I have a very hard time with the term "mental illness." In the West, we create pathology out of everything, and medical research is truly in its infancy. But no, some issues that are under that umbrella happen as a result of physiological differences in the brain, drugs that trigger those differences, genetics, and likely a whole lot of other stuff that is not trauma.
 
It's not in it's infancy at all. There are plenty of research, not all is public information. There's brain scans and all that stuff. You have to have a certain IQ to do certain jobs understand certain things for a reason. 🙄

Before the 20th century people were just "crazy" but certain pathways in the brain creates certain mental health conditions, many can appear similar but there's so many for a reason!! Whether born that way, cold be genetic or not or caused by *something*.
 
It's not in it's infancy at all. There are plenty of research, not all is public information. There's brain scans and all that stuff. You have to have a certain IQ to do certain jobs understand certain things for a reason.
Well, I'll agree to disagree on that point. But even if you talk to doctors and researchers, and read medical/scientific works, you'll see that even the folks who are knee-deep in the research agree that we only know a very small fraction of what there is to know about the human body/brain, and even less about the mind.
 
I had a great neurologist for my neuro condition. He was from India and he was just a great guy to chat with. One time I asked him if he could name a time at which looking back 40 years and not think that the treatment of people with neurological or mental health conditions was barbaric. He couldn’t identify such a time so I followed up with asking if there was any reason to think the current time wasn’t the same. He said there was no reason to think the current time was any different. We went on about all the advances in medicine but concluded that if you know 1% about something and you double your knowledge you still only know 2% of what is really going on. I think that is where we are at. I am really grateful for all the advances made but we are really just scratching the surface. Understanding this is just part of the wonder and adventure of life. I am really lucky to live in a town where the neurodiverse are welcome. It is really cool, there is an acceptance of how varied the experience of living a human life can be. Everyone is treated like the full human being that they are. Nobody wastes time talking about diversity or inclusion, everyone just lives it.
 
Well, I'll agree to disagree on that point. But even if you talk to doctors and researchers, and read medical/scientific works, you'll see that even the folks who are knee-deep in the research agree that we only know a very small fraction of what there is to know about the human body/brain, and even less about the mind.
There's some debate on the 'We only use 10% of our brain" fact but the studys out there are enough to explain some illnesses, I don't mean treat, just explain enough to understand.

My point still stands and that's what I believe even if I'm "wrong".
 
i think a lot of mental illnesses are, or often are traumagenic. some it’s on paper and others there’s just a strong pattern. trauma (wether violent, sexual, neglect based, a mix, something else) is what has a lot of power to make us/the brain start trying to cope in maladaptive ways. we’re not meant to experience such hardship so there’s only so much you can compensate healthily, especially as a child.
i developed severe OCD following being retraumatised.
a friend of mine with BPD has discovered a strong correlation between her disorder and parental neglect in childhood, as she’s been diagnosed and entered therapy.

of course there are also modifiers to this, pretty sure we know that there is genetic basis to being predisposed to certain mental illnesses. like some people are innately more vulnerable to alcohol addiction/dependency. so when things get hard it’s more likely to tip in that direction/thought pattern than other coping mechanisms.


i think a lot of it is a mix of nature and nurture? some people are born with underlying weaknesses (ie spinal problems) and certain strain can make them finally show up and be an issue, quicker than for another person. both can still develop the herniated disc but one much easier than the other.

traumatic environment lends itself to not being able to manage things like anxiety early in life, so what could’ve been a predisposition that’s developed management/control over in a healthy environment, and isn’t much of an issue in adulthood (and more of a natural human variation), becomes a much more debilitating problem (clinical anxiety disorders?) because of xyz trauma reinforcing it and xyz circumstances not being safe/stable enough to develop and learn/be taught those skills.

stuff runs in families too, wether it’s inherited or learnt/taught or combinations of both…

it's a really interesting topic.
obviously the brain and parts that regulate hormones are physical things so i’m sure genetic or otherwise developed changes in those can affect mood a lot, like TBIs can. but i am really curious what the numbers are in clinically recognised depression, what’s environmental/traumagenic and what’s genetic/developmental? internal and external causes. i don’t think we have surefire ways to measure that but hypothetically i’m super curious.

that’s my thoughts on it, anyway.
there’s a bunch of factors, trauma can definitely be one of or the one for sure, depending on what it is. but sometimes it probably isn’t?

mental illness is a sliding scale, too, we’re not either with x or without it, mental illnesses are natural human thoughts/behaviours at a harmful/debilitating/distressing degree. lots of people get traumatised but don’t “have” PTSD. you can also be dxed with something and potentially not meet criteria anymore in a few years. (and it may or may not still be a significant risk to fall back into (like EDs)) obviously it doesn't apply to everything, especially in traumagenic disorders (like PTSD, DID). but it’s not really the haves and have-nots, more so the “typical/below threshold” and “above threshold” behaviours.

i think i was dxed with anxiety and depression as a child, i would say that those things are very dependent on how i’m doing trauma wise and don’t merit their own thing (anymore?). i don’t think the depression is its own issue that persists independently of that for me, unlike potentially my mother who medicates to function normally. and depending on which parts of my system are around, i’d put the anxiety in general life as a footnote nowadays. i still can get very anxious but it’s very trauma related and interferes with my life very differently than it did when everything was debilitatingly anxiety inducing as a preteen/teen. i think it has much more plasticity and going to therapy to target specifically anxiety and do some CBT would (and has been) pretty useless to me. it definitely helped but not in the heavily trauma-backed territory. But some people i know would extremely benefit from that, because the anxiety is the main issue, not something lurking deep underneath. and they struggle much more than i do with it.

that’s the problem at the moment i think, not understanding the gradient aspect of it. it’s all seen as black and white so pretty much anyone is seen as having a clinically bad problem when it’s not actually like that. often seen in people armchair diagnosing strangers etc. especially online, anyone who is a jerk and/or not well liked is pinned a personality disorder.
 
That appears to be pretty close to what Mate says in The Myth of Normal. For me, I was misdiagnosed with a neuro condition. I have it but all my PTSD stuff was attributed to it. Once it was figured out my quality of life has skyrocketed. I think I am the only person ever that was joyful with a PTSD diagnosis as there is something I can do about it as opposed to being told I had a rotting brain and was headed for a wheelchair.
I’m so sorry for that ominous diagnosis. Having suffered for nearly 25 years from multiple incurable physical conditions, and nearly facing death multiple times, I understand. I guess as things develop, we all have to be lab rats in the process, as arfie describes. I’m thankful for the developments and the things they have now come to learn about our brain. That we are not doomed with the same brain we were born with, that our brains develop and are changeable, thanks to the discovery of neuroplasticity. That discovery gives me the most hope, that as we choose to focus our thoughts in newer, healthier ways, our brain actually creates new neuropathways as the old unhealthy ones fade away. But we magnify is multiplied, and it gives us hope of a better future.
I’m so very thankful for this forum and for all of you for being vulnerable and sharing your stories to encourage all of us. I have truly come to a much better place in dealing with my mental health through all of you and everything that Anthony provides here. My hope and prayer for all of us is that tomorrow will be a bit brighter for all of us, one day at a time, one step at a time. Thanks again, everyone. Have a great weekend.🙏🥰
 

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