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My Valium Experiment

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I have been taking a regular daily dosage of Valium since May 2009 from an incident in a town of Orange where I was mistreated by a medical practitioner which pushed me over the edge from PTS to PTSD (as I still suffer today - high functioning thankfully).​

In the two years my dosage has not changed other than taking an afternoon dosage when going to see a client who I know will stress me out or being in a highly stressful situation. My other medication I take twice daily which inspired Anthony's trial.​

I only take Valium once a day as I couldn't get up and go to work - dry retching from the stress. I only take an afternoon or evening dosage on stressful days and am allowed to manage whether I take a full or half tablet. I haven't built up a tolerance to it nor are the doctors concerned about it or addiction or a need to take a break after two years.​
 
I experienced nothing but getting worse on SSRI's... probably why the experts are leaning more away from them now with PTSD. I get the initial assumptions, SSRI's are an antidepressant and also they found improvement in treating anxiety, so they thought... hallelujah, an all round winner. What I believe they're now finding from results of years studying SSRI's with PTSD, is that the depression is not normal depression, so by treating a person with SSRI's, you are actually making them chemically depressed when the person never was in the first place... they where behaviourally depressed due to the anxiety and symptoms in general. Different types of depression require different treatments.

Basically, SSRI's explain why a majority with PTSD get more depressed than without SSRI's. So now they're focused more on medications to treat the anxiety only, not via any type of antidepressant / anxiety cross med, and finding the depression is substantially decreasing as a result of targeting the anxiety alone, thus confirming the depression is behavioural based, not chemically based. PTSD sufferers are showing better results with this treatment, being an older form of treatment before SSRI's came along, than with the newer hyped SSRI option.

Things like Alprazolam (Xanax), Clonazepam (Klonopin), Diazepam (Valium, Diastat) and Lorazepam (Ativan) have all been frowned upon because of there addictive qualities, yet they do the job far better than SSRI's for PTSD. Saying that, Xanax is short bursting, so its no good for daily PTSD treatment vs. panic attacks only. So if you treat with Valium / Diastat instead, there should be no reason for use of something like Xanax. Ativan is short to medium burst, so still now as long lasting as Valium, but better than Xanax.

Both Xanax and Ativan are highly addictive, hence the struggle to get them, because they are primarily to treat panic attacks... where valium treats the anxiety alone at a general level, so physicians prefer to prescribe Valium as the safest option.
 
Your take on depression from anxiety makes a lot of sense to me. I had to learn how to manage with my stress and was taking an SSRI but when the anxiety got bad I suddenly had some sort of severe depression that landed me in the hospital with anxiety that I couldn't manage on my own. If it weren't for the fact that Celexa is helping some with my anxiety I wouldn't take it at all.
I have come to realize that the most important thing is healthy sleep and waking up, taking a shower, reading the paper and going to look for a job or mowing the lawn. Soon I think I'm going to test if I even need the Celexa, I have always thought it was my anxiety that drove my depression. Many will tell you if you dont already know that they go hand in hand.

I never liked it when I was on Ativan, I was always waiting to take that next pill. That is why I think Valium is the appropriate one for my ptsd. I went to my doc once saying that Ativan was not working for me anymore, he responded with a prescription of Diazepam instead saying that this one lasts longer but its not as strong as Ativan, it takes a little longer to kick in but when it wears off the rebound is not nearly as bad. I learned that if you take it as a daily/nightly plan you really dont have a rebound at all, you have the next dose in you long before that happens.
 
I guess I must be backwards as usual. My body is hyper sensitive to any medications. SSRI's do help my depression, but can increase my anxiety and I do develop a tolerance. Valium in any dose knocks me out. My dr increased the dosage of my wellbutrin from 150mg to 300mg and it mades me sick as hell. I gutted it out for 6 weeks and the decided to experiment by going off it and sure enough the flu symptoms and muscle pain abated. Went back on and felt sick again. Problem was, going off cold turkey (I was told that you can't cut the 300 mg XL in half for some reason) made me suicidal.

This is making me wonder if I could just take the wellbutrin 150 mg every other day and still gain benefits without developing a tolerance. My T wants me to see a psychiatrist now for meds instead of my GP. I wonder if I can find one that is willing to not push meds down my throat and let me experiment a little.
 
Iam I take just over half of the dosage my Dr wants me to take of Moclobemide for my anxiety (not the same family as SSRI's as I can't tolerate those) as anything above it - even 25mg will make me sick. I am supposed to be taking 300mg and only take 175mg as anything above that makes me sick - within the hour. Apparently 300mg is the recommended dosage but I had to cut it back to be able to take it to reap the benefits and not be sick.
 
Sound a lot like me Nicolette. My trauma T said yesterday that it's pretty common with PTSD. Especially for anyone who has been under long term stress and trauma. She said she has found many of her clients have hypersensitive systems. Guess it makes sense. Good for you in being proactive and doing what you know is best for your body.

I took the 150 mg of wellbutrin this afternoon and felt sick fairly fast. At first I thought it might be pysycho-somatic, but then I realized it came on out of the blue. I feel better now though so am hoping it was just kind of a first rush type thing. Hopefully a trauma psychiatrist will have a better idea of what might work. I am really beginning to think I may just need to be happy with taking the edge off the depression, use coping skills for the rest and hope that I can eventually feel happy again. GAH......just to be normal.....is that too much to ask???? Don't have to answer that LOL!
 
I don't think what I take is legal over your way Iam but it is a differently family to the others which I just could not tolerate. I can tell the difference when I have forgotten to take my medication so perhaps you need to listen to your body and guide your doctors as they were telling me to keep going when I knew after 24 hours the medication was making me worse. I stood my ground and found something which worked but only from being determined to listen to me and not the doctors when it came to reactions and side effects.
 
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The SSRI I've been taking for close to six years now (Trevilor) has been helping me a lot. I don't take any anxiety meds except as emergency med, and they made things worse, since I was still panicking, but too tired to do anything about it. I tried Citalopram once (a different SSRI, before I got onto Trevilor and it was horrible).

Do you think this has to do with me having PTSD because of complex trauma, or am I one of the lucky few who have genuine depression in addition to their PTSD? (I won't ask if maybe I'm just depressed and the trauma was just in my head, no, I won't ask that, I won't ask that, I won't...)
 
Anthony, I have been on a lot of medication. This family of drugs was the easiest for me the get rid of when it was time. I had less side effects and low dosages helped my panic attacks immensely. At times I was feeling better I could go off easily for periods of times and then go back on.

I wouldn't worry to much about it.
 
Do you think this has to do with me having PTSD because of complex trauma, or am I one of the lucky few who have genuine depression in addition to their PTSD?

I know what you mean FN. I have been DX'd with MDD in addition to PTSD by two different psychiatrists. I believe for me it is a correct diagnosis simply because the SSRI's do help. I can be symptom free other than the depression. Of course when severely PTSD symptomatic the depression gets far worse and throw me into a major depressive episode. It's so hard to untangle everything and gets frustrating doesn't it?
 
Iam... I was diagnosed with Major Depressive Disorder as well, when diagnosed with my PTSD... and my little valium experiment seems to be backing what the experts are actually saying about PTSD depression. Its mood based depression due to the anxiety, not chemical depression.

I just had a quite severe down period for the last few days, and every other time since being diagnosed, I would get extremely depressed... this is the first time I actually didn't get majorily depressed as a result of PTSD hitting me, and instead I felt minor depression at most, nothing that even made me want to eat.

This is not a debate about SSRI's or such. SSRI's will work for some, but there has been an inherit issue that treating PTSD with SSRI's hasn't been working as well as pharmaceutical companies and positive studies published would have you believe. If you read the references in the chemical imbalance wiki page, you will see that when subpoenaed, they actually found the FDA had been holding out publishing negative studies about SSRI's and publishing only positive results. It showed FDA bias in publishing pharmaceutical results. When reviewed, SSRI's actually have more negative results than positive, therefor, backing what experts are saying with PTSD, SSRI's are no longer the preferred treatment option because they believe why they don't work is because the SSRI is creating an actual imbalance within the bodies natural chemicals, thus creating a depression that is chemically based, where PTSD is creating a depression that is mood based.

By targeting the anxiety, being mood, their finding that alone removes the depression effect.

After just trying this now for myself, I will confirm with my own little trial, their on a winner with this strategy IMO. Jimmy actually tried the same thing as what I am trying here, suddenly his overall results with depression have also improved and the residual anxiety that creates worst anxiety, then a mood based depression.

SSRI's where never given as first line treatment based on any real fact for PTSD, only the theory published by the pharmaceutical companies themselves based on the Pax Medica model, which neuroscience has now empirically concluded as total nonsense. Technology is allowing medicine to conclude far better findings than biased theoretical models only from a pharmaceutical company who have a little bias, topped off with the FDA itself not publishing an overwhelming basis of negative results for SSRI's vs. the claimed positive only published results.

Because they found SSRI's to treat both depression and anxiety, they theorized that this was an excellent all-round medication for PTSD... but the facts from neuroscience are showing vastly different results, with the majority of PTSD sufferers not showing any type of chemical depression, which leave mood depression. Biological depression is not treatable, period... so if you have that, its only treatment is healthy living and cognitive exercise. Very very rare though.

There is never going to be one solution that fits all.... it just won't happen. But the majority have been lied to that SSRI's are the viable option for PTSD, because there not, and the experts and gaining significant momentum proving this by finally looking outside the box due to neuroscience. Treating the anxiety will become the majority treatment for PTSD in the coming years, not treating the depression via an anti-depressant, often making the depression worse as a majority basis.
 
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