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Marilyn, do you have a gun?
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In regard to the United States Constitution, it is not a document of law! It is a document of legislation! There is a difference. It is not meant to create barriers to freedom via new laws. It is a document set in place to insure that personal liberties are not taken away from the American people. The United States Constitution has nothing to do with its social chaos. Its social chaos is a result of disparity of wealth, power and well being resulting from being a completely free market economy with very few restrictions on large corperations who tend to have few scruples in reference to maintenance of wealth in the hand of the rich and powerful few stockholders..
Anthony,
No, I do not own a gun. I am by law not allowed to own a gun due to my psychiatric hospitalizations. However, my husband owns fire arms that are locked safely in a gun safe of which I have no access to for my own safety until I am fully healed.
Diversity may cause some problems but it is the beauty of the United States.
No, I do not own a gun. I am by law not allowed to own a gun due to my psychiatric hospitalizations. However, my husband owns fire arms that are locked safely in a gun safe of which I have no access to for my own safety until I am fully healed.
Diversity may cause some problems but it is the beauty of the United States.
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Law or legislation, all aspects must be capable of change as society itself changes, that is more proactive to the best interests of protecting rights or human beings than attempting to live by legislation or law outdated.
So you still could access them if you really wanted too... I have little doubt about that. There are so many American citizens on this forum with PTSD, unstable, yet bear arms and believe it is their right. If you have no access to them, you are the first to come out with that. Others seem to be proud of having a gun with PTSD, and lets not stuff about here, PTSD = unstable especially when not fully controlled. If you have depressive bouts, anxiety and and up and down emotionally on a regular basis, then that equates to unstable in my books.
Me... I am stable, and still would not have gun in my house just knowing that I have PTSD, and if something did come up and through me over the edge near instantly, I know I cannot grab it and either kill myself or another so easily.
My statement about immigration is not talking about racism, it is talking about the mere facts of putting many cultures in one country all with different morals, values, ethics and culturalistic values, equals social chaos. Every country or city where immigration has not been controlled strictly to ensure immigrants have time to become culturalistically aware of their new country, tend to become a chaotic mess instead. Sydney is an example of that in Australia, hence why Australian immigration has been tightened up so much where near nobody can immigrate here unless highly skilled. Visit, yes, immigrate, no. I dare say that won't change any time soon either until Sydney socially calms down a little, because if it wasn't stopped at the cause, other cities would then follow to become explosive socially, hence the entire country would have followed America, and be waiting to implode. Now, it is controlled to ensure immigrants have a decade or two in order to socially adjust to Australian ways, as should any immigrant if immigrating to America, as an example, should adopt American culturalistic values, but not disregard their own, simply their own have a place, and that is not to butt heads with the majority, being American cultural values.
This is where the readily available possession of guns comes into play IMHO. All bad...
So you still could access them if you really wanted too... I have little doubt about that. There are so many American citizens on this forum with PTSD, unstable, yet bear arms and believe it is their right. If you have no access to them, you are the first to come out with that. Others seem to be proud of having a gun with PTSD, and lets not stuff about here, PTSD = unstable especially when not fully controlled. If you have depressive bouts, anxiety and and up and down emotionally on a regular basis, then that equates to unstable in my books.
Me... I am stable, and still would not have gun in my house just knowing that I have PTSD, and if something did come up and through me over the edge near instantly, I know I cannot grab it and either kill myself or another so easily.
My statement about immigration is not talking about racism, it is talking about the mere facts of putting many cultures in one country all with different morals, values, ethics and culturalistic values, equals social chaos. Every country or city where immigration has not been controlled strictly to ensure immigrants have time to become culturalistically aware of their new country, tend to become a chaotic mess instead. Sydney is an example of that in Australia, hence why Australian immigration has been tightened up so much where near nobody can immigrate here unless highly skilled. Visit, yes, immigrate, no. I dare say that won't change any time soon either until Sydney socially calms down a little, because if it wasn't stopped at the cause, other cities would then follow to become explosive socially, hence the entire country would have followed America, and be waiting to implode. Now, it is controlled to ensure immigrants have a decade or two in order to socially adjust to Australian ways, as should any immigrant if immigrating to America, as an example, should adopt American culturalistic values, but not disregard their own, simply their own have a place, and that is not to butt heads with the majority, being American cultural values.
This is where the readily available possession of guns comes into play IMHO. All bad...
It doesn't matter what country, what laws, what restrictions...if someone wants a gun bad enough...there are plenty of ways to get one. If someone is disturbed enough to kill 33 classmates and teachers...nothing's going to stop them.
Countries that have anti-gun laws still have gun crime. Countries that don't have anti-gun laws still have gun crime. Black markets, illegals sales, etc. won't stop because legislatures say 'no more'.
BTW-the US Constitution can and has been amended many times. Nothing is set in stone. If enough of the population wants a change, then there is a process for change.
Countries that have anti-gun laws still have gun crime. Countries that don't have anti-gun laws still have gun crime. Black markets, illegals sales, etc. won't stop because legislatures say 'no more'.
BTW-the US Constitution can and has been amended many times. Nothing is set in stone. If enough of the population wants a change, then there is a process for change.
Ha - $5000 per bullet! I love that idea. Then, however, we'd have to keep the ammunition out of the illegal market and the gun shows. I wish it could work!
Actually, the U.S. Constitution was a document written in order to create our government. If you read the whole thing before the amendments, that's what it does. Additional legislation, of the like created by the U.S. Congress, derives from the principles and precedents set up in the Constitution and the Amendments (or, at least it's supposed to).
As for the notorious 2nd Amendment: legal and historical scholars have long debated and continue to debate exactly what the Founders intended with this one. I personally have to suspect that their recent history was very much in mind when they included it in the Bill of Rights (another name for the first 10 amendments). Remember, the Constitutional Convention took place in 1787, a mere four years after the Treaty of Paris sealed the peace between America and Britain. I mean, we wouldn't have had a chance against the British if the colonists had not formed local militias. Course, we wouldn't have won our independence without France, but that's getting off the subject.
By the way, I'm an American (as if you couldn't tell :-)). My husband and I don't own a gun. Nor would we want to.
Actually, the U.S. Constitution was a document written in order to create our government. If you read the whole thing before the amendments, that's what it does. Additional legislation, of the like created by the U.S. Congress, derives from the principles and precedents set up in the Constitution and the Amendments (or, at least it's supposed to).
As for the notorious 2nd Amendment: legal and historical scholars have long debated and continue to debate exactly what the Founders intended with this one. I personally have to suspect that their recent history was very much in mind when they included it in the Bill of Rights (another name for the first 10 amendments). Remember, the Constitutional Convention took place in 1787, a mere four years after the Treaty of Paris sealed the peace between America and Britain. I mean, we wouldn't have had a chance against the British if the colonists had not formed local militias. Course, we wouldn't have won our independence without France, but that's getting off the subject.
By the way, I'm an American (as if you couldn't tell :-)). My husband and I don't own a gun. Nor would we want to.
Anthony, I agree that thenbullets must be expensive. This way, a person will think twice before spending them. Not $5000, but 100 per each would be reasonable.
Also I would obligate gun owners to attend target practice every week or so.
But, you write about someone attacks you with a fist... Well, it may be not exactly a fist, but a club or a bat. If a few guys will attack me with that, it is a death scenyence for me. This is why, in the case of attack, I want something which can counteract - A 9 mm PISTOL, at very least. I do not thing that bastards who attack other people deserve to live. And will feel perfectly fine to kill them. Hell, if someone else in VT had a gun, there would be less victims!
I will not consider a gun for as long as living with someone, at least for now, since with my issues I can kill a family member. But if live alone, I will need it.
I also totaly agree with what you said about adopting the culture of the country you came into. I think that assimilation must be an immigrant's responsibility. But too bad, not too many people understand that, and this is one of the things that will kill the US in a not far away future. Hope I will be in Nicaragua by this time.
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Is it not a direct correlation that the thought pattern to be armed just in case someone attacks me, is not a pattern that is directly distinguished towards insanity? That is like someone who thinks people are out to get them, so they take precautions because their mind is telling them such stories, often schizophrenia is the name given to this logic.
What type of brain washing logic is that? That is an excuse to justify, not a reason to bear arms. Can someone please provide a legitimate reason, not an excuse to why any person should have the right to bear arms in public, apart from police? I just don't see it, thus I may be thick when it comes to this subject... so if someone could kindly give me a factual and legitimate reason to bear arms, instead of a "what if" excuse to justify the cause, that would be much appreciated.
What type of brain washing logic is that? That is an excuse to justify, not a reason to bear arms. Can someone please provide a legitimate reason, not an excuse to why any person should have the right to bear arms in public, apart from police? I just don't see it, thus I may be thick when it comes to this subject... so if someone could kindly give me a factual and legitimate reason to bear arms, instead of a "what if" excuse to justify the cause, that would be much appreciated.
From our conception as a nation the world has been waiting for the U.S. To 'implode'. We are still here.
Unless you live here, with all of our troubles and successes, you will never understand our culture. All you have to go on is the pablum that the media feeds you from afar.
Different parts of our nation have different cultures. We have a few things in common, however. Our 'Inaleinable rights". Our constitution (have you read it?) garantees those rights in writing. It is the glue that holds us together. It is something we are proud of. Not all things "written in stone" are bad.To remove it would cause the very "implosion that Anthony writes of.
The "pandora's box" of firearms ownership was let out at this countries conception. The firearms culture will not go away. To try to legislate it away will cause the "implosion". There are over 70 million Firearms owners in America. 99.999999999% of these folks are desent, law abiding citizens just going about their lives.
I pray that those who have lost loved ones can find peace, and understand that this was the act of a madman. I am glad he didn't drive a gas tanker into the building or pull something like Mcvey did.
We have our problems here in the States, and violence is one of the biggest.
Wayne
Unless you live here, with all of our troubles and successes, you will never understand our culture. All you have to go on is the pablum that the media feeds you from afar.
Different parts of our nation have different cultures. We have a few things in common, however. Our 'Inaleinable rights". Our constitution (have you read it?) garantees those rights in writing. It is the glue that holds us together. It is something we are proud of. Not all things "written in stone" are bad.To remove it would cause the very "implosion that Anthony writes of.
The "pandora's box" of firearms ownership was let out at this countries conception. The firearms culture will not go away. To try to legislate it away will cause the "implosion". There are over 70 million Firearms owners in America. 99.999999999% of these folks are desent, law abiding citizens just going about their lives.
I pray that those who have lost loved ones can find peace, and understand that this was the act of a madman. I am glad he didn't drive a gas tanker into the building or pull something like Mcvey did.
We have our problems here in the States, and violence is one of the biggest.
Wayne
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Thanks Anthony, that brings us right back to my original question: what is the need to carry a gun?
With the arguments on this so far all I see is the same thing. What if I get whacked over the head by some fruitcake.... I need a gun to protect myself.....etc etc. In my opinion that's no way to live, always watching over your shoulder. In some ways it's understandable for people with PTSD to think this way but this isn't normal. This is one of the things that is bad about PTSD, hypervigolence etc. If there are 70 million people in the states that feel the need to have a gun then there are a hell of a lot of paranoid people there aren't there?
I understand when people first immigrated to America there was more lawlessness and a greater need for individuals to carry guns. Is the constitution from this period? When does it date from? Why isn't it out of date now?
With the arguments on this so far all I see is the same thing. What if I get whacked over the head by some fruitcake.... I need a gun to protect myself.....etc etc. In my opinion that's no way to live, always watching over your shoulder. In some ways it's understandable for people with PTSD to think this way but this isn't normal. This is one of the things that is bad about PTSD, hypervigolence etc. If there are 70 million people in the states that feel the need to have a gun then there are a hell of a lot of paranoid people there aren't there?
I understand when people first immigrated to America there was more lawlessness and a greater need for individuals to carry guns. Is the constitution from this period? When does it date from? Why isn't it out of date now?
For me bearing an firearm is same as using my seatbelts in the car, abeying stop signs on the road, locking my house door before going away, shutting down candles before go to bed, keeping a fire extinguisher and a first aid kit in my house and in my car, and so on. Yes, only a small minority if people get fire in their vehichles (by the way, I did get it once), but in a case of fire, an extinguisher can save you life. Yes, a harricain is not likely to hurt us, but I still keep stuff I may need in a case of a natural disaster. If you will see how many people keep fire extinguishers, first aid kits, or hurricain kits, you will be surprised of how many schizophrenics are around! By the way, none of those things are used unless needed. And the criminal's life worths nothing in the country where everyone can make enough money for food!
I live in a non-safe area and want to be prepared for as many unexpected situations as I can. Attack by someone is one of such situations. We were already broken in, and I want whoever wants to do it again to know that this house owners are prepared.
The reason to carry a firearm: I need to protect my life and my honor.
But if you want to thing that this is a schizophrenia, feel free to do so. This is a freedom of speach and thinking, right?
I live in a non-safe area and want to be prepared for as many unexpected situations as I can. Attack by someone is one of such situations. We were already broken in, and I want whoever wants to do it again to know that this house owners are prepared.
The reason to carry a firearm: I need to protect my life and my honor.
But if you want to thing that this is a schizophrenia, feel free to do so. This is a freedom of speach and thinking, right?
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