Low Gi/gl (low Carb/high Protein) Eating

[Britt.f7]

We have soo many chemicals and pesticides in our food and water, not to mention GM ( genetically modified) ones.

Sailorgal, I try to be careful but I also try not to think too much about this. If I did I would never eat.

My sister got some microorganism and it had to be reported to the Center for Disease Control.

Have you thought of seeing a proper eating disordered registered dietician?

I've seen a regular dietitian a few times when I was younger to find out what foods my stomach could tolerate. In this last year, my endocrinologist wanted me to see another one. Thing is, if I do eat, it is usually very healthy and very little. I get that I'm overweight and I also realize that he looked at me and thought I was lying. People who know me realize the truth. My illness has brought me to this spot with not being able to exercise. I'm hoping to build up.

Those anorexic thoughts have never left me. They are still there beneath this weight. Thank you for understanding this. I would like to hear more. Wasn't there a thread for that? Can't remember but I will look into it and start one if I can't find it.

They posted me a kit, then I had to take my own blood sample and post it to them

This reminds me of when I went to a holistic doctor and they had me give them a stool sample and sent it out to some lab. It came back that I had some bacteria and they said that I would feel better if I took this one medicine. I ended up getting very sick from it. I called my regular GI and he asked me how much I was on. He told me to stop immediately as that was four times the amount for a person my size. I never went back to the holistic doctor and I have been cautious about any medical or health treatment ever since. Even with regular docs.

I would be like you, I would have to research and find someone that I felt I could trust. Do you think an allergist could do the same treatment? I know when I had my son tested for allergies, they mentioned food allergies as a group of testing they could do. I've often wondered about it.

You have been extremely helpful with this thread Hashi and have, with the others, given me pause.

Thank you all!

 

[Sailorgal]

I think the most important thing is finding cooperation between the medical and natural but in the end you know your body best.

I remember reading stuff on another forum about people who had similar issues - food allergies, on prescriptions for depression, etc. and trying to find a balance.

Soo many food issues caused by psychological reasons. A lot of different things to consider.

Have you tried coconut oil?

 

[Abstract]

Thing is, if I do eat, it is usually very healthy and very little. I get that I'm overweight and I also realize that he looked at me and thought I was lying.

allergist could do the same treatment?

Hi Britt,
A proper allergist should be a very good bet for doing these types of tests. Have you seen a consultant? That may also be a good bet.

Proper registered eating disorder (ED) dieticians are very good at knowing how to work around health and psychological issues and help ones metabolism. And they are more likely to understand the issues that often come up post ED. What can often be very triggering (ED wise) for those who are overweight and have anorexia in their past is focussing on weight loss as a normal dietician would probably do. Or for many even over focus on health for that matter. Personally, as I said before, I also go with proper generally approved medical practice.

 

[Britt.f7]

Have you tried coconut oil?

For what?

 

[Hashi]

Hi Britt,

When you talk about the holistic doctor you saw, it sounds like you saw someone who wasn't properly trained or taking due care, and I'm sorry that happened. I'm afraid it isn't clear to me what type of practitioner you saw and what the context was/is where you are, because I don't know what's meant where you are by things like holistic doctor or even the term medicine. I'm in a different country with different practices, regulation and terminology.

If alternative/holistic treatments are regulated and practised responsibly, I'm all for them and much prefer them to mainstream/pharmaceutical/surgical approaches. I know a lot about them from my own research and experiences. I've also worked for a centre that researched complementary medicine, and still have a friend from there who carries out literature searches for me if I need one. So, my preference for alternative/holistic approaches is based on personal experience, on knowing a lot of practitioners and on research studies.

I'm very careful about alternative medicine, as I am with anything, and always check a practitioner's credentials, registration with a professional body, what sort of approaches they use and their experience. I'd also thoroughly check the history and principles of the therapy if I wasn't familiar with it.

Something worth noting is that more "natural" treatments aren't inherently harmless. They can have overly strong or unwanted effects. Herbal medicines, for example, can interact with each other and with drugs. Practitioners need to be properly trained and regulated, and treatments need to be given with care.

In terms of alternative approaches for food intolerance testing:

If I had the money I'd have gone to a good kinesiologist for intolerance testing and to support my body healing, alongside the different way of eating.

Other options that are often offered for intolerance testing are Vega testing and hair analysis. I wouldn't have these. Vega testing could be OK, but is easily carried out by someone who doesn't know enough about what they're doing. Hair analysis - no.

You can also do an elimination diet (very bland) for a month then test different foods by monitoring your pulse when you eat them. I think this is effective, but would definitely not recommend it for anyone with issues around eating. It's too restrictive and disruptive.

I'm afraid I don't know what an allergist is. As I'm sure you know, there's a difference between allergies (lifelong) and intolerances (temporary), I don't know if that's relevant. We don't have the same system as you, but if GI means gastro-intestinal doctor/specialist, would they deal with intolerances? Here, the most obvious choice would be a dietician as Abstract says (or a nutritionist/nutritional therapist)... as always, properly trained and affiliated, not just someone who's done some weekend courses or whatever.

 

[Hashi]

[quote="Sailorgal, post: 488910, member: 17948"Have you tried coconut oil?[/quote]

I've tried it for cooking aubergine, and the result wasn't a happy one. I don't think I'll ever eat it again! I don't bake or do any major recipes (and don't like curry). It's probably better for those but I don't think it seems suited to simple cooking, at least not for me.

I was miffed to have spent so much on a jar and have no use for it, so I've tried moisturising my feet with it at night. Wow, is that stuff greasy! Smells nice, though.

I have low-fat coconut milk in a smoothie every day, but that's as far as I can go, I think. I can't eat it as flakes or grated. It's too rich.

 

[Abstract]

Personally I don't believe in the accuracy of kinesiology testing or those little finger reading machines. :) I agree that elimination diets are probably one of the best ways of approaching it but they are just plain awful to do and I think can be triggering for those with eating disorder (ED). A very good way to go though I think.

I agree with Hashi that seeing a gastro-intestinal specialist/consultant may be a good idea as a whole but they won't be the person to go to for intolerance or allergy testing. They are better at testing if you have done damage to your villi etc and diagnosing digestive conditions. A bit like we would look at a psychiatrist diagnosing PTSD but not being the main source of treating it. Allergists can be the term that someone loosely uses for a technician but more commonly is the common term for a consultant who specialises in allergies and intolerance. Your dietician can still be the one who takes that information and uses to your benefit when they look at the day to day way you manage your health. Some consultants may foo foo intolerances a bit.

The best help I have ever received with my immune conditions on the whole has been from an immunologist (they are experts in all forms of allergies, intolerances and immune conditions and are often also commonly called allergists. This changed my life for me) but when it comes to digestive issues and nutrition registered dieticians have been the best for me. A nutritionist doesn't have to have had as much training and depending on the country there can be less or more controls over their registration and education. Some can still be good though. A registered dietician (RD) is registered and controlled and has a high level of education in nutrition and medical conditions relating to nutrition. RD's are often commonly called nutritionists too - I do this a lot. An ED RD has extra education in some counselling skills and eating disorders and their affect on both the physical and mental.

Has anyone tasted coconut water?? I looove it even though I don't like other coconut stuff! :joyful: I also like kefir. Seriously sour stuff that though.

The immune system is created and maintained through oils so having the right ones and having as little of the wrong ones as possible helps inflammation levels. You probably know this Britt but some oils are unstable under high heat so it is better to choose ones that are stable for those purposes.

 

[Sailorgal]

After having fresh coconuts, I can't do the coconut water. Actually, never could.

Hashi - I can't use coconut oil in everything (aubergines? nah) but asparagus, eggs....I love it! I do notice a difference in how my body processes the oil. I put it in my coffee. As a moisturizer, it is greasy but I love it! :)

Britt - coconut oil is solid at room temperature and doesn't break down like other oils. Even olive oil is toxic when used above medium heat. I won't put details here - you can google it and find nutritional as well as molecular information on it. There are loads of info out there. I use it in place of other oils to cook/fry with. I don't do deep fry. It will add some taste and some people do not care for it. It is very healthy and can help add calories in your diet if you are lacking. Trader Joe's sells a decent one for $5.99. Ha ha!

Kefir - good stuff. But then again, I love all foods. :)

 

[Britt.f7]

I should have just copied everyone's posts! lol Bare with me.

As I'm sure you know, there's a difference between allergies (lifelong) and intolerances (temporary),

An Allergist is a medical professional who checks to see if you have allergies to various things and helps you determine the treatment for such things.

As for me, I have one known Allergy and several intolerance's to things.

holistic doctor or even the term medicine. I'm in a different country with different practices, regulation and terminology.

I think they may be similar to what the US has, though the regulations may be different. I went to one a friend swore by. She worked in a pediatrician's office with me. It seemed like a clean and professional place. It turned out pretty bad for me. Doesn't mean I've written all them off, just means I am very very cautious.

much prefer them to mainstream/pharmaceutical/surgical approaches

Depends on what the surgical is for. For example, my icd replacement, there is nothing 'natural or holistic' that is going to replace that. But there are some things you can try before considering some surgeries.

I'm skeptical of all care. I tend to research things out and never trust blindly. Thankfully I have great mainstream physicians around me, who are open to alternative treatments as well as mainstream. They put the main control of my treatment with me. That's good.

Something worth noting is that more "natural" treatments aren't inherently harmless.

That is what I believe. I have a sister who was, for awhile, swearing that natural treatments were the only way to go and that they were all healthy for you. Having experienced the holistic journey, albeit with a bad one, I knew this to not be true. Plus there were things I looked into taking that were natural but discovered they were bad for some of my health issues, heart being one of them. She was even to the point where she wouldn't tell her medical professional that she was taking this natural supplement concoction for her MS because she was afraid the government would close it down. I was so mad at her, because I knew if they gave her something in say, an emergency, without knowing what she had in her system she could have an adverse reaction.

An ED RD has extra education in some counselling skills and eating disorders and their affect on both the physical and mental.

I've seen RD's over my lifetime due to my stomach issues. I think that was good suggestion about seeing one who knows how to deal with ED patients. Otherwise, anything they tell me about food will be nearly meaningless. Thanks for confirming the differences. I do think I'm going to look into making sure the one my Endocrinologist wants to send me to can handle the ED part of my nutrition.

Has anyone tasted coconut water??

Not yet, but thinking about it. I happen to like coconut.

You probably know this Britt but some oils are unstable under high heat so it is better to choose ones that are stable for those purposes

Interesting. Not sure I did know that. We did use grape seed oil for awhile.

I use it in place of other oils to cook/fry with.

A small bottle of oil tends to last at least a year here. If it doesn't it is because of my husband and children and what they are eating. I may have fried potatoes once a year. My mother was a heavy fryer and I think that deterred me from doing so, that and knowing that it wasn't healthy for you. If I can avoid oil, like when it says to put in boiling noodles, I do not use it.

Abstract, Hashi, and Sailorgal, this has all been informative on this thread. I've learned new things and relearned some old things. I'm always up for trying something new but, always, with caution. But I like the investigating of things and the conversing of different points of view. I hope you all know I'm not knocking any of your points. I respect all your opinions. It helps mold my own and for that, I am appreciative. I'm feeling very fortunate right now!:hug:

 

[Abstract]

Oh Britt! Different perspectives are the spice of life aren't they! How awful and dull it would be if we all thought exactly the same thing. And that way we try on different ideas before we decide what we personally believe. I can tell you are ready to take care of yourself and that is wonderful! :)

 

[Hashi]

I'm finding this discussion interesting and informative too - thank you all.

I think it's fine for us to have some differences in our views.

That would have to include coconut water too, I'm afraid! Did not like. :p :)

 

[Abstract]

I Did not like. :p :)

:roflmao::hilarious: I think I am the only person I know who does! I loooove the stuff. They get it from green coconuts apparently. :D