Does Anyone Have A High Iq

[Stickler]

IIRC, I tested just under genius, but I'm learning disabled in math(spatial dyscalculia).
My ex-spouse was the smart one in a very...laser like sense. She is amazingly smart.
I have ADD-inattentive symptoms. I'm messy, spacey, I think in spiderwebs.
I have somewhat less than entirely separate alters, found recently.
I am a VERY lateral thinker.
I joked my ex was a follower of the one right way.
...except it wasn't funny after a while...why? She bulldozed right over me.
She's smarter.
BUT...I am far more adaptable and creative than she will probably ever manage. Rather than recognize that my differing strengths were valuable, she treated me like a moron. Her arrogance blinded her to the weaknesses in her own thinking style, while she saw nothing BUT weakness, chaos, and frightening things in my thinking style.

Anyway....
Intellect has many different components. Base measurements are very crude tools. However, if your therapist isn't " clicking" with you, just move on. It's a very unique sort of working relationship, so if it's not working out?
Get a referral, or call around, move on.

 

[Knak]

Your therapist doesn't necessarily know what IQ means;...it is a number relating to capacity for learning,
...the older we get, the less plastic our brains generally become.
...it's very specific and tends to get generalized

I was surprised to see what the staff/premium member stated because I believe it is misleading. In the Psychological Testing class I took in graduate school, it was stressed that the definition of an IQ score is "the score you get on an IQ test". I aced that class and was told that only those who ace the class should consider professional testing as an occupation. (I am trying to qualify the validity of my comments.)

Individual IQ tests differ in the basis of what determines an IQ score according to the tests' originators beliefs. One theory considers an Intelligence Quotient to be highly based on analytical thinking, or the ability to conceive or perceive the connection among various facts to form a broader encompassing truth.

Regarding neuroplasticity - it is found to be greatest in infancy and again in early teens but continues, if pursued, indefinitely unless physically induced dementia interferes. It is a newer area of focus in the study of the brain. It is a very helpful and healing method for PTSD victims to form new neural paths more quickly. EMDR if done correctly is one technique.

Study of the brain is finally coming into its own.

Previously the greatest awareness of the need for healing has only been brought to light after major wars which resulted in massive emotional and mental trauma. But because it has been so difficult or impossible to find answers the studies would end after the horror lost attention.

I assume because of the building in knowledge and technical evaluation it is easier to objectively pin down processes and where they occur. Thank God those with emotional pain are finally being acknowledged and helped, and more is being discovered more quickly. There is still a lot of pain in healing but there are ways to make progress and give hope that didn't exist a few years ago.

 

[ihateusernames]

I'm just going to skip completely over trying to define IQ or EQ. I don't know. I'm not an expert and I haven't cared enough about either to form strong opinions. And I'm not sure what we're considering a high IQ to be so maybe my opinion doesn't even count. I've been tested and I can say that I tested well over the "gifted" level for placement throughout school, but I'm certainly no Einstein. Being more... erm, cerebral, than a large number of people can be isolating and I think there's a slight possibility, at least in my case, that the isolation may have made some traumatic events seem more hopeless to me as a child. If I'm remembering correctly I have read that a factor for some in developing ptsd is the degree of hopelessness they felt during the traumatic experience.

So maybe in some people it is an individual contributing factor, but I highly doubt that more intelligent people are more likely to develop it.

I think I am with you, OP, as far as therapists go. I'm not really concerned with the numbers, but if I don't feel like somebody is at least as smart as me I have a really hard time taking what they say seriously. I need to feel like we're speaking the same language, y'know? Or particularly that they will understand me (man that sounds so disgustingly elitist...) With this type of relationship, I feel like it's important that the therapist also be considerably more knowledgeable in the field than I am. I read a lot. It's a waste of everybody's time to tell me a bunch of stuff I already know. On the other hand, I acknowledge that I am stunted emotionally and there are probably far more important things a therapist brings to the table than knowledge of the literature. Maybe a less purely intelligent one is still equally capable.

I've only ever encountered 2 therapists. The woman I have been seeing this year and a marriage counselor we went to for a couple of years. They are both sufficiently intelligent. I don't have the actual experience of working with one I think is a dolt.

 

[ms spock]

IQ is also based on agreed social and cultural capital which is biased by race, gender and economic privilege. It is also not able to measure a whole range of different types of intelligences.

I was tested as a teenager and told I had the highest IQ that they had tested and I argued with them about what was implicit in the actual questions and how it was biased for and against certain communities and groups of people.

 

[shimmerz]

I argued with them about what was implicit in the actual questions and how it was biased for and against certain communities and groups of people

lol lol lol. I love this. I bet they were tongue tied.

 

[Deleted member 27340]

I'm going to write a lot of stuff that I hope will start a fun discussion I can get into because jumping into something that's been going on for ages idk whatever. This is a mix of a document I had on my computer, used for some school stuff, and things I've written now.

The scale of intelligence quotient (IQ) is merely a social and medical concept we have created to try and measure something we do not even fully understand. It is statistical, and therefore also analytical, but analysing something unknown and something that is in the human mind is hard. The intelligence of humans is way too connected to emotion, personality, mental health and other internal and external factors to be completely consistent and, when we make tests for it, correctly determined. Because of these factors that contribute to your day-to-day intellectual “performance”, two individuals may have extremely different test scores even if their genetics and past intellectual stimulation were to be identical.

On top of the factors that make a difference in the moment, there are much bigger roles playing in to how smart a person becomes. We are not yet sure of exactly what decides your intelligence, but as with most skills there is a nature side and a nurture side. The nature side is decided by genetics, so smarter parents will usually give smarter children. We're looking for the DNAs that play in on the nature factor. Nurture includes amount of intellectual stimulation, environment and destructive or traumatic events; basically anything that can affect your way of thinking and viewing the world.

We've seen in studies, and personal experiences mentioned in this thread as well, that people who have gone through one or more psychological traumas in their life score lower on IQ-tests than their peers. This is also just statistics, and discussing why it's like that would be really interesting. I believe it's because the constant fight/flight/freeze mode and dwelling in the past simply lowers your overall performance. Just like if someone has to do a test on a day where they are badly triggered. Getting the same results while being badly triggered is hard, and appearing with an IQ as high as your "full potential" is harder after being traumatised.


I would guess it would be harder for a therapist to work with someone who's scoring 30, 40 or 50+ points higher than them because of things like understanding and stuff, but it probably depends on both the therapist and the patient, and what the problem is. Many intelligent people need help simply because thinking too much has made them depressed.

@Ms Spock I was tested in August and spent lots of time during the test (I did the WISC-IV) discussing stuff with the psychologist who tested me. She was really nice and sweet, and I also mentioned how the tests are so inaccurate because they're not independent from culture. Tests like this one http://www.mensa.no/iq/hjemmetest/ are better because it's made solely out of visual figures, but the result is still not completely trustable because of the hundreds of other factors. The only way we could maybe, just maybe, be able to completely correctly determine IQ was if we figured out exactly what gene/chemicals that differ relative to intelligence, and found a way of measuring these components while the subject is unaffected my stressors and environment. For instance doing the testing while they are unconscious and stimulated by sounds and electronic impulses, or something like that. Still, identical twins can score differently because stimulation is so important.

 

[ms spock]

Tests like this one http://www.mensa.no/iq/hjemmetest/ are better because it's made solely out of visual figures, but the result is still not completely trustable because of the hundreds of other factors.

I see where you are going Trauma, but even what is a "visual figure" is culturally based as well.

The nature side is decided by genetics, so smarter parents will usually give smarter children.

Actually an expectation of a higher IQ test or an expectation of a child having an high IQ test will actually determine an higher IQ. Teachers will unconsciously give more time and attention to children that are defined as "gifted" in their classes.

 

[ms spock]

lol lol lol. I love this. I bet they were tongue tied.

I was her highest testing subject, and I didn't accept that her testing was in any way valid. I was 15 and I could clearly see how those tests were biased towards White, Middle Class Men and I could clearly articulate that. She wasn't too happy about it.

 

[Changing4Best]

Mine is 136, and I have been told that is a high IQ, but I don't know much about IQs, so I could not say. I do suppose I think things through quite a lot, but I don't always come up with answers that help me out of the pickles I get into in my life. I have a learning disability, dyslexia, which caused me to not be able to learn to read until my 2nd time through the 3rd grade in grammar school. That set me back considerably in my studies. Even so, I made it into the advanced reading group while I was in the 6th grade, so it cannot have set me back that far.

I doubt that a high IQ is a prerequisite for PTSD though. I would guess that the 2 things are unrelated.

 

[Deleted member 28403]

@SheilaKathy

Yes, I agree with you. My IQ is 146 (as last measured, probably will measure again before high school). Prerequisite for PTSD??? I doubt so, what I can say is that people with a high IQ often don't fit in well, leaving them with less developed social skills, and less ability for solving that kind of problems. That would make people like that more vulnerable. Though, who am I to speak, I don't have enough contact with the outside world and I'm a big messup...

 

[somerandomguy]

Has anyone else read "The Mismeasure of Man" by Stephen Jay Gould? Highly recommended.

Basically, the only thing IQ tests are good for measuring are how good you are at taking IQ tests.

 

[Friday]

This says everything far better than I ever could.

http://www.stephanietolan.com/is_it_a_cheetah.htm

<grin> For the record, I'm not that smart. I compensate by surrounding myself with those who are.