Does Anyone Have A High Iq

[Deleted member 27340]

but even what is a "visual figure" is culturally based as well.

It is, but it's less culturally based. In western countries, I'd guess those figures would work well because we, as children, generally have toys with figures to place and build and stuff like that. But I really don't think any IQ tests are actually completely accurate and independent from culture.

Actually an expectation of a higher IQ test or an expectation of a child having an high IQ test will actually determine an higher IQ. Teachers will unconsciously give more time and attention to children that are defined as "gifted" in their classes.

That's stimulation, so you're referring to nurture. But I see your point, it's probably very true, except in the cases where smarter students are consciously dumbed down to stay at the level of peers (they did that to me. It happens).

 

[ms spock]

It is, but it's less culturally based.

Ah no it is not. I have to disagree with you on this. You can study this at university. Visual imagery is very much culturally based. I can show images to people from another culture and people from different cultures don't get it. When I did that in a tutorial I was teaching once people where blown away that what they thought was normal and natural as a way of seeing images was completely foreign to overseas students, and other students in their Western culture that had a different background than they had/have.

In western countries, I'd guess those figures would work well because we, as children, generally have toys with figures to place and build and stuff like that.

What access that children have to different types of toys will depend on your culture, wither you are Indigenous, White, Black, Indian, Wealthy, Poor, have employed or unemployed family members, gender, sexuality, age, time of your childhood, ability, disability etc etc.

But I really don't think any IQ tests are actually completely accurate and independent from culture..

There is so much to unpack from that. I agree with you. There have been quite a lot of studies done now showing that even school assessment is culturally based

 

[Deleted member 27340]

When I did that in a tutorial I was teaching once people where blown away that what they thought was normal and natural as a way of seeing images was completely foreign to overseas students, and other students in their Western culture that had a different background than they had/have.

It kinda makes sense now. Like it's an input, all inputs vary.

What access that children have to different types of toys will depend on your culture, wither you are Indigenous, White, Black, Indian, Wealthy, Poor, have employed or unemployed family members, gender, sexuality, age, time of your childhood, ability, disability etc etc.

Yeah that's what I was thinking of

There have been quite a lot of studies done now showing that even school assessment is culturally based

Is there, do you think, even any way at all (except completely medical testing like brain scans while unconscious) of making something NOT culturally based? I know there was a project where they asked 30,000 men over the whole world to say what was the "perfect woman", and using algorythms and editing they managed to create one picture that every single one of them liked (international, intercultural, interracial...). Maybe something similar could be done with testing.

 

[ms spock]

Is there, do you think, even any way at all (except completely medical testing like brain scans while unconscious) of making something NOT culturally based?

I personally don't think so.

 

[Deleted member 27340]

I personally don't think so.

Someone should try. Just to do something that's probably impossible. I guess.

 

[reallydown]

I don't know how it is in Australia but here, and from what I know of the US, many gifted kids don't actually get more attention form teachers but are left to their own devices simply because everyone thinks they're fine and will figure it all out themselves. And, as Trauma says, sometimes those kids are forced to dumb down

 

[Aristides]

I used to spend time arguing the relative merits of different measures of intelligence. The takeaway: I learned I would profit more from some other endeavor.

But the relation of intelligence to both pathologies and therapists is interesting. Trauma is only part of why I am doing therapy, as I suspect some mild form of autism may also be at play. But to get me to open up, I need someone up to speed, especially as I usually enter the session with some comment on, whatever, say cognitivism vs behaviorism, or the top news of the day, and expect a response that will keep me in the conversation. (My sessions are via Skype, if anyone is curious about how that works out.)

At any rate, I am taking a long time to say there is an insidious downside to intelligence. That is, one can often be fooled that one's 'considered position' on an issue, and inner gentlemanly agreement to act in such a such a way, is the same as one's emotional reaction. Especially if behavior is usually under control, and no outer difference is exhibited. But it comes back to bite you in the... er, there.

Keep that up for a number of years, and when you finally look, there's all this unprocessed emotion to deal with. That is the smart way to stupid.

Even professors have an inner lizard. Hiss!

 

[catjudo]

Teachers will unconsciously give more time and attention to children that are defined as "gifted" in their classes.

I don't know how it is in Australia but here, and from what I know of the US, many gifted kids don't actually get more attention form teachers but are left to their own devices simply because everyone thinks they're fine and will figure it all out themselves.

I agree with @reallydown. I'm sure it must vary depending on what part of the world a person lives in but in the United States, gifted students do not typically get more attention from their teachers. Most classrooms in the public school setting mix students of varying abilities...so one class does not have only high or only low achieving students. Teachers typically find that most of their time and attention is spent on the students who are struggling. Gifted students who are doing well on their class work get less attention because it is assumed that they're doing ok. There is also a high emphasis on standardized tests and at lot at stake for both students and teachers depending on test scores. Time is spent on the struggling students not gifted students. There are frequent cases of gifted students who understand the material being covered but must sit through the lessons and do the assignments, all the while not really learning new things at school because the emphasis is on helping the slower students.

It's the number one reason I removed my daughter from public school and enrolled her in a private school. When my then 7-year-old who had always loved to learn routinely came home crying, hating school and complaining that her brain was rotting because she didn't get to use it at school and despite every effort to work with teachers and administrators the problem could not be resolved, I think it's safe to say it's not the gifted kids who are getting the extra attention in our public schools.

 

[ms spock]

@Trauma that is a great response!

@reallydown @catjudo we have just started down the path of standardised testing and it does look fraught with difficulties. I can't imagine how hard that would be.

 

[ms spock]

I used to spend time arguing the relative merits of different measures of intelligence. The takeaway: I learned I would profit more from some other endeavor.

Fair point.

 

[Dawn Ray]

FridayJones - welcome, earthling, thought you'd never come.

I am not think as smart as I nearly am.

I am a member of Mensa, (when I can pay my dues), and am far too proud of it.

 

[Truthful_Whispers]

I was tested when much younger. My IQ was 139 or 140, can't remember exactly. Although it seems, particularly as I am getting older, that I can sometimes do some pretty bone-headed things. lol