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After Fifty Years, She Says It...

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Hope4Now

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I am still reeling. Any of you who have followed my fragmented story know that I am in the midst of recovering repressed memories of abuse, and having actual memories of other aspects of abuse morph into new and profound experiences that make me freak out regularly. All childhood related awfulness. Tonight, when I took my mother out for our weekly dinner, she said something that felt like she ripped out my insides. She has absolutely NO concept of her effect on me, even if I try to tell her. She said, rather offhandedly, as she was talking about her life's regrets between the appetizer and the main course, "I have always chosen your father over you, and at least that's one thing I'll never regret."

I've always known on some subconscious level that this is true. It all makes sense intellectually. Maybe it is progress that tonight, despite my best usual efforts to armour myself against her constant re-traumatization, I felt...EMOTIONALLY...the deep wound of her remark. I actually sobbed in the car all the way home after dropping her off. This, from a highly over-intellectualized, depersonalized/derealized, and very emotionally numb person.

I have absolutely NO idea what to do with this experience.
 
Narcissistic wench? I don't know. She sounds like she has no capacity for empathy. I have largely cut my mother out of my life because she does not have any empathy whatsoever and has no concept of another's pain. She never put us kids first! It is very much a mourning process. I am not ready to sever ties completely, but I do know that I cannot see her for at least the rest of the year at a minimum. After that, who knows. (Sorry, I don't know your story....I am guessing it is in your diary? I can't read those, unfortunately.)
 
Maybe it is progress that tonight, despite my best usual efforts to armour myself against her constant re-traumatization, I felt...EMOTIONALLY...the deep wound of her remark. I actually sobbed in the car all the way home after dropping her off.
I think you are letting yourself grieve in the here and now for the mother you had then, and now. It sounds like a very healthy response. And what matters is what you do with it next.

She's told you that she doesn't care to invest in a relationship with you. How will this change how you behave and think?
 
She said, rather offhandedly, as she was talking about her life's regrets between the appetizer and the main course, "I have always chosen your father over you, and at least that's one thing I'll never regret."
I really feel for you. Wow that is so out there. I mean to say that to your child, to say that to your own child. That is just so full on.

I am not the best at self care but seriously I think lots of self care for you at this time.
 
I'm sorry, I know how it feels, I really do. I am not sure what to "do" with it either, other than it is a glimpse into what you are dealing with....let me explain, I used to and still do to some degree feel guilty for walking or running from my "parents".

they never acknowledged a thing, nothing of our experience. I spoke to her once, only once she tolerated a hint of the obvious, she confirmed some memories of mine were real and somehow in the exchange pointed out we were "disposable" my father was necessary and bad but had something happened to us...she could have always had 'more'.

Children. Us. I was appalled...and then she said she would never apologize to me/us for what we went through (or discuss it any further) because at the time "she had her own problems to deal with"

So I suffered abuse from who knows how early because she had her own problems at the time.

So! I'll tell you what, it took time but it was oddly freeing after time passed, she was brutally honest and my lack of a sense of love for her and many other things, I wasn't broken, I was raised in a broken environment, my lack of feelings towards them had to do iwth my environment so to speak.

I know real love, and affection and caring for other people. I'm happy to really know that I'm capable.

I'm sorry for your pain, your realization....take care, Whirlwind
 
Oh my God. This shows who your mother is in a split second snapshot. She is unbelievable and...nuts? Who says that? No concept or feeling for your experience. How cruel I find her.

I am sorry this happened but so glad you could cry and cry. I pray you can find some comfort. Your instincts were correct, although I understand - you didn't want to be right.
 
Will it help you with the 'guilt' and 'obligation' you feel towards her? Can you now choose where to place her in your life, instead of going along with where she continually chooses to be in yours? And could you let her know this? I think it is time for your mother to fully understand that you choose your children over her - that you will no longer allow her to harass them while you allow her because you don't want to hurt her feelings, or come up with a 'crisis' that lets her move to the front of the queue.

I hope this does not sound harsh: I'm glad she finally said it. You've known it all along, anyway. This validates a lot of things for you, and could really be the one thing you need to free yourself.
 
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I mean to say that to your child, to say that to your own child. That is just so full on.
As a child grown into an adult we many times simply cannot put into words what we have felt all of our lives. It is when the words come - for me, that the floodgates seem to open and I am overwhelmed. So many pieces fall together but it takes a bit to process. She didn't do you a favour in what she did but I think she may have done you a favour in giving you the words for what she did so that you can decide and perhaps act upon (as @Pencil noted) just how important she should be in your life in this moment in time.
 
Thank you all for your words. I am glad I reached out and found you there. It helps.
Narcissistic wench? I don't know. She sounds like she has no capacity for empathy.
Yes. I learned about narcissism this year and am still vaguely mapping my experience with two narcissistic parents into this frame of understanding. Her comment, though, was so blunt (unlike most of the other things she says and does) that it really threw me.

it was oddly freeing after time passed,
I hope this is true for me too. I hope that maybe this one little comment stands as a sort of twisted validation of my experience, which I've needed to convince myself that I'm not the crazy lady being overly dramatic and making things up.

she said that I was the sacrifice that she had to make.
Well there's a heart wound. What is wrong with these people? It is so foreign to me that a parent could behave this way and say these things.

This shows who your mother is in a split second snapshot. She is unbelievable and...nuts? Who says that? No concept or feeling for your experience. How cruel I find her.
Yes. Narcissistic. Her cruelty comes out of her own pain and disappointment with her life...I know that. I can muster up compassion fairly regularly when I can put my own hurt aside, but the more I remember and the more I try to heal by connecting with my emotions, the harder it becomes.

Can you now choose where to place her in your life, instead of going along with where she continually chooses to be in yours?
Yeah, I hope this will help me do that even more confidently and without guilt. I've been working on the boundaries, but she quite energetically violates them in every way she can find to do so.

but by any chance is your mother religious?
Yes, that's a whole other layer of my experience that is very screwed up. The church may have played a role in her staying in an abusive relationship (though it was mutually abusive). The church also played a role in messing me up in lots of ways. One example: in one of my unsuccessful efforts to find help as a kid (I think I was about 13), I talked to the priest about what I should do. He told me I had to pray for them and follow the commandments and "Honor thy father and thy mother." That I could take strength from knowing how Jesus suffered on the cross.

She didn't do you a favour in what she did but I think she may have done you a favour in giving you the words for what she did
I think you're right. Maybe it hurt so deeply because it kind of "proved" what I have continued to doubt all along despite all the evidence.

So...on with life. I'm so tired of the past's invasion of my present. Months ago I asked my therapist to wave his magic wand and make this all go away (he gave me one of those kind looks, but didn't whip out the magic). I suppose the magic has to come from me. Ironically, it has to start with an end to magical thinking...something I've always been quite good at. So, I got adopted by two very ill people who sexually and emotionally used and abused me until I finally escaped at age 19. I tried to get help but failed every time because I couldn't really explain what was happening. I ran away a bunch of times but was too scared and lacking in resources to stay away. I played right into all of it, all my life, continually thinking that "If I only do this....whatever...everything will get better." Now I know it wasn't ever going to get better...and isn't now with my mother. That all the toxic self-criticism that rules me is a big bellowing waste of time. So, perhaps this means I'm ready to start into the next phase of my therapy and working to process this exquisitely painful past I've carried for so long.

Thank you all. I am so very grateful for your comments.
 
How awful! Have you looked at NOT taking her out weekly? What's the worst thing that would happen if you simply stopped having her in your life, or at the very least, distanced yourself from her? You don't deserve to be treated this way - but I think the bigger question is why you feel obliged to continue to have weekly contact with her?pp(I'm not blaming you here - I knw family dynamics are often complicated but I do wonder if you just didn't take her out, what is the 'worst' thing to come of that? That she would get angry? Mad? Criticise you? Well at the moment it seems that would mean just more if the same - and it is perfectly ok to put boundaries in place - you don't deserve her treatment and you do have a choice to say 'no - I won't put up with this'.

You don't owe her anything. Even if she had a head injury or similar and really couldn't help what she says - you still do not have to put up with it.

Honestly - you deserve better and it is perfectly ok to put YOURSELF first. It sounds like she does NOTHING for your healing, period.
 
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