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An Airborne Spy During Vietnam War?

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RC135Linguist

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The government told us we weren't spies, but then they trained us to lie about what we were doing in the event that our aircraft was shot down and we were taken as prisoners.We were supposed to tell our enemies that we were in their air space to observe their weather conditions. HA!

Upon enlisting in the Air Force in 1971 I was sent to the Defense Language Institute in Monterey, CA where I learned Chinese Mandarin. After several other training programs (including additional Chinese language instruction, radio telecommunications/audio recording school, and POW, water landing, and jungle survival schools) I was shipped off to Okinawa, Japan. From the base there I flew as a crew member aboard RC-135 reconnaissance missions along with other Chinese, Vietnamese and/or Korean linguists to locations in and around North Vietnam, China, and Korea. Once we arrived at our destination we flew in a continuous oval orbit, listening to, recording, and translating various radio transmissions broadcast from our target country languages into English. We flew those oval patterns for 12 full hours and received mid-air refuelings from KC-135 tankers as needed.

We were certainly not invited to those locations, and so we were not welcomed guests. As such, we were sometimes chased away by fighter aircraft or otherwise encouraged to leave the area. At other times,extremely turbulent weather or mechanical failures (such as the breakdown of one or more of our four engines, engine fires, leaking oxygen from the cabin, loss of hydraulics, etc) forced us to make the dangerous 2, 3, or 4 hour flight back to our home base in Okinawa.

After suffering in silence for nearly 40 years, I was finally diagnosed by the VA with PTSD caused as a result of several close calls while flying on those missions. Now, so much of what has happened to me over the years finally makes sense including: drinking and smoking to excess, having a great deal of difficulty sleeping, anxiety attacks, depression, having been fired from multiple jobs, etc. It really kind of pisses me off that no one from the VA ever reached out to me during all that time since my discharge. The only reason I made my way into the VA system at all was because my private health insurance became way too expensive to afford. I applied for and was accepted for VA health care due to my low income back in 2004 - and it was a couple of years after that when I learned that they had diagnosed me with PTSD. In fact, I discovered it all by accident when I requested a copy of my records and read the diagnosis for myself. They didn't even have the balls to tell me that they had diagnosed me with PTSD; I had to pry into my medical records to inadvertently come across it!

Now for the real kicker: the reconnaissance missions we participated in and the intelligence we gathered were highly classified - I was investigated beforehand and given the highest security clearance available. Many of our missions were conducted smack-dab inside the Vietnam combat zone for which we received monthly combat/hazardous duty pay. Perhaps due to the highly classified nature of our work or for some other reason, no mention was ever made on my DD214 of where I performed my duties or exactly what I did. That means that there's no mention of my having worked in the combat zone anywhere on my DD214.

I've since learned that there are PTSD treatment programs and other benefits within the VA system available only to "combat" veterans. Since my DD214 does not accurately reflect my service as a "combat" veteran I have written to the appropriate offices in the VA to have it corrected. They've written back to me and told me that since no records were ever kept of the specific flights I flew on then they cannot amend my records. I've even shown them the orders awarding me my permanent wings for having flown the initial 10 combat missions (their words, not mine) as well as my pay records that reflect my combat pay for each of the nearly 30 months that I flew those missions. Still, they refuse to correct my DD214. Am I wrong to consider myself a "combat" veteran? Maybe I am...

Lastly, I was able to apply for and am receiving service-connected disability payments for my PTSD. My award letter states that I was able to satisfactorily prove my combat participation to them for the purpose of granting me the award. The VA, however, still refuses to amend my DD214 which continues to prevent me from getting free treatment for PTSD at Veteran Service Centers. They say it's because they are only authorized to treat "combat" veterans who have their combat duty clearly reflected on their DD214s.

I'm sorry for posting such a long introduction on this forum. It helps me at times just to be able to vent my frustrations!
 
Hey Recon

I'm a 'Nam vet, there are a bunch or us here. I'm glad you got some of the stuff you needed to get squared away with your DD214 done. Don't give up that fight, I'd contact a service org like the DAV or your congressman to help. This is a great place for vets with PTSD. There's a wealth of info and support here as well. Welcome.

JarHed
 
Welcome

I kind of know what you are talking about. From 1997-2003 I provided secure ground comm support/data links to the RC series (Rivet Joint/Cobra Ball) while they were forward deployed. Obviously those deployments are completely classified. However, my PTSD issues aren't tied to them so they can stay in the black world. I wish you the best of luck trying to get it officially recorded. It kills me you can get service related disability yet they don't recognize your deployments...WTF!?!? That is crazy!

One idea: typically combat designations are tied to where you deployed, which you have proof of, and operation supported. Like I deployed to Iraq twice, which was a designated combat zone, and supported OIF. Can you tie your service to an operation? Maybe that would help. I think it is crap you can prove you were in a combat zone with combat payments yet they won't give you free treatment!
 
I think it is crap you can prove you were in a combat zone with combat payments yet they won't give you free treatment!

I was thinking along that line also, a while ago and thought this. You got paid combat duty pay. You can only get that if you're deployed in a combat zone. I would say and I hope as well that there is enough proof of your service in VietNam to justify a change of your current DD214. Although it's been 40 years I don't know if they'd release any documents to substansiate your service. You may have to go about it in an indirect sort of way to get the job done. Let us know how it goes.

I'm going to talk to some people I know at the VA, doctors, that might be able to at least give me some info to help point you in the right direction. Hang in there Bro.

Jar
 
JarHed makes a good point. I held a TS/SCI clearance for about all of my 24 years so I am very familiar with classification guidelines. Your missions should be public record by now...at least the fact they took place. Details are probably still classified. You should be able to submit a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request for the basic details. Also, at least currently, while the meat of the deployments were obviously classified, the location and length of them is typically not classified AFTER the event takes place. Hope this helps.
 
Welcome

I kind of know what you are talking about. From 1997-2003 I provided secure ground comm support/data links to the RC series (Rivet Joint/Cobra Ball) while they were forward deployed. Obviously those deployments are completely classified. However, my PTSD issues aren't tied to them so they can stay in the black world. I wish you the best of luck trying to get it officially recorded. It kills me you can get service related disability yet they don't recognize your deployments...WTF!?!? That is crazy!

One idea: typically combat designations are tied to where you deployed, which you have proof of, and operation supported. Like I deployed to Iraq twice, which was a designated combat zone, and supported OIF. Can you tie your service to an operation? Maybe that would help. I think it is crap you can prove you were in a combat zone with combat payments yet they won't give you free treatment!

Thanks for the advice. I was assigned to the 6990th Security Group and based in Okinawa, Japan. That was not a designated combat zone during the Vietnam war. During my term of service there, in addition to the routine combat missions we flew, I also participated in Operation Frequent Wind which provided aerial support for the final evacuation of Saigon throughout the month of April of 1975. I learned only last year that I was awarded an Air Force Commendation medal for that and was able to obtain a copy of the orders with my name and social security number on it. I submitted that and received the actual medal from them (finally, after almost 40 years!) The problem was that I was discharged from active duty in August of 1975 and the orders for the medal weren't cut until about 2 weeks after my discharge. Of course, nobody ever contacted me about it. Also, the orders for that medal don't specify the operation for which it was awarded. It simply states the dates of service that qualified me (and others) for the award. And BTW, I had received 3 or 4 other Air Medals during that time period for hazardous duty. They awarded them to each of us after each set of 20 missions. None of the commendations that accompany these medals mention what the missions were for or where they took place either.

As far as any other operations I was assigned to they were all classified and I've been told that "no records of specific flights were kept." I know that's a lie, but what can I do to change what they tell me?

Regarding my pay records, they don't specifically state "combat pay" on them. Every entry on my records is given an accounting code instead of a name. I can clearly pick out my combat pay though: it was $60.00 per month back then. That's what our lives were worth in those days. LOL
 
Welcome to our slightly dysfunctional family Recon. Glad to see you made it across from the civvie site.

The guys on here should be able to assist you a whole bunch more. Mainly because so many have been, or are on the US VA road.

Hang tough Brother.
 
Hey Recon

It makes me mad when I hear about stuff like this. You join the service, do your job and then they throw you away like a piece of crap. It's wrong in every way that I can think of. Seems like they've covered their tracks pretty well. But it doesn't mean that you should give it up either. Of course it's your choice and you've got to do what feels right for you. Just wish I could be of more help. I will be seeing some people from the VA in a week or so and I'm going to run it by them to see if they have any options that would help. You never know.

Jar
 
Recon
Just a quick note: "no records of specific flights were kept." yeah, that is a load of crap! The AF documents all flight activities as do all services. Unless you flying for the CIA, that is bullshit! They have records of every flight, they have to because it is the law. Bunch a jerks!
 
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