Sexual Assault Anyone Have Problems Related To Religion And Rape Culture?

[Gs172003]

NOTE: I DO NOT MEAN OFFENSE TOWARDS ANYONE'S RELIGION, IF YOU ARE CHRISTIAN OR ANOTHER RELIGION &...

I am very confused.

 

[Gs172003]

I very much agree with certain things you've said in your post. I will put it out there for the s...

As somebody that goes to an "abrahamic" type church, the purity jewlery doesn't apply to people that were forced. They are STILL considered pure.

 

[Gs172003]

interesting. yeah you know-everyone can have different beliefs. honestly, my belief is that religi...

I will have to absolutely disagree with you about the church being prorape culture. I would like to know why you think that though.

 

[Friday]

I have seen how purity culture translates to rape culture.

This.

Slut shaming and victim blaming have the same roots..

& This.

From what I know of rape culture, this comes from the idea that some women are "unrapeable".

Very much agreed.

or me caring about being "a slut" enough to want to lie about being raped.

This one drives me insane. Bad sex is not rape. Regrettable sex is not rape. Feeling guilty afterwards is not rape. Changing your mind later is not rape. If. It. Was. Consensual. It. Was. Not. Rape. :banghead: Rape & Sexual assault can get murky as hell, but the sheer number of people who cheerfully have sex and then regret it later and want to claim rape to assuage their guilt? Drive. Me. Insane.

...my recent therapist, who was a very conservative Mormon. He destroyed me mental health entirely & blamed me & traumatized me in ways no one else ever had.

Which goes completely against the teachings of the LDS church, apostles, & prophet. But self righteous idiots who want to make up their own rules & swaddle their own pedantry & prejudice in authority they do not possess... Perverting the teachings of their so called faith... Twisting kindness into hate to suit their own narrow minded embittered poisonous views of the world ... Bah. Extremists. One trick ponies. The lot of them. Whether Islamic extremists, Christian extremists, environmental extremists, political extremists, to hell with them.

 

[Ronin]

Where is my standing ovation emoticon. For both @Girlgirlgirl & @Friday. Well said.

 

[EveHarrington]

As somebody that goes to an "abrahamic" type church, the purity jewlery doesn't apply to people tha...

I understand this and my guess is that many churches are this way. However, that doesn't stop the individual from feeling unpure------I know I would have as I always felt unclean/dirty. It wouldn't have mattered that I was the exception. It's what would have been in my mind that counted.

 

[Ronin]

As somebody that goes to an "abrahamic" type church

The problem with this is, for people that were abused by religious people or with the use of religion, those purely academic debates Do Not Goddamn Apply.

It's a mix of issues. It's cool to cool down too heated talks at times, reminding folks religion ain't at fault, specific elements within it are, and specific people within it are.... but to plain out dismiss or question the lived realities of people is f'd up.

It doesn't matter, at some times, what people say. Only what they do.

I'm the first person to jump in defense of faiths and their goodness.
But not in the face of danger. In my book that's siding with that danger.

So in the context of this discussion, what official teachings is on purity does not matter.
Only that rapists and pedophiles and terrorists will use those teachings to rape & kill & hurt people does.

 

[Suzetig]

... or that having been raped and hurt, some people will use those teachings to explain why it was all your fault.

 

[Ronin]

They are STILL considered pure.

In theory, perhaps.

In practice, individually and in communities? Wild misogyny & victim blaming & silencing & gaslighting spread so freely. It's nice to hear 'not everywhere', but pulling 'not everywhere' is an equivalent of pulling 'not all men' rhetorics into rape discussions.

 

[Gs172003]

I understand this and my guess is that many churches are this way. However, that doesn't stop the...

That's understood. But the way the post read to me was that the person that felt that way felt that way because of the church not because of the assault and that is how I took it.

 

[Gs172003]

You all assume that kind of stuff happens everywhere. It doesn't. I'm sorry for those it has happened to however.

 

[EveHarrington]

How do you know the purity ring "pressure" doesn't happen everywhere? (Not 100% "everywhere" rather in an across the board, prevalent in the movement sort of thing). I don't think this assumption can be made.

IMHO in circles where purity rings etc are pushed, victims will be less likely to come forward and speak out-----especially in cases of self doubt.

Self doubt-------

"I went to his house, it's my fault I was raped and that I'm no longer pure"

"I had a drink, it's my fault I was raped and that I'm no longer pure"

"I didn't say no, it's my fault that I was raped and I'm no longer pure"

"I didn't fight back, it's my fault that I was raped and I'm no longer pure"

And so on.


But let's say she/he does indeed disclose but it's everyone else who denies that it's rape------


"You went to his house, it's your fault You were raped and that you're no longer pure"

"You had a drink, it's your fault you were raped and that youre no longer pure"

"You didn't say no, it's your fault that you were raped and youre no longer pure"

"You didn't fight back, it's your fault that you were raped and youre no longer pure"


See how things get complicated FAST?

In essence it's a movement I truly as a CSA survivor cannot stand behind.

Even if churches say you're still pure, I'm sure many will still give rape/abuse survivors the stank-eye of disgust and doubt.