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News Anyone Involved In The Occupy Wallstreet? Or Another City?

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The protest was shut done 5.30am this morning in Sydney. The police used unprecented violence hitting people in the face and beating them up in custody.

One of my friends said she had never been that scared in her life. As her father tried to kill her a few times I'd say it was serious violence.

Wow people are out there dying for democracy but people can state their dissent.

Scary stuff,
ms spock
 
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Wouldn't it be just like me to go out on a limb and start one in my city- oh wait- I don't need another reason for my countrymen to assume that standing against poverty, hunger, and homelessness means that I am anti-American and a good target for attacks. I know why some participants are wearing masks.

Yes people can die for democracy but they can't practice it.

Sydney today was shocking. Really shocking violence and abuse.

The core issue agreeably by most being that as long as we allow big business to influence government we have no control over our society or our future.

It is too late for that now, there are only a couple of countries that have the GNP that matches the turnovers of companies and corporations.

I thought the protests came right at the time banks were lobbying for immunity. I was reading that not only did banks receive the gazillion bail out dollars from the treasury of the citizens of the United States (a closed door deal that was NEVER voted on in Congress), but they are pushing for immunity from prosecution as well.

I will never listen to any one that runs any one down who is on welfare. I will suggest that they set themselves up as a bank - because the bail out is much more lucrative!

They shouldn't be allowed to have immunity from prosecution! It is outrageous!
 
A friend mine who is currently going through a mortgage foreclosure started posting images of people holding up signs explaining their situations and stating why they are part of the 99% on her FB - I think she was identifying w/it & wanted to put it out there for feed back.

Brave Woman!

I saw a lot of really ignorant right wing feed back blaming the people who lost their jobs & lost their homes for getting themselves into the situation.

Yet it is okay for the banks to be bailed out? The banks really did get themselves in to that situation! How is it individuals aren't to blame for what happens in their lives and yet the banks weren't responsible enough to have to face the music, fix up their own problems and it was okay for them to be bailed out?

What is happening in people's head that they can have such a disconnect?

I just feel so strong about this issue & I'm so sick of that ignorant, brainwashed mentality that I started putting in my two cents about the real issues. It was great discussion & I think I really opened some peoples eyes -- but confrontation is one of my triggers & as I was typing some of my replys my hands were literally shaking. For the past year I have had very little PTSD symptoms & they generally don't last more than a day when the do happen -- I've been anxious & a little OCD about the whole Occupy movement (just watching & trying to get involved a little locally) for the past week. I'm finally calming down & feeling OK again - but continuing to do what I can to stay involved. I think this movement is offering me a positive opportunity for healing my own issues. Standing up for what you believe in is empowering & it feels a lot safer to do this when you have a crap load of people on your side :)

Very brave - I find people's denial bewildering. I find the ironic comparison bizarre - individuals have a hard time and lose all their money = own fault. Banks are corrupt and lose all their money = Trillion dollar bail out?

All homeless and poor people should set themselves up as banks.

Where has the compassion for people's poverty or deprivation gone? How is it that we have become so inhuman to other humans?

I don't get it. But I will take on any one about the poor shamed and harrassed for being poor, (which I am one due to standing up to sexual abuse in my own family), in contrast to the banks being bailled trillions of dollars for their corrupt, greedy, illegal and unconscionable actions.

I can't get it.

ms spock
 
The police used unprecented violence hitting people in the face and beating them up in custody.
And the protesters were just innocent I gather? Two sides to every story, and Police don't just go beating people up here... they do use appropriate force though against those that don't listen to them and follow their directions, as per Australian law dictates.

This is not America... you cannot shut the door on Police or ignore them, as per our laws... so those who ignore their directions will endure heavy consequences and deserve such consequences.

Police and Government didn't have an issue with the protests, they had an issue with the people sleeping anywhere and everywhere in the city, which was causing significant issues for business and traffic. Businesses were losing business and having to sack people because people stopped visiting due to the protests.

That takes a productive issue and turns it into a counter productive one. Government isn't open after hours, so protest during the day, go home, then come back and do it again the following day... but making others lose their jobs because you interfere with local business as part of your protest for a prolonged period... that's not good protesting.
 
Yes in this particular case Anthony the protestors were innocent. My friends were there, they weren't given time to wake up, to get up and move away. They had the crap beaten out of them. It is really easy to be sucked in by the media spin and the police press release.
 
It happened at 5.30am in the morning. Yes people were sleeping in their sleeping bags. I am sure that is not quite a crime against the state

I don't know if you have been involved in those situations. I have always run non violent civil disobedience activities for going on 20 odd years now.

When you give talks at protests in four states in three days you see an ongoing pattern. The police officer who arrested people the day before, arrives at your next speaking gig under cover, and is the one to throw the first punch. Quite a number of times I have got the rest of the crowd to move away from that undercover police officer.

I have been beaten up for sitting on some steps that I had a permit to be there and the police just came in, with no warning Anthony and beat the living crap out of me.

Go to some events, hang with the organisers - we ran workshops for a week about our legal responsibilities and our legal rights.

ms spock
 
Police don't just go beating people up here... they do use appropriate force though against those that don't listen to them and follow their directions, as per Australian law dictates.

You have lived a very, very sheltered live if you actually believe that.

Look at the Royal Commission into Black Deaths in Custody - you ever spent time with indigenous communities and see the police use "appropriate force" with them?

ms spock
 
.. but making others lose their jobs because you interfere with local business as part of your protest for a prolonged period... that's not good protesting.

Anthony, give me a name and a phone number and I will ring them up and verify this accusation. Send it personal message if you don't want to place it in this thread. I have seen no media coverage on the loss of jobs! What absolute rubbish! What is the name of one business that sacked one person because of the protest?

ms spock
 
Actually, I have been within indigenous communities in the NT when police have had to take action, and let me just say, once again... the Police were attacked first, then they took action. Yes, they do approach them after experience with far less tolerance, because experience has dictated to them they quickly turn violent and attack. Seen it all myself thanks, first hand.

Don't start me on aboriginal rights... because I have seen it all for myself, within the communities. They get whatever they want for free... then destroy it, then go ask for it again and/or at the same time cry that their living standards are so poor... after which they just ripped up all the floor boards in front of me to burn for wood, instead of going and cutting down some tree's a few hundred meters away to burn instead.

After they got a brand new car given to their community, then rolled it, got it running again, rolled it again, got it running again, drove it into other cars, buildings, rolled it further times... until it didn't run any longer, then demanded another because they were hard done by.

Wrong person to be preaching to about such rights when I have been within those communities myself and witnessed it all myself when with the Army. Walking through the streets in Darwin, next minute to be jumped by a group of them, then they tell the police they got bashed for no reason. The police fortunately weren't that stupid and told us this was a regular occurrence when called.

People are not all innocent as they claim when the same things repeat over and over. If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck and looks like a duck, chances are... its a duck.

Middle of NT on operations, aboriginal women trying to sell themselves to us, not for money, but for alcohol. Their morals are so high they also have their teenage kids with them... selling them for alcohol.

Please be careful who you preach to about ethical moments... I have seen some really good things within aboriginal cultures in Australia; I have also seen far more worse things within them. The bad typically outweighs the good, witnessed first hand by spending time in and around such place, let alone the atrocities I have watched other cultures perform. You want to see real classy, then take a trip to Port Moresby or Indonesia... then you'll see a whole new breed of violence, despair, torture and death.

Then we can add the lies coming from the protest spokes people, which just aren't helping there own cause, first saying they were given no warning to remove themselves on TV, then stating to news outlets that they rejected the offer given previously to continue as daytime protests only, without the camping out aspect.

No warning given: [DLMURL]http://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/video/-/watch/26965107/police-storm-sydney-occupy-protestors/[/DLMURL]

Oh yer... sorry, we rejected those notices and ignored the police direction: [DLMURL]http://www.skynews.com.au/businessnews/article.aspx?id=677117&vId=2797360&cId=Business[/DLMURL]

Again, Australian law does not allow for ignorance of Police direction when laws are broken. No excuses... Police were clear, protest during the day and into the evening, but DO NOT camp out overnight.

And the biggie for Australia... there is no such nonsense as free speech in Australia, never has been. Its not part of our laws. If you tell a cop to f*ckoff, you're going to jail if they want to put you there. Activists confuse American culture and laws with Australian culture and laws when protesting. They aren't the same...

I am all for protesting and having your say, you just have to do it the right way, not the wrong way which is being done by some!

Then we have the beloved American occupy Wall Street movement, who are fighting capitalism itself, to only become involved in the exact corruption by allowing Unions to support them with resources in trade to help the Unions with some business issues they have: [DLMURL]http://biggovernment.com/lstranahan/2011/10/21/occupy-and-unions-combine-forces-against-private-business-in-their-war-on-america/[/DLMURL]

Its lost touch already with the big picture... the very movement itself has so swiftly shifted to capitalism by supporting Union motives.

The effect on business was discussed on Sunrise Friday, if memory serves me correctly... how some businesses in the vicinity had already closed up shop and sent workers home without pay for several days because they were losing money due to the protesters covering their business fronts, thus entry to the premises. If it continued, job losses were already being prepared for... some businesses had already dismissed some employee's due to no work. More than likely they were casuals... still lost jobs due to stupidity.
 
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