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Apology Or Passive Aggression?

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@missy meier - that all sounds very familiar!

Actually I hit the "I'm done" point at least a fortnight ago (34 years in the making!). Now it's the "so what the hell do I do about it" point. It's all well and good that I've decided I'm done, but communicating that without getting rocks thrown at me every time we cross paths at mum's, that's going to be the real trick!
 
@BlueOrange - heya stranger!

She's not going to change, not this decade anyw...

Wow! If she is textbook BPD, I"d be happy with the apology you got, however insincere it may or may not have been. She might be trying to be apologetic in her own way. She may be going through the motions because she feels like she has to apologize to maintain a family dynamic that is beneficial to her. Who knows?!

Back to your original question, which was whether she was being genuine or passive aggressive, maybe consider asking yourself questions about the possible answers, What if she was being passive aggressive, what then? How would that make you feel? What if she was being genuine, how would that make you feel? How would either intention or attitude change your relationship with her? The answers will tell you way more about yourself and how you relate to her than anything having to do with her directly.

The truth is, based on what you described, is that she has some serious issues (don't we all?). You might NEVER understand how she works, and it might not even benefit you to fully understand. It might be a much better use of your time and energy to try to understand YOU in the situation and develop stronger boundaries. Easier said than done. You will have to be creative in order to navigate the dynamics in a way where you are not allowing yourself to be disrespected without getting caught up in the emotions of the situation. It will be hard, but may be a better use of your energy to accept the situation for what it is and figure out how you can adapt to it in a way that shows you care and love about yourself.

I will tell you that, from my experience, BDPs do not like when people have boundaries or they can't get a rise out of someone. My close friend with BDP, realized that she couldn't manipulate me, so she stopped. She now tends to not gravitate towards me as much. I still love her, yet the distance is fine with me.

With family it's especially hard. It sounds like you love her very much, or you would not put so much into trying to make things right with her. But just because someone is your sister, doesn't mean they are any different than any other person. And people often suck. My mom, for example, I've come to accept that if I look at her and expect her to be what most people think of when they think of a "normal" mom, I get very upset, because that is definitely not her. But I remind myself that I am an adult now, so I don't really NEED a mom for my own survival and well-being. I have had to do a lot of "self-mothering" on my own. But when I look at my mom as a "person" in my life, I think, "Wow! She is pretty cool." I've actually learned a lot from her and she is very loving and forgiving, more so than anyone I know. When I think of her in that way, and dismiss her from the mom role, I really look at her differently.

Similarly, maybe its time to adjust how you view your sister. If she has such serious issues as you described, what is it that you can reasonably expect from her? Maybe a sincere apology is too much to ask. Maybe you will always have to be the "better person" or no one will. (Although I'm sure she's good at making herself appear to be the better person). How can you let her be what she is, but still remain in a place where you feel empowered and that you protect yourself with love and respect? The love and respect is ultimately from within yourself, rather than from external sources.
 
@missy meier - that all sounds very familiar!

Actually I hit the "I'm done"...

Good for you for recognizing what you won't put up with. Yes, it seems like you have your work cut out for you. Maybe if you give examples of things she might say or do, we can brainstorm possible ways you could respond that make you feel like you are holding your ground, respecting yourself, but not creating unnecessary drama.

I'm logging off to go to work. Hope you have a wonderful love-filled day.
 
@missy meier : borderline. Very borderline!

@Sweet_E : wow! Yeah, this is me making myself enmeshed with the person I'm trying to extract myself from. You're right, genuine or BS, the outcome is still the same, which is that I still don't want her in my life. Even if it was a rubbish apology, that's just her being her, and there wasn't (and isn't) any apology that she can give that would make me rethink where I'm at. The only thing that would change my mind about my relationship with her is if I saw actual change in the way she treats me, which isn't something she could achieve in a single phone call, no matter how sincere.
 
Does it have to an apology OR passive aggression? Passive aggressive people do apologize. It tends to be in context when they do it, but short of completely restructuring her conversational style and outlook on life and complicating disorders... If you're ever going to get an apology or admit of wrongdoing from your sister, it seems reasonable to think that it will be within her current framework, yes?

Kinda like an angry person might swear whilst apologizing, a martyrish person may sob all over you whilst apologizing, an analytical person may logic out the apology, etc.

If what you wanted was the apology? You got it. If what you wanted was something else? Acknowledgement with or without an apology, recompense, remorse, repentance, regret, penitence, guilt, shame, behavior mod, etc.? That gets a little more complicated.

What were you hoping for as a response when you wrote her the letter outlining how she's hurt you? Sounds like something more than just an apology, perhaps?
 
@Sandstone - no, I think I actually need to keep her out of my life for a while. I'm working pretty hard on self-acceptance at the moment (ie I'm working on me!), and I'm always going to be sad for her because I know she has a lot of her own demons. But I'm finding self-acceptance really hard, and I just can't afford to have people in my life that don't respect me. That's all 'me' stuff, and what I need right now. Maybe in the future we can rebuild, and hopefully her recovery trajectory improves, but I need to stop trying to help her and just focus on me for a while. It's pretty tragic, given what we've been through together and in an ideal world we'd be supporting each other's healing, but at 34, I need to accept it just isn't working out that way (yet). Even if she never changes, maybe one day I have enough self-acceptance that I can handle it...maybe!

@Friday - I was actually surprised she called at all, so when I saw that it was her calling, I had to give myself a little pep talk about "stick to your boundaries Ragdoll!" before I answered.

I think I'd have rather had no apology than a bullshit apology, because I wasn't looking for one. I was just trying to say "the nastiness isn't acceptable to me any more, I'm out". So she didn't actually need to respond at all.

But she was behaving consistently - an apology framed in "you're the one at fault". But I think in an ideal world I'd have preferred nothing at all to that. Moving forward, I'm planning to just not engage her at all. All I really need from her is to not come between me and my relationship with my mum, which is where it was getting to, hence the new boundary, "treating me like shit when we cross paths isn't okay".

Having respect for where she's at, means not engaging her I think. She has BPD, and you're right, that's part of her package and it would be as unreasonable of me to expect her to "just not be like that" as it would be for her to expect me to "just not be all ptsd-ish". She can't just drop the BPD because I don't like it, and if I can't handle her being like that, I need to keep myself away from her and not engage with her and demand that she changes.

It's a pretty tragic situation. It's one thing to have PTSD and all the shame and guilt and, and, and...But having BPD does genuinely make her life really super difficult. Thing is that she probably does the splitting thing with me because I am actually important to her and she's struggling to regulate that, but I have to leave her to deal with her own recovery at this point. I've got enough to deal with just trying to fix me!
 
@Ragdoll Circus I think that there are legitimate times that a "But" is acceptable,...

I should note that the words "I'm sorry but" will always signal (for me) imminent violence.

However, my bias aside, I still think it extinguishes any apology.

In my view, a real apology has these elements:
- I acknowledge that I hurt you
- It is my intention to avoid hurting you in future by behaving differently
- I want to heal our relationship

Of course you were provoked, or thought you had a good reason at the time, that's always the case for everybody. If you defend your behavior, you're saying you'll do it again next time. That's not an apology.
 
@missy meier - that all sounds very familiar!

Actually I hit the "I'm done"...

Don't communicate it. You've tried, it won't change anything. Enforce what you can, and minimize contact. When (inevitably) you're accused of failing to cooperate, then state how you perceive the situation. When (inevitably) this becomes an excuse to beat you up, say "These are exactly the conversations I want to avoid. I don't want to have this conversation."
 
@Ragdoll Circus Your sister and mine are twins! For so many years I have struggled had to cut off contact reconnect and try again. I know the drill and I also know that she is having so many different diagnosis but she has always been high maintence.

Then one day she just disappeared and I do not have a clue what happend. I think she is alive because her best friend would call me if she had died. She might have actually done something and landed in jail for all I know.

I tell you this because I can relate to what you are saying and everyone here pretty much said it all already.

I wish you the best in this situation.
 
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