OliveJewel
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I’m calling this “Bound 2 Save”. I can’t remember if Jesus wept on the cross or if he was like kind of cool with it (and very sorry about that being an offensive statement.). Cat for scale.
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I think @OliveJewel if you believe in Christianity, Jesus being also fully human screamed out from the depths of his pain, "My God, My God, why have You forsaken me?", followed by a prayer of Thanksgiving. He did however at another time cry when his friend had died, and He was grossly misunderstood by the friends around Him as to why He delayed. And helping them He knew sealed his death warrant. (Far as I understand). That's why they say (with the Crucifixtion including for those who hated Him) no one could ever show such great love. FWIW I once heard it said God has been trying to show people who He is (and isn't) from the beginning, and it's love with no basis in anything unloving or condemning.
Anyway, nice work. Back to regular programming.
Anyway, nice work. Back to regular programming.
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OliveJewel
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Interesting! Kind of reminds me of what we do in our diaries how we process really hard shit and are like crying and dissociating and then some of us end it by shifting to gratitudes. (Not saying we are Jesus-like, just saying it reminds me of that—the pain shifting to gratitude—sometimes, for some of us, maybe as a form of distraction.)
Not sure what you mean here but it sounds interesting.
Helping his friends made him get arrested by the government? Because he was like a disrupter
Sorry if this is derailing the thread, not my intention to veer it in that direction just wondering what you meant, if you can share more.
Friday
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I’ve seen people crucified, and people who “just” have spikes driven into highly enervated areas (wrists & ankles are brutal). Unless they’ve screamed so much they’ve shredded their vocal cords, and can no longer make sound? They’re screaming. And losing control of every other bodily function. If they’re so far gone they can no longer make noise? It’s tears, and snot, and puke, and piss, and shit, and cum. Ditto, even if they are screaming.
OliveJewel
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@Friday I mean, he was a god and i grew up in catholic church where he was always like father mercy love even and especially from the cross and that he was going to the cross because he loved you individually. And I was thinking about the verse in the Bible called “Jesus wept,” and I didn’t remember if it was from when he was on the cross or not and I forgot about the forsaken thing but saying “cried out” doesn’t necessarily mean crying. Plus he was a god doing it for a real reason of loving your personal heart—in one church, not catholic, that I went to they said he was thinking about saving you personally. So it’s hard to think about all that love and crying unless crying from love. My intention is not to be crass. In the Catholic Churches crucifixes he loooks a teeny sad but mostly super serene like he’s kind of proud that he’s there because saving the whole world is kind of cool and I know that I’m dumb but really, he’s not the same as a human to me. Even if he’s both human and god that’s not the same as just human getting tortured, from a religious point of view. Again, I don’t want to argue about the human god thing but the dogma is that he’s a god (i mean that he is god) so that’s what I was talking about. I know my words are jumbled so sorry. I mean, if he was crying it was because he thought god was being mean and the pain or because he loved the world because he is god. It’s not totally clear to me and I’m not saying it should be or is.
OliveJewel
MyPTSD Pro
I’m calling this one “Beans are falling on my head and I can’t hear them”
I’m calling this one “Que pasó”
I’m calling this one “Que pasó”
Well I'm no authority on it @OliveJewel , but I can try, as short as possible. Jesus hung out with those who were rejected, shunned, condemned by the religious authorities (and others) of the time; women, kids, those who were suffering, people who were the outcasts and worthless in society. He was radical, but as in radically loving. He was a threat to the rulers/ State because of his followers and fearing a loss of their power; he was a threat to the religious authorities because they followed their hundreds of laws to the letter and their concept of sin and death in the society was similar to our Just World Theory.
He healed many people but not just in God's name, they accused him saying He 'was' God (i.e. blasphemy). By the end (of which knowing everything He knew what was coming too) his friend (Lazarus) died and his sisters said if you had been here it wouldn't have happened. He didn't go on purpose, but raising him from the dead sealed his fate, along with Judas' actions of course. From the start of his birth when Herod killed all the babies (hearing and fearing the future 'King') he was threatened. From what I understand of the cross, it was as only one could horrifically imagine, as @Friday said,. (Crucifixions were common). Unbearable pain, designed to also humiliate (naked, stripped, elevated for others to gawk at), nailed through likely the wrists and ankles, and usually one died of asphyxiation. Crucifixes were a sign of humiliation for a long time after. Needless to say, I think His prayer of thanksgiving was not only what He knew (raised as a Jew) but what He knew was the truth, despite all the ugliness of what was present, sin unmasked one might say, and where He came back to after His loneliness and feelings of abandonment. Many have said He was willing voluntarily to enter in to the depths of the greatest despair and evil, but out of love, nothing else. Never a distraction, fully present. In Christianity it's the human expression of God (vs spirit).
On a lighter note, someone once came to my door and said, "We're living in the most brutal time in history, don't you think?" To which I said, "I can think of many that have been worse!" (Will give her that, she didn't budge from a barking German Shepherd so was pretty brave, lol).
ETA , No , I think the understanding is Jesus was as human as they come.
He healed many people but not just in God's name, they accused him saying He 'was' God (i.e. blasphemy). By the end (of which knowing everything He knew what was coming too) his friend (Lazarus) died and his sisters said if you had been here it wouldn't have happened. He didn't go on purpose, but raising him from the dead sealed his fate, along with Judas' actions of course. From the start of his birth when Herod killed all the babies (hearing and fearing the future 'King') he was threatened. From what I understand of the cross, it was as only one could horrifically imagine, as @Friday said,. (Crucifixions were common). Unbearable pain, designed to also humiliate (naked, stripped, elevated for others to gawk at), nailed through likely the wrists and ankles, and usually one died of asphyxiation. Crucifixes were a sign of humiliation for a long time after. Needless to say, I think His prayer of thanksgiving was not only what He knew (raised as a Jew) but what He knew was the truth, despite all the ugliness of what was present, sin unmasked one might say, and where He came back to after His loneliness and feelings of abandonment. Many have said He was willing voluntarily to enter in to the depths of the greatest despair and evil, but out of love, nothing else. Never a distraction, fully present. In Christianity it's the human expression of God (vs spirit).
On a lighter note, someone once came to my door and said, "We're living in the most brutal time in history, don't you think?" To which I said, "I can think of many that have been worse!" (Will give her that, she didn't budge from a barking German Shepherd so was pretty brave, lol).
ETA , No , I think the understanding is Jesus was as human as they come.
OliveJewel
MyPTSD Pro
Thank you @Tinyflame ! Very interesting! Especially these parts
I never heard of that and will research. ETA: the Wikipedia article said that belief in a just world is a coping strategy, that people who believe in it have happier lives and an internal locus of control. Sounds great!
Did it seal his fate because it proved he was god which was blasphemy (sorry I really want to understand but I think I’m still getting it wrong? It’s just a small detail, hoping you can explain it without this being considered a derailment.)
Wow! Fascinating!
Friday
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No worries!
And I never ever argue religion with anyone. Just as a heads up. Debate/discuss/explore with friends? Certainly. But, always? To each their own. Full stop.
I’ve read older church texts, when crucifixion was still common (it sort of petered out between 1,000 ad & the 1600s, in favor of more painful & gruesome public punishments, or faster & quicker deaths) where the pain of crucifixion was still meant quite literally, and more modern ones where it’s allegorical / symbolic instead of understood by experience.
Didn’t know which way you were running with it, so since it’s the therapy thread, instead of the art thread, figured lived experience might be useful. If not? Again, no worries!
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Sideways
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Mod Note: this is an art therapy thread. Conversation about the content of your art makes a lot of sense here. But we’ve gone off topic now.
The off topic conversations can happen in multiple places. Other places. Take it to those other places guys!
The off topic conversations can happen in multiple places. Other places. Take it to those other places guys!
OliveJewel
MyPTSD Pro
I recently learned about execution ballads, which were basically like news briefs, and apparently the more gruesome and torturous deaths were meant to bring shame to the families of the persecuted, not the individual themselves, which is why kings and royalty were *always* beheaded (versus drawn and quartered, the wheel, etc) because it was quick and painless. And Guillotin was a French human rights guy, who similar to Temple Grandin who engineered the kindest death machines for cattle, created a machine where everyone could be executed equally and not by the guy in the black hood but by a feeling-less machine. Anyway… it is relevant because lately I’ve been feeling spacey and quite
OliveJewel
MyPTSD Pro
Made these just now
. I think it’s a story.
. I think it’s a story.
