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Attachment In Therapy - Another Thread

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Hi Pencil,

Firstly I'm not sure we're completely understanding each other about your current/previous therapist. What I'm trying to say is that I don't see a deliberate strategy to destabilise you in terms of attachment in order for you to look at or process that. You hinted at that but I didn't understand if that was something you were wondering about or her stated professional aim. It seems that is not her stated professional aim?

What I suspect (but obviously can't know) is that this therapy relationship, in the nature of all therapy relationships, has brought out the attachment issues. It may be that this therapist really doesn't have as obviously warm and caring an approach as a different therapist might. But then I'd say two things:

a) That doesn't mean she's trying to push your attachment buttons deliberately.

b) What I also suspect is that if you saw Different Therapist and started out feeling she was warm and caring the attachment issues would still hit at some point, because they will and they do and that's what happens. At some point Different Therapist would "do something". Perhaps in a similar situation Different Therapist would not continue any email contact with you at all. Or she would decide to take a 3 month trip just when you needed her. Perhaps she would simply start appearing colder and less caring. Or forget promises that she made to you.

I'm not saying that this is personal to you, I'm saying it's archetypal - within the homeopathic/allopathic approaches. Any therapy relationship for any client and any therapist brings out attachment issues. If the attachment issues are severe then they will manifest severely.

Of course, it could be that your current/previous therapist wasn't the best fit for you to work through this with. If so, I'd say that is not to do with how and warm and caring she is - I wouldn't recommend seeking out another therapist only on the basis that she is warm and caring. I'd say that it's to do with how skilled and experienced she is at working with severe attachment issues.

When you talk about fence and pasture, if understand correctly you're saying that the boundaries are the fence (amount/type of contact) and the thing you see as provoking attachment issues is the pasture (content/warmth of the contact). However, I think the pasture is also about boundaries. The content and warmth of contact is also governed by boundaries in a therapy relationship. Because it's a therapy relationship and not any other kind. I'm sure that you've read enough posts on the forum about people going shoe shopping, baking cookies or chatting about each others' personal lives with their therapists and wondering why they're not making progress, to appreciate what I mean.

So the way I see it is that if you're in a position to find another therapist then you need to be looking not for safe attachment (because I don't think there's such a thing) but for a safe enough approach to attachment issues.

As I said before, the way I see both homeopathic (set out to explore the feelings) and allopathic (reparent/give what you didn't have) is that I'm personally beyond the point where those things would help me. Maybe you're not, and you'd find something like reparenting helpful. If so, I think you would need to approach that realistically and accept that it's impossible to skip a lot of stuff that would come up. I also think it needs to be seen as reparenting yourself with guidance and support from a therapist, and not a therapist reparenting you. Or even reparenting yourself without a therapist.

In my case, what I see I need to bring in is not something that has a parent/child construct at all. I'm hesitating to say what I think would help me because I think you see things very differently for yourself that I do for me. But essentially it's to do with leaving to one side the consciousness of all the development I missed as a child and instead of trying to do anything with or about that, going straight to the consciousness that I want to have now.

To take the analogy of trying to clear up a disordered house - instead of getting lost working through piles of clutter, or going out and buying more storage to pack everything into, it's about stopping and visualising how I would like the living space to be, regardless of how it is now. Then everything I do is for that vision. While I might still have to throw out stuff like unwanted presents or purchases I wasted money on, that isn't my focus and I don't have a dilemma over them. They're things I can let go of In a moment while I create the living space I want.

How that translates for me back into attachment is by changing my beliefs about myself and attachment and connecting to what would represent healthy attachment for me now. That will require a dual awareness - not denying my starting point but allowing it to be there while also choosing to follow a different reality over that parallel one.

It also means being willing to leave my wounded self alone and turn to other parts of myself instead. If I put that in terms of archetypes, it means that I don't try to change the shadow side of my Orphan Child archetype. I let her be as alone, bitter, resentful and vicious as she wants. And I turn to other archetypes that can help me with attachment instead - the Companion, the Lover, the Goddess, the Servant and so on. But for someone who works in a different way it would be however they work. It might be solution-focussed CBT, compassion focussed therapy or anything that resonates with them and doesn't involve looking backwards.
 
I think if it were me I would try and start seeing someone else if you can possible afford it?... you can still maintain the email contact as a back up- but maybe a new therapist would help you more and eventually you wouldnt feel you needed the email contact? SOunds like a really hard situation for you though and i hope it improves soon
 
Pencil, I seem to have gone through a bit of what you have gone through. I have my inner little girl. I have attachment issues. All I can tell you is what my T did. I spent the first year just chatting with him. We didn't really touch on trauma, at least not much. I was really messed up, suicidal, and up and down. I never wanted to attach to him. After 2 years, I did attach. You know my recent story.

I don't know if your former T is doing you a disservice or not. I don't know if just keeping in touch by email, and not sharing opinions and stories is going to make you more attached. It just keeps you hanging on and seems a bit cruel to me. It seems like she is holding it just out of reach. Which seems sort of cruel to me. Disregard if that isn't true for you.
I feel for what you are going through. My T told me that a sudden break in therapy is a huge trigger, and a huge upheaval. I had a small dose of what you are going through, I admire your ability to keep going. You are strong for being able to do that and brave for posting. Feel free to PM me if you want.
 
What I'm trying to say is that I don't see a deliberate strategy to destabilise you in terms of attachment in order for you to look at or process that.
No, she doesn't, although I don't want to make the 'no' too emphatic, as it might just be the case (I don't trust my judgement at all). I really think her heart is in the right place, and the issue is not with who or what SHE is, but with her theoretical framework. The psychodynamic orientation is by nature withholding and cold. The fact that she is willing to have this contact with me proves that she cares, and that is why I've been holding on - this is more than anyone in the world is willing to do for me. But there are MANY therapists out there who are warm and nurturing (NONE of them psychodynamic :) ). You see, I've always hid in my head; feelings terrify me, and talking about things do not get my feelings and thoughts in the same room. I can TALK about the most terrifying emotions in such a calm way that the other person has no idea what's happening inside me. (Perhaps this is why I don't understand the conversations about 'ground All the talk seems to drive my thoughts and emotions further apart. I've read extensively - and was initially surprised to learn about the acceptance that physical contact is gaining in psychotherapy (though not in the psychodynamic camp :) ). And I know this is what I need, but I am hesitant to say it as some people immediately respond to this with an outcry of 'boundary crossing'.

I'm rambling, for two reasons: The issue is confusing and loaded and dense, and your posts are always dense and challenging. The more I'm trying to explain myself, the more I'm getting myself into knots, and the less clear I am. I want to go through your posts again before I go further.

Thank you for your posts, Hashi, I appreciate your thoughtful responses very much. And please don't hesitate to say something just because we might or do not agree. Agreement is not important; realising that neither of is the universal norm is, and sharing on that basis is valuable.
 
It just keeps you hanging on and seems a bit cruel to me. It seems like she is holding it just out of reach. Which seems sort of cruel to me.
Monster, thank you, thank you, thank you!!!! OMG you have no idea what a relief it is to hear it from someone else. This is what I've been FEELING.

Earlier today I had the urge to ask you to give me your opinion, but thought that would be a huge cheek and imposition ...
 
My T is warm and empathetic. He allows me to email and always answers, no matter how many emails I send. He goes out of his way to stress that he is there to work with me not matter how many times I quit. I really am getting the feeling of secure attachment with him. That is so hard for me to say. I told him I was attached at my last session. It was the bravest thing I've done in a while.

During my last crisis, a member pointed out to me that I was also attached to people here on the forum, and I used those attachments to help myself. This is also true. I didn't realize how many attachments I had, even if they were small.
 
you can probably see yourself in me. It makes it easier for both of us I think.
Yes, it does.

If you feel up to it I'd like to know what you mean when you say he is warm and shows empathy. What form does it take? Let me give you an example, so you don't have to reveal things about your therapy that is private. Let's imagine you said to him: 'I think I feel safe with you', would he say: I'm glad', or 'I am glad you had an experience of safety'. Is he 'there' with you, or does he always remove himself from the situation, if you know what I mean? PC if you'd prefer.
 
I wanted her to meet me on a feeling level, and she met me on an intellectual level,
I'm quoting Leah totally out of context here - stole this from her thread - but this is EXACTLY what happens in psychodynamic therapy. And this is what makes me feel so despondent at times with the therapist.
 
And whenever I did show emotion, or tried to convey how I FELT - bereft, insecure, afraid - she wanted me to see a psychiatrist for medication. In fact, I did not SHOW emotion, I reported emotions via email.
 
And whenever I did show emotion, or tried to convey how I FELT - bereft, insecure, afraid - she wanted me to see a psychiatrist for medication. In fact, I did not SHOW emotion, I reported emotions via email.

Saying this with all respect, Pencil. This is just a reflex response to your post, but...there is always a but (butt) in the room. Aren't (weren't) you going to her for her expertise and opinion? If her opinion was that you may need to consult with a psychiatrist, why not? I mean if it made you not feel "bereft, insecure, and afraid," I would jump all over that!!!

I am not sure this has come out as sincere as I truly mean it to be. I believe that in order for you to be able to move forward, at some point in time you are going to HAVE to give in to the process or you are going to drive yourself nuts trying to outthink it. You can't outthink this, Pencil. It is what it is. If you see a professional and they give you an opinion, you are going to have to find some faith in their judgement. Second guessing their motives will not buy you any peace dear friend. Hang in there!!! Sending loads of strength!
 
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