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[Recovery4Me]

you are surmising that the institution isn't broken

Perhaps, it is indicative of more than an institution ... perhaps we are broken in many ways as an Nation. However, until there exist a viable resolution for the underlying fester, pointing fingers at the ravages of disease and overshadowing those whom do serve honorably...there will not be a cure. It may be time to look higher than the uniform. :notworthy:

 

[joeylittle]

Wikipedia isnt exactly a credable source.

Just like anything - sometimes it is, and sometimes it isn't. Handy hint: see if the article is footnoted. Follow the footnotes. Because whatever you want to say about wiki, the well annotated articles are a much more sophisticated link-base than Google.

I don't advocate murder. I don't advocate an eye for an eye. But I understand why people could turn to riot when the police are committing murder and receiving no punishment for it.

Radical reform of law enforcement is the answer - not increasing law enforcement by going to martial law. It's too late to stop the cascade of violence. And it's horrible. It's truly horrible.

But I don't see it stopping without the entire law enforcement body stepping back, removing all officers who have records of excessive force through to those who are being investigated for unlawful death, and rebuilding public safety from almost the ground up.

I think a bold move from US law enforcement in this direction would turn the tide. I don't think anything short of it will stop the current violence.

It's nearly impossible to conceive of it, when one considers how much is state-controlled. Everyone would have to f*cking get on board.

 

[lostforgottensoul]

Not crediable as it can be written by anyone. I try to get sources that are by Drs, professors, Havard type but true enough.

Anway, @joeylittle, I full agree with everything you stated. All i was saying was that I get the frustration but I dont get the eye for an eye staces that so many have. Its just not something I can understand.

But I do believe we need martial law, ive said that from the start and stripping law ennforcement to bare bones and re-building is a great idea. The US likely wont because somewhere along the way the US has lost her brain but its a great idea.

 

[joeylittle]

Not crediable as it can be written by anyone.

I'm dogging this - but most of the people who write for wiki are professors. And I will say again - the footnotes will tell you whether the article is researched or not. Wiki articles, unlike random google references, are managed for bias.

The US likely wont because somewhere along the way the US has lost her brain

Agree 100%

 

[Anarchy]

Yeah

it's often impossible to reform

sometimes the whole system has to be scrapped (or to collapse) and start again from scratch

Police and police unions are a massive and highly privileged political constituency, few politicians dare even mutter anything that the cops might take exception to.

personal preference is to scrap all of state sector policing (and the big state) as a badly failed 150 year plus social experiment. there isn't a single service which couldn't be provided at higher quality and more affordably AND in greater quantity by the free market

I'd better point out before someone says "BUT THE PINKERTONS WOULD TAKE OVER"
the pinkertaon agency was one of many - would it have been able to grow as large as it did without state contracts?

this guy is an example of what is being done now on the free market

 

[Anarchy]

personal preference is to scrap all of state sector policing (and the big state) as a badly failed 150 year plus social experiment. there isn't a single service which couldn't be provided at higher quality and more affordably AND in greater quantity by the free market

I'm not actually sure which one will collapse first
Fiat money is looking shaky
American exceptionalism is looking very shaky too
and the political systems and status quo as well

no one expected the Berlin wall to fall as quickly as it did
and there are all sorts of quotes from lamestream economists a few days before each and every massive financial crash saying how "it's different this time" and "we've achieved lasting stability"

things change very quickly

[GALLERY=media, 3427]Zimbabwe-100-trillion-dollar-bill-obverse by Anarchy posted Jul 22, 2016 at 6:16 PM[/GALLERY]

[GALLERY=media, 3234]Party's over by Anarchy posted Jun 4, 2016 at 3:16 PM[/GALLERY]

 

[Justmehere]

If it's an eye for an eye, then the whole world ends up blind.

I'm very concerned both major parties are calling for federalization of the police. There are cities who have been able to turn the pattern around with community policing - better relationship between the community and people.

Generalizing the police will dramatically separate law enforcement from the people, and the animosity will rise.

And it's not the first time in history that a country has gone down this very road.

 

[lostforgottensoul]

Generalizing the police will dramatically separate law enforcement from the people, and the animosity will rise.

Thats what i was trying to say, you just said it in better wording (im horrible trying to express my opinions, knowledge, and beliefs in words).

I'm very concerned both major parties are calling for fredewalization of the police.

http://www.theblaze.com/contributio...-the-police-force-just-happened-in-baltimore/

I do not want it, I do not believe in it, I think we are nearing way to close to Socialosm and I do not believe in Socialism (my opinion) and my opinion is Obama is now only intrested in "his legacy". I dont believe in big government, I think federalizing too much is bad and would not help. The States need to keep control and honestly the government needs to release some control they have and let the States control more. Just my opinions and beliefs.

Though martial law temporarily might be a good idea to "reconfigure" the police force, we do not need the government to control more than they already do. Eventually "Big Brother" is going to tell me when I can take a shit! Again, just my opinions.

 

[Justmehere]

Oh dear, my eyes were crappy this morning! So sorry for my now corrected typo -- glad you could still follow me. :)

@lostforgottensoul - I so agree!

We need better training for our officers, but I don't think this is achieved by putting it under the control of the federal government. They still haven't sorted out how to run the dept of education effectively, and are failing at so many other federal programs. We federalized airport security and that has been a disaster! I don't think privatization of the police force is the solution either - but private security at airports has been shown to handle airport security so much better.

Feds can play a role by strengthening the prosecution of the handful of bad cops that are out there. We need an independent organization that does this. We can't continue to use prosecutors that rely on working relationships with the police to also handle prosecuting them when they willfully screw up and commit crimes. Too many conflicts of interest... We need to restore the trust that people have in law enforcement and the trust that the bad ones will be held accountable, and the good ones will be supported to do even better.

The fed could also offer grants to help cities fund better training - not with greater weapons training, but people skills. Not because all cops are bad at this, but because it's a really hard job and they get little training on this!

Turning community police officers into what will look like a militarized TSA force in our communities? It will destroy what little trust is left, and people respond with violence when they stop trusting the people in place to protect them and administer justice.

We have to do this for the sake of our communities, the very communities where our officers live and work, for the sake of the officers themselves. PTSD rates among officers are much higher than even combat vets. The more that officers become isolated from communities, the more that rate will rise. Which isn't going to help anything...

My heart breaks for the loss of life...