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Came Up… Elsewhere.

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I think what does it matter in the sense we live and die and how important is it?
I don’t know what priority it should take. But I guess it just feels like it’s a good place to start maybe? If it isn't that vital though, shouldn’t it be then a good place to practice for the things that are? Like my T has me practicing grounding exercises when I don’t need them so hopefully they are some I think about and will find easier to do when I really do need them.

so I ask myself why I am, since anger is a cover emotion.
Interesting how we each feel differently. So I have never thought of anger being a cover emotion. (I am not sure I even quite understand what that means 🤣). Because of my own background with JWs anger is a bad emotion and means you lack self-control. It is very difficult for me to get angry. But Pete Walker’s book talks about needing anger to “thought-stop” the inner critic and how use anger to combat fear and shame and to use it in concert with crying.

To me the fact you can find anger is a good thing. A place I haven’t reached for myself yet.
 
Well I'm not sure I found it exactly @Darkness Reborn but I lack it for other reasons. Maybe because it rarely served me well, or I just see too many sides to things,, Idk. "Cover" as in there are other feelings it masks, that I agree with.
 
Yeah, its a difficult thing, identity.
Was the real me someone before trauma?
Or years after when I was mostly asymptomatic and "functioning"?
Or now as we deal with trauma?
Or did the real me never have a chance to become an adult because of trauma? Was it trapped by what happened and left behind in order to be semi functional and asymptomatic and is now forgotten or buried away?

I begin to realize that because of things that happened I had to change who I was in my mind to survive all that. I had to build parts of my own identity for myself because I there were things the world outside tried to make part of my identity that were not real.
I think our favorite analyst said it best,

The world will ask you who you are, and if you don't know, the world will tell you.
Carl Jung

The hard part is ignoring what the world tells you, and believing your own truth.
The real me never got a chance to become. I was 8 before all my trauma hit so I never got the chance to see who I was without it. I hate walking around not really knowing who or what I am. I only know trauma and constant survival mode.
 
no. maybe i misunderstood. sorry.
Not at all. No apologies needed. Becoming who “we” are, as a person/ as people? Is a process. That childhood trauma often radically changes (for better, for worse, for neither), as experiences (good/bad/ugly/amazing) also change, later in life.

In relatively normal human development, the people we think of as “us” / I/me, usually happen sometime during the teen years, although refined into the mid to late 20’s, and then a polish is put on it into the following decades. Although there were broad strokes of who we would become from infancy onward, as well as pivotal moments that change “everything” -or nothing, or something’s- throughout the lifespan.

Childhood trauma? Can FREEZE a person in that moment, at that age, and they relate -as an adult- from that age, onward.

Which is why I was asking. If you think/feel exactly the same as if you were 8, or if there’s been serious advance on some/all-except-ABCXYZ fronts, or ???
 
Of course I have my own AI Doc thread going on for identity issues…. I struggle very heavily with this…. I am not even sure I completely understand the concept. I was born in to a cult blah blah blah and had childhood trauma. Told how and what to think and had to think/do things to survive as well.

I read in that thread that some believed the authentic self cannot be destroyed…. But how does one know that if there wasn’t the opportunity to have control over your thoughts, feelings, actions, emotions etc.? What then is authentic?

You are ‘a‘ self… yes, but the self I became was not one by choice. So can that really be your “self”?

The self I am now? I am discovering so many aspects are still ingrained with what I thought was my “old” self.

I feel more like a chameleon who can blend in and adapt to any situation. My first thoughts when uncomfortable are not, “ how should I handle this”, but are, “ what are acceptable actions or thoughts or feelings to be had.” Making sure the “me” being portrayed in that moment is considered acceptable by others around me.

It most often feels that there isn’t a real me because it was never born, only the mold I was put into and molds I have created for myself. Otherwise ”me” is more of a void.

Not sure if I am making this come across as I want.
 
You are ‘a‘ self… yes, but the self I became was not one by choice. So can that really be your “self”?
The way I view self-hood is pretty different to how I've heard others describe it, but maybe it might help to consider it from another perspective. Personally I think people mythologize this concept too much. The idea of a self is this intrinsic, spiritual quality that must be discovered or which can be destroyed or altered from its 'baseline.'

We see this when people talk about not knowing who they are before trauma, or expressing that they believe trauma changed them from what their 'self' otherwise would have been. This is all a priori knowledge, so this viewpoint isn't particularly irrational or bizarre, but I don't really buy it. I don't think that there is a version of me that I would have been if I hadn't experienced trauma. I am my physical composition. My genes, my DNA, my atoms that make neurons and muscle fibers.

It's like if you take a cup and smash it on the ground. It is a smashed cup, and if we want to talk about this version of the cup that would exist if it hadn't been smashed, we wouldn't be talking about changing the cup's molecular composition, but rather its position in space-time (moving it from a reality where it is smashed, to a new reality where it is whole, wouldn't make it suddenly a blue cup if it were purple).

If I hadn't been traumatized, I might have different beliefs and a different personality, but that can happen without trauma. That can happen to you right now, you can change what you believe or create new habits. You can paint a purple cup blue. Who (or rather what) we are is where we are, at any given point on the space-time continuum. And these qualities are inherently malleable and transient, because change is an inherent process of existence.

So I don't bother mourning the person I could have been, because if I want to change my beliefs or make different choices I have the agency to do that now. The universe has some degree of pre-determination, which we have evidence for in the form of the Bareitschaftspotential. If our brain is spinning up electrical activity to move our finger before we even know we want to move our finger, then our awareness of the desire to move our finger isnt the cause of our finger moving. We are simply aware of our brain's activity. In this way, nobody is actually choosing who they are.

Our awareness of this neural activity influences our future neural activity. Consciousness exists due to neural quantum synchronicity, so free will and volition exist in a type of illusory, liminal space. So we aren't locked into a loop, and we can influence our own thoughts and beliefs, but our initial desires are essentially hard-wired. They're a product of our composition, the specific electrical and chemical and hormonal balances in our system that transport between sodium and ion channels in unique pathways.

Essentially, I just don't see the utility in wishing I was different. I have enough agency to be different if I choose, and trauma isn't the sole reason that I am the way I am now. A good bulk of that is determined by my biological composition.
 
Which is why I was asking. If you think/feel exactly the same as if you were 8, or if there’s been serious advance on some/all-except-ABCXYZ fronts, or ???
I was talking to my T about this and kind of came to - was that some of that development stuff was learned more than it came from normal human interaction like it should have.

Because your Prefrontal Cortex should be learning good, bad, happy, sad, ugly, pretty, how to take a hint, and dangerous - it's all dangerous.....
 
You are very kind @Darkness Reborn , thank you.

Just a thought, but if you are choosing to subscribe to what you feel others want or you should be, it is still 'you' in so far that is your choice (even if it feels like there are no other choices). But just as equally you may choose one day to not consider what is the 'required' image or thought or character to put forward, and that will be equally 'you'. Whatever you accept or challenge in your core beliefs will become more what defines you. But I imagine it's life long. No one will ever be or think exactly like you do, no matter what. You are unique. And have to get to know yourself.

Best wishes to you!
 
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