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General Carer of Law Enforcement PTSD Sufferer and a PTSD Person Too

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Shoka

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Hello to everyone on this forum

I have been dating a law enforcement officer (who is recently separated from a long term marriage) for some time. Initially, when I met him we were friends and had a lot in common. He is truly a hero in my eyes, an urban warrior who faces life and death consequences everyday to protect the wonderful city I live in. Our meeting occured due to several projects that we ended up working on together in the city and I was immediately drawn to him. Having so much in common and being a very good team when it came to these special projects we immediatly had a strong bond in a short amount of time. Our romantic feelings inevitably followed and although we were both newly out or getting out of relationships, the time we spent together and the bond between us was too strong to stop the growth of our relationship.

About 5 months into our relationship, I first noticed his extreme jealousy when we ran into an ex boyfriend of mine. It was the first explosion between us, and I had no control over the situation. We fought like I've never fought before. He accused me of making a fool out of him which enraged me because it wasn't the truth and NOTHING I could say could convince him otherwise. There was no sense I could talk to him about the randomness of this ex-boyfriend showing up at the place we were at that night. He was so convinced that I was trying to make a fool out of him. Eventually his accusations set me off to the point where I needed to stand up for myself and it wasn't until I got angry and raised my voice with him that he snapped out of it. It was and still is very draining for me to have to exert myself like that in a fight, it has never been my normal reaction to conflict and the extreme with which I reacted shocked me and then drained me emotionally. At the time, I was in therapy and undergoing EMDR myself from childhood trauma, betrayal, and an previous abusive relationship. It dawned on me that HE might be suffering from PTSD, and I knew I had to be gentle with discussing this idea with him.

From this initial fight, it seemed like slowly we had opened the gates of hell with regard to his PTSD. From that night on, almost every two weeks I began to notice a pattern of his aggression. The cycle would go something like he'd go out and have one too many drinks, not eat enough, not have enough sleep and I could feel the tenseness building. The tension would build and build to the point where one phone call from the wrong person in my life would set him off. I would adjust my life, make changes, reassure him that I love him and am loyal to him, but nothing would matter. Then the explosion would occur, always at night, usually mid week, always at my house. He would make an accusation and I just was unable to take it anymore and would have to stand up for myself. Standing up for myself would start off calmly like asking him to please stop the conversation, which would escalate his response until I was cornered into a fight or flight mode. It was almost as if he WANTED me to fight. My PTSD reactions have never been the angry kind, they've more been withdrawal, depression, avoidance symptoms, but in these scenarios, I would find myself screaming at him to try to get him to really hear my truth. The problem is again that he seems to respond to the yelling and agression on my part which is great because he backs down, but it really drains me and puts me in a dangerous depression. All the while this is going on, I'm in therapy. Keep in mind while these explosions are going on, there are also other times of great friendship, tenderness, laughter, communication, intimacy and mutual support going on. Its like being on a roller coaster. The pinnacle was one night when the pattern was peaking and we were fighting and I thought he was going to hit me. I was terrified as I've never been in a physically abusive relationship (although I have survived extreme emotional abuse by a master manipulator). Somehow we got through the night and the within days he agreed to get help.

Months later, there has been some real improvement, and our relationship has grown and our love has deepened. I have never had a man in my life who has worked so hard to try to save a relationship. I am so moved by his willingness to face his demons head on for me. The real problem I am having right now is that our relationship is so uncertain. He is separated, but is unable to move forward in his marital status. He is anxious because we do not have a "real" commitment and he can not make that happen any time soon because he is working so hard to deal with the PTSD. I anxious about the situation because I've been led on by a "separated" man before who just strung me along for years. I try to really keep the commitment stuff at bay because obviously we need to chill on this issue- but come on that is easier said then done sometimes. We are both very passionate about each other and want each other exclusively. I am trying to do everything I can to support and love him and also take care of all of my stuff so to the best of my ability so it doesn't get in his way or in the way of our love. I recently had a day where I thought it was best if we just didn't see each other because I was in a place of exhaustion, anger, depression, fear and confusion. I just needed to try to gather myself, and I thought one day of a break was the right thing to do, primarily because I didn't want to fight with him. It was a disaster. He thought I was at the early stages of leaving him, he got desperate and we ended up fighting anyway over the phone, which left me exhausted, unbalanced, worried about his state of mind and resentful. Nothing I could say to him that night was the right thing (and granted I'm admitting that I wasn't in my best place either). I ended up exhausted, feeling guilty about abandoning him, feeling resentful, and feeling very alone (bad for anyone with PTSD).

Bottom line is this, I love this man intensly. I believe that when he and I put our strengths together we have an amazing relationship that can withstand anything, could see continued joy, and could also be a partnership to do great things in the community. On the otherhand our weaknesses together could result in a real tragedy for one or both of us.

I have always been a believer in the theraputic process,as my own time in therapy proves. I'm someone who has worked the 12 steps, has faith in a higher power and genuinely tries to do the best I can every day to live life and be the healthiest person I can be. I'm beginning to think that maybe I should not be in this relationship anymore for several reasons, but I'm not sure if that is compassion fatigue talking or not. I don't want to turn my back on this wonderful man who is so strong, is such a hero and is trying so hard to beat this thing. I also love him deeply and still hope that there is a future for us together. I've read about all the ways I can be a good "Carer", I know I have oceans full of patience and love for him, but I also know that I need to take care of myself first, which I worry seems like abandoment to him. His hypervigilence and demandingness of me at times is hard. I'm not a perfect person, I try not to get defensive when he goes into his "untrusting" and "interrogation" mode with me, but it is really challenging. I can't just take the accusations and what seems like really out there taunts to my character like a doormat. When he is not having an episode, he is extremely apologetic and tells me how wonderful and special I am. I get that as a cop in some of the neighborhoods and drug dealing types he works in he has to be untrusting and suspicious of everyone. I've never given him a reason to doubt me or my loyalty. If anything I've altered my life and several meaningful platonic male friendships to put him at ease. I"ve asked some of my long term platonic male friends to stop calling me altogether and of course I feel like that is unfair to them too! It's crazy, and I fear that my deleting my support system is very unhealthy for me. When the phone rings at home I actually scared that it's going to turn into a huge fight which I always desperatly want to avoid. I usually unplug my phone, but sometimes I forget to.

Tonight I'm worried, I'm tired, I'm confused, I'm overwhelmed by this whole thing and by the ups and downs. Some times we have the most amazing mutually supportive relationship (he's gotten me through some really rough spots and I've helped him through his), and other times it feels unbalanced like I'm the primary caretaker and that I can't handle the load no matter how much I want to. I'm trying to find the healthy balance of taking care of me and then doing my best to love him and take care of him. I know he does the same. He worries about me incessantly.

Don't know what to do, but ask those of you who believe in prayer to please pray for us. I just have to believe that God brought us together for a reason and that we both won't be destroyed in the process. I don't know what to do and realize that doing nothing and just staying the course for the time being is very hard. I also worry that all this investment will result in us not being together and then all I feel is grief and sadness.

I am so grateful for this forum. Beyond words grateful.

thank you for being here.
 
Wow, I think i got it all

Ok first... I can totally give you advice on this.. As a woman and as a woman with inside experience in law enforcement....

Now i understand about him possibly having PTSD, but his jealousy is a red flag (dating red flag) and that concerns me. :naughty: Most jealous rages turn into domestic violence abuse issues.. Just cuz he is a cop and doesn't trust people....(i don't trust people either) jealousy is entirely different...from trust...whole other issue......You either need to nip this in the bud NOW or get out..

Now if he is trying to make an effort than you may have a shot at fixing this jealousy problem... just because someone has PTSD that doesnt give them the right to abuse someone...

1st. He will treat you the way you ALLOW him to treat you.....

Now listen, next time he has a little jealous fit. Calmly stop him mid sentence...and tell him... "I WILL NOT TOLLERATE THIS BEHAVIOR, AND IF YOU CONTINUE, I WILL LEAVE (not leave as in end things...just leave the house ect)" and same thing goes if you are on the phone..simply tell him if he is going to rant and rave you will hang up that you wont allow him to speak to you that way. You could add that his anger and tone of voice scares you.. (this should be a wake up call......to him....)

Now he is a cop... so he should know better. It might take him hearing a dial tone a couple of times or end up sitting on his couch alone to get the message accross.. So hopefully he will..

And don't dump your friends just because of him.. That is crazy. I have lots of guy friends and i am not going to stop being friends with them just cause i have a boyfriend.. Now i didn't say hang out with them all the time.... but talking is ok.. You need to set some boundaries with him NOW!! Has he met any of them? Maybe include him in the conversation..but please dont lose all your friends cause of a guy...

and as far as the separation thing goes... I have seen things go both ways.. I have seen guys walk out of a marriage with 3 kids...and never looked back.. and at the same time.. i have seen ones go back to a wife that was a total bitch.... that you have no control over.. But you are already in over your head... you love him.... so just continue to be everything she ISN't...be sweet, supportive.....BUT DO NOT LET HIM WALK ALL OVER YOU!!!!!.....

You have a little more leverage than you think.....If he loves you...he will chill out a little..

if you have any other questions feel free to PM me.. you have several issues going on here....but right now...

i am concerned with the jealousy and the fighting.....and i am concerned that an abuse pattern is starting to form and that it's about control for him.... start by putting him in his place....and if he backs right down...you have a shot... BUT......if he becomes more angry and volatile by your standing up for yourself...than you need to IMMEDIATELY GET OUT.,....cause that is definately a huge red flag...and a DNR relationship..

good luck
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well, i am out of my league a little but have some thoughts from my 42 year old perspective. As we get older we all have a past. For many that is a marriage, a divorce, or a seperation. If have lived in the same town for a while or for our whole lives then we have old girlfriends or boyfriends. Our friends know these people we cross paths etc. This is commonly called baggage. I think it is essential that any new love that comes into our lives understands that we have this past. We all have it. Our new love has a past. I made this same comment on another thread. If a sufferer wants to deny you the opportunity to go out, or, if the sufferer expects you to ignore all of the people in your past, good and bad, that is not PTSD. That is dominating and controlling behavior. That is not good. That is not part of a healthy relationship...

If you call your ex boyfriend all the time to chat, your new love has a right to get upset. If you run into your ex boyfriend at a bar or at the store or where ever and say "hey how ya been?" , he does not.

I think i would make this clear to any new love coming into your life. I know these people, they are part of who i am. Some of them i even like. You will not tell me who I will or will not talk to. If you do, you will be the old love leaving my life....
 
Everything Missy said, and I mean everything. She has got this dead on and I can't add any more. PTSD is no excuse for this behaviour and I agree you should have major red flags screaming here. I have PTSD and I do NOT engage in that behaviour.

bec
 
You are NOT out of your league...lol

well, i am out of my league a little but have some thoughts from my 42 year old perspective. As we get older we all have a past. For many that is a marriage, a divorce, or a seperation. If have lived in the same town for a while or for our whole lives then we have old girlfriends or boyfriends. Our friends know these people we cross paths etc. This is commonly called baggage. I think it is essential that any new love that comes into our lives understands that we have this past. We all have it. Our new love has a past. I made this same comment on another thread. If a sufferer wants to deny you the opportunity to go out, or, if the sufferer expects you to ignore all of the people in your past, good and bad, that is not PTSD. That is dominating and controlling behavior. That is not good. That is not part of a healthy relationship...

If you call your ex boyfriend all the time to chat, your new love has a right to get upset. If you run into your ex boyfriend at a bar or at the store or where ever and say "hey how ya been?" , he does not.

I think i would make this clear to any new love coming into your life. I know these people, they are part of who i am. Some of them i even like. You will not tell me who I will or will not talk to. If you do, you will be the old love leaving my life....


You are also right.... everyone has a past......... It's good to hear this coming from a guys point of view!!!
 
Thank you becvan

Everything Missy said, and I mean everything. She has got this dead on and I can't add any more. PTSD is no excuse for this behaviour and I agree you should have major red flags screaming here. I have PTSD and I do NOT engage in that behaviour.

bec

I think that a common problem that carers have, is that they are so focused on the PTSD.... that they assume ALL behavior is because of it even when it is not..

Then even when they unconciously know that something they are doing isn't due to the PTSD....STILL they do nothing because they fear a confrontation will cause a trigger.....

so basically the PTSD is an excuse (an excuse that a carer uses FOR walking on eggshells) not to confront them about anything........even if what they are doing ISN'T a PTSD thing.......but how they will react to the carer being upset with them is...

Now I AM totally guilty of doing this ALL the time.. BUT, my relationship is a kind gentle one... There are ABSOLUTELY no signs of any kind of abuse..He has NEVER raised his voice to me....ect.

But, there are clearly somethings that i need to ask him for...Like meeting some of my needs ect. and better communication... Nothing that is bad.. But i think i am affraid of making waves when things are going smooth....and obviously when he is having a bad day, that isn't the time to ask....

I need to grow a set of balls!! :rofl:and i SOOOOO am NOT a timid girl......OMG!! I am such a tough broad...i don't take crap from anyone!!!.... But I just melt when i look at him........(my friends would be rolling their eyes right now:rolleyes:..lol) He completely disarms me...

So i am working on it...... :crazy: any suggestions from anyone???????
 
Sorting Through the Issues

Thank you for your replies. The insights which you all provided have strengthened me. I am grateful to be part of this forum.

Yesterday my sufferer and I went to therapy together. It made a big difference in beginning to sort out what is PTSD, (his and or mine), what is not PTSD, and so forth.

One of the things that the therapist offered as a solution is more communication early on about what we are each feeling in any given situation and NOT allowing things to fester. When I self-inventory, this is a common trait of mine. I think I'm letting something go, but I'm really not and at some point when things get heated they come back out. He agreed that he does the same thing. So what we learned in therapy is to not create a path that we don't want to walk down. We are both going to try to use alot of "Im feeling ....." statements as much as possible in the next few days.

He was wonderful, open, giving and responsive in this session yesterday which made me recognize why I love him so much. I still won't tolerate abusive beahvior and I do need to shore up on letting him know where my boundaries are early on when I feel uncomfortable as missy8888 suggested. It's hard to gauge how to establish these boundaries without setting off his triggers, but your respnses and insights have begun to clarify things for me. Thanks especially to missy8888. I don't know how to PM you yet, but I definetly will soon. I'm not even sure I can PM since I'm so new and still in moderation.

The therapist did differentiate PTSD and some of his control issues. I've always thought there was some negative co-dependant stuff going on but the PTSD clouded my original thoughts. I'm a "newcomer" to the PTSD issue and am sorting through the issues. I am NOT a newcomer to Codependency issues am trying to find balance.

I definetly am afraid of setting off triggers and thinking that the extreme avoidance of this is tapping at the door of codepenent issues that I've worked hard to recover from (like toxic caretaking).
 
Hey

Awe you are welcome. I am glad you went to therapy with him... definately a step in the right direction..... Once u are out of moderation you can message me...

So i did want to share.....Today, I ASKED him for something!!! :clap: GASP!!!!!!

All day at work i was thinking about it.....and then i finally had the balls to do it.... so i called him....i got his voicemail...BALLS!!!
BUT...i didn't wana loose my nerve...so i left it in a message...:rolleyes:..lame i know..lol...( it is a start.....)

I nicely told him that i feel hurt when he doesn't return my call or text and that i don't know whats going on with him and i worry a little and my mind starts to wonder. and that it would really make me happy if he was better at returning messages..

so we shall see how that goes over....... I would be lying if i said i wasn't worried....:dontknow: MEN!!!!!!! lol
 
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Dear Missy8888,

Good for you! I hope you get what you need with regard to communication. I'm lucky in that area with my sufferer, we communicate alot. It's something he really believes in. We are going away for 10 days so I'll be a little absent from the site until then.
When I get out of moderation, I'll definetly PM you.
I'll be anxious to see how your "request" goes over.

Maybe you guys can come up with a code word or something so that on the days he needs to withdraw he can still send you a code so you know he's alright, just having a tough day? My BF and I recently started having "time-outs" on days when he is having a rough time of it, we agreed to stay away from each other so as not to have big heated arguments.

Believe it or not, I stand up for myself a lot with him. What I'm learning between advice I've gotten here and the therapist is that I need to stand up for my self more frequently and sooner in the problem areas (like the jealously stuff).

:Hug_emoticon: Thanks again for your support
Shoka
 
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