Censorship Of Words

[Shamstalat]

I think it's strange that "bullshit" and "bitch" aren't censored but "f.uck" and "ass.hole" are. They seem to me like they're the same level of vulgarity.

 

[fin]

I dont know that it is only the level of vulgarity ....but maybe it is and also..

I think it makes it considerably more difficult to try to come on here and write something that is simply obscenely pornographic without some of these particular terms. Which someone could try to do if they werent genuine and maybe a troll out to upset and well -traumatise people.

I dont know I could be wrong

The emotions that are felt when some of these things are vented out and we let rip....well we dont necessarily need to read these exact words again later, and I do think that anyone else reading will get the idea without the whole word there..

Again I could be wrong

 

[Shamstalat]

I think they should either all be censored or none of them. Censoring some but not others sends mixed messages.

 

[Mahtalat]

I agree. I believe if you're going to censor some swear words and not others...that you should just censor them all to be fair, because swear words are swear words, and each of them can hold a very heavy affect on people regardless.

 

[Luthien]

Guys,

I like the fact that I am able to swear a little around here..it is therapeutic. I can understand why the more vulgar and sexual-based swears have been censored..

If you guys keep this issue going, it is likely that Anthony will just censor all swearing, as he isn't likely to bring the other words back...

I for one, wouldn't like that. At all.

I had a lond hard think about it this week, after I had my own conflict with Anthony, and I realized that I (and, I think, many others on here) tend to forget that Anthony is a real person. He can only do so much. He isn't perfect, and he cannot please all of us.

What he has done in creating and maintaining this forum is nothing short of miraculous, and I think a lot of us need to go easier on him. This forum isn't perfect, there are many things that a lot of us aren't going to agree with...but really, isn't it a wonderful, healthy, supportive place to be anyway??

Does it really matter in the long run, that some swears are censored, and others are not?

I think we all, myself included, need to practice "not sweating the small stuff"

And we need to give Anthony, and Nicolette, a little more understanding, and leeway.

They are people too, and as such, they're prone to error.

I got really upset with Anthony swearing in that post that you're talking about...and I called him on it.

It wasn't professional of him...But then I put myself in his shoes for a while and began to think of what it must be like to have to deal with over a thousand of us..trying to run this forum, and then suffering abuse for it in PMs and in threads...

We must seem like a bunch of ungrateful whiners at times, and it is understandable for him to lose patience. I still don't think he was right to use that terminology, but I was able to understand why he did. Then, I let it go.

I think this is just one more thing that needs to be let go.

Being able to swear on here is a freedom I don't want taken away...

Also, Anthony, Thanks for changing the content of the warnings. I thought it was big of you to step up and take our concerns seriousy.
The new warning is much more user friendly.

 

[Shamstalat]

Oh you changed the content of the warnings, Anthony! Thank you so much. Much appreciated. I think in the end you will probably find out it was well worth the time.

Yes it's true we are hard on Anthony and Nicolette sometimes. I just think that to include rules such as using all capitals is creating more work for themselves, so I think it would benefit both members as well as Anthony and Nicolette not to enforce such rules. Of course many of the others I agree with completely, especially since PTSD is such a sensitive topic. I've seen PTSD discussed on other forums and I have watched it go out of hand very quickly. It is nothing short of miraculous that we can discuss PTSD and trauma on a website in a therapeutic manner. Kudos to you, Anthony and Nicolette, for making that happen.

shamsi

 

[Mahtalat]

I don't know about not enforcing the rules, they do have very good reasons for having them, when I was told about it recently. It's just the way a person goes about things that makes all the difference!

I've only gotten one infraction thus far (and I hope it stays that way) so I don't know hat it looks like as of now. But thank you for changing it :).

And it does take a lot of work to moderate all the posts coming in and out! Which is a lot, I still keep thinking wow, with all these members there are only a few going in and moderating (is there just two or more) anyway that's amazing!

 

[cherryblossom]

I have to say that I don't understand why people have such a problem with the rules and set-up here. The rules are quite clear in the FAQs. You agree to the rules when you sign up. If you break the rules, you get told about it. And yes, getting a warning isn't nice, but you don't make the same mistake again.

It is very hard to classify the vulgarity of swear words, especially on a global site. Certain words are more acceptable in different cultures and classes than others. The site owner has clearly made descisions about certain words - why can't people either accept that or move on. Surely we all have more important things to be stressing over.

I'm not in the habit of speaking my mind on such matters, and maybe this appears too harsh. I've been having a break from the site recently and on returning, I find it hard to understand why members are stressing over certain site rules. I really don't get it. The rules and set up is how it is, designed by the owner of this site. If you don't like it, tough (possibly PM the mods, if you are truely offended by what you are reading, but I don't see the point in a public debate).

We should all be concentrating on supporting each other through the hell of PTSD, not squabbling over the site rules. The owner and mods do a great job here- lets not forget that.

Regards CB

 

[anthony]

Shamstalat and Mahtalat, you have both been put back in moderation because you have done little here than question the forum, rules, etc, all of which you do not control nor do you have the right to continue this nonsense after you have already been answered questions about rules previously. This is called trolling. You have been moderated and will remain as such until we believe you have ceased such behaviour and are legitimate PTSD sufferers here to help yourself heal, gain support and chat about PTSD.

Censorship is not your right either. Again, all you have done is question how this forum runs and done little else. When you have both had some time upon this forum maybe then you should consider any questions to me at that time, and not upon being a new member, where you should really just comply with the existing rules because they are set by members who are really now senior members off this forum and have been around for years to see the effects of issues for a positive or negative result.

Two words and two words alone are censored on this forum, and it has nothing to do with how they affect other people. The words are f*ck and c*nt. The reason these two words come up censored **** if typed in full is so search engines do not determine this website to be a vulgar site, when in fact as already mentioned it is quite acceptable to swear at times, and sometimes people really do just need to swear, vent and get rid of things. Members can type those two words as above if they want, though if they type them in full they are censored. Nothing else is censored... ass, asshole, dipshit, shit, etc etc... The two censored words are viewed as the worst for content issues within search engines. Plaster both words all over your site and you end up automatically branded by search engines as a pornographic website, which this site is far from. This is why both those words, and only those two words are censored. If someone wants or needs to say when they where abused that "I had a pole rammed up my arse and raped," then they can if that makes them feel better. If the post is then reported or an editor believes the language of a member is inappropriate, then we will edit the post accordingly.

 

[midi]

I don't know how many years I spent wasting time fretting and raging over the small stuff. It's part of some mental illness--using the trivial to distract from the underlying sickness. I used to feel deep shame for all the heated debates I started over nothing; now I realize I needed help.

IMO, I really like that the f-bomb is ****, because when I'm upset or triggered, I can type out that emotion and it doesn't assault people on the other end anywhere nearly as bad as if it was literally in their face. It comes out as snowflakes instead of bullets.

 

[Seeking_Nirvana]

Good point Midi, Snowflakes instead of bullets in someone's face.

Sometime perception has a lot to do with trivial issues. Some people have different ideas about what is trivial and what is important based on their life experience.

Once I witnessed this girl who whined about everything and made things up to create problems in other people's lives,and she had a very sheltered life and a good up bringing with no abuse.

I'm not certain if she is mentally ill, but spoiled freaken rotten is definitely a diagnosis I am qualified to give out. I think she is a troll and likes to stir shit up to make other people miserable.

But the fact is, that rules are rules no matter if they are trivial. One has to look past themselves, and look at the whole community once in awhile. Even people who are not labeled mentally ill, mainly because they won't go to a psychiatrist and get a diagnosis, just can't seem to stop trolling. It sucks too, because innocent people (like spouses) get baited and trapped in their bullshit.

If a person follows the rules that society or a community sets, you can almost bet they are here for the right reasons and the same goes for in the real world too.

Tammy

 

[goingonhope]

I'll speak upon something that can hold a very heavy affect upon people. It's called creating problems where there are none.

I still remember months back, maybe more, when one person (of many others before and those then still doing likewise in their diaries) ...yet still, one specific memorable sufferer within our community who was suffering and had openly and visibly, suffered much more to put into words and give a voice to his/her excruciating trauma and pain.

Well meanwhile, I observed that simultaneous with his/her onslaught of symptoms, pain and suffering and need for support, .........the members of the forum's attention was also seriously drawn toward some arguementative, controversial, strongly opinionated thread that only seemed to cause more stress and problems for the many who read and/or responded there;

I may be wrong in thinking that this thread was locked, but if memory serves me it was, and likely due to it's direction, nature and it's inability to contribute much of anything, that we don't already know,


.....suggesting here, that yes we all know how to gripe,
argue :crazy:and fight. :crazy:


What we may not know how to do so well, is to be there for ourselves, present in our own healing and present in our lives for family, while still craving and desiring to be there for countless cyber-friends we haven't met yet (in this cyber world), that share in common the same:

trauma,
suffering,
ptsd resulting,
symptoms,
need for personal initiative in personal healing,
and a willingness to be supportive of, helpful toward and of service to other countless ptsd & carers who suffer and dare to live and heal;

When and if we can.

There is a wonderful suggestion of words I've heard before, that I'm now directing toward the Ptsd sufferer and/or carer. It is:

If you can't help another sufferer/carer, well then at least don't hurt them.

It's like we don't all have enough problems already, so let's create more.

goingon.....sick'n'tired